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what was that threadLast time I was encouraged to share a really awful story on here I was reluctant to, everyone was so horrified it got no replies and killed the thread
what was that thread
Good question! Can't remember now - the post was about the JFK headwound anecdote/myth, though.
This body may finally be named and claimed.
A Thai family believe a woman who is thought to have been murdered and then dumped in a mountain stream in England is their missing relative.
The body was found by walkers wrapped around rocks near Pen-y-ghent in the Yorkshire Dales in 2004. Her identity has never been established by North Yorkshire Police but officers think she was a murdered "Thai bride". A press conference in north-east Thailand heard a family had come forward about a missing relative. The Udon Thani Provincial Justice Office was told the woman, who the BBC is not naming for legal reasons, married a British man in 1991 and moved to the north-west of England four years later. Her mother told the Thai Women's Network (TWN), which organised Thursday's press conference, she had not heard from her daughter since 2004.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-46994879
Very sad conclusion to that unidentified girl in Hartford's Circus Fire
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-24/ ... cus-fire/2
2 victims of 1944 circus fire exhumed in ID attempt
Authorities exhumed the bodies Monday of two victims of the 1944 Hartford circus fire in the hopes of determining whether one of them is a woman who is among five people still listed as missing after the tragedy.
The exhumations at Northwood Cemetery in Windsor, Connecticut, occurred about 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the site of the big top fire that killed 168 people and injured 682 others.
Forensic experts at the Connecticut chief medical examiner’s office will try to determine whether one of the two unidentified women was 47-year-old Grace Fifield, of Newport, Vermont, who was never seen again after attending the Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus on July 6, 1944. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.apnews.com/4745250e8d3e47d496413e088e9af529Skeleton unearthed beneath California peak
The climbers were closing in on the top of California’s second-highest peak when they came upon the grisly discovery of what looked like a bone buried in a boulder field.
Closer inspection revealed a fractured human skull. Tyler Hofer and his climbing partner moved rocks aside and discovered an entire skeleton. It appeared to have been there long enough that all that remained were bones, a pair of leather shoes and a belt.
The discovery a week ago beneath Mount Williamson unearthed a mystery: Who was the unfortunate hiker? How did he or she die? Was the person alone? Were they ever reported injured, dead or missing?
The Inyo County Sheriff’s Department doesn’t have any of those answers yet. But it retrieved the remains Wednesday in the hopes of finding the identity and what happened. There’s no evidence to suggest foul play, spokeswoman Carma Roper said.
“This is a huge mystery for us,” Roper said.
The body was discovered Oct. 7 near a lake in the remote rock-filled bowl between the towering peaks of Mount Tyndall and Williamson, which rises to 14,374 feet (4,381 meters). The behemoth of a mountain looms large over the Owens Valley below and overshadows the former World War II Japanese internment camp at Manzanar.
Hofer and a friend had gone slightly off the trail-less route as they picked their way through boulders when they stumbled upon the shocking find.
“The average person who was hiking to Williamson wouldn’t have gone the route we went because we were a little bit lost, a little bit off course,” Hofer told The Associated Press. “So it made sense that nobody would have stumbled across the body.”
Hofer phoned from the summit to report the finding and went to the sheriff’s department the next day after hiking out to speak with investigators.
Sgt. Nate Derr, who coordinates the county’s search and rescue team, said bodies found in the mountains are typically connected with someone they know who has gone missing. The opposite is rarer: finding the remains of someone who appears to not have gone missing or been reported as missing.
They plan to use DNA to try to identify the remains.
Because the body was so decomposed, investigators believe it’s possibly been there for decades. ...
Investigators have gone back through decades of reports of people missing in the Inyo National Forest and come up empty, Derr said. Neighboring Sequoia and Kings Canyon national parks also don’t have reports of anyone missing in that area, he said.
Bodies of those who go missing in the mountains are discovered from time to time, but it can take years and even decades.
It took five years — after an exhaustive search was called off — before a trail worker discovered the body of Randy Morgenson, a Kings Canyon National Park ranger who vanished in 1996. A World War II airman whose plane had crashed near Mount Mendel on a training flight in 1942 wasn’t found until 2005 when a receding glacier gave up his body.
Hofer, a church pastor in San Diego, said it appeared to him the body was intentionally buried. The skeleton was laid out on its back with the arms crossed over the chest.
“It wasn’t in a position of distress or curled up,” Hofer said. “It was definitely a burial because it was very strategically covered with rocks.”
The death could have occurred in the days before helicopters were used to fly out bodies, Derr said. It’s possible that the person perished on the mountain and was buried by a climbing partner.
“I can’t say whether it’s intentional or not, but it’s not an area that would be prone to rockfall,” Derr said.
Although the mountain is the state’s second-highest, it’s not summited as frequently as other high Sierra peaks because it is a forbidding approach. The elevation gain from the trailhead in the high desert to the summit is the greatest of any peak in California. ...
Hofer posted about his finding on a mountaineers forum on Facebook that sparked speculation about the death, in part because Hofer described the shoes as the type worn by rock climbers.
That seemed unusual because the area is not well known for rock climbing. And, because most climbers work in pairs, it raised questions about what had happened to any partner or whether the death had been reported. ...
Hope they find who they are, be peace of mind to their relatives.
FULL STORY: https://www.apnews.com/0641394f21a1454c865a51ccf05554cdSkeleton may be Japanese American from internment camp
In the closing days of World War II, a Japanese American set out with other men from the infamous internment camp at Manzanar on a trip to the mountains, where he went off on his own to paint a watercolor and got caught in a freak summer snowstorm.
A hiker found Giichi Matsumura’s body weeks later, and he was laid to rest in a spot marked only by a small pile of granite slabs.
Over the years, as the little-known story faded along with memories, the location of Matsumura’s remote burial place was lost to time, and he became a sort of ghost of Manzanar, the subject of searches, rumors and legends.
Now, 74 years later, his skeleton may have finally been found.
The Inyo County sheriff’s office told The Associated Press it is investigating the possibility that a set of bleached bones discovered earlier this month in the rugged Sierra Nevada is Matsumura’s. ...
Update ... Authorities may know the identity of the remains ...
FULL STORY: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50993884'The ghost of Manzanar': Japanese WW2 internee's body found in US
A skeleton found in California last October has been identified as a Japanese-American artist who was held in a World War Two internment camp.
Giichi Matsumura had gone on a hike with fellow internees from the Manzanar internment camp for people of Japanese ancestry when he died in August 1945.
He left the group to paint the scene in solitude when a freak storm hit.
Mr Matsumura was given a sparse burial in the mountains, and details of his death were eventually lost to time.
But last year, he was rediscovered. ...
Officers carried out DNA testing on the skeleton, using a sample provided by Mr Matsumura's granddaughter Lori.
Lori Matsumura told Associated Press that she knew her grandfather's remains were in the mountains somewhere, because her grandmother would show her a photo of the pile of stones that covered his body.
Her aunt, Kazue, also told her he was known as "the ghost of Manzanar".
A man fell to his death while taking pictures on a cliff in Arizona. Authorities discovered other remains while recovering his body
A 25-year-old man died on Sunday after falling off a cliff at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area in Arizona, the National Park Service (NPS) said.
While authorities were recovering the man's body, they also discovered human remains unrelated to the victim's fatal fall, according to a press release from NPS.
Witnesses told NPS that the man -- identified as Orlando Serrano-Arzola -- was taking pictures at Glen Canyon Dam Overlook on Sunday morning.
He was on top of the rim overlooking the Colorado River when he fell around 100 feet down and then slid roughly 150 feet further, witnesses said.
"The victim suffered severe trauma and showed no signs of life after the fall," NPS said in its news release.
The Coconino County Sheriff's Office and officers with the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area discovered bones at the base of the Glen Canyon Dam Overlook while recovering Serrano-Arzola's body, NPS said. Those bones have since been identified as human remains.
Police and the park service are conducting an investigation into the remains and said they will release more information on the case when it is available.
One would have thought that with the advent of DNA testing it would not be that hard to track someone down, with so many people submitting to DNA databases
Not mentioned before in this thread, there was an ID finally made in 2018 for a young man whose body was found under the assumed name of 'Lyle Stevik' in a motel in Washington state in 2001. ...
Even with lots of people submitting DNA to genealogy sites the cumulative data (to date) represents only a small / fractional sample of all human genomes.
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It’s been over a month since Othram started looking through the GEDmatch database. It won’t say anything about what it has found, and the Collier County Sheriff’s Office is keeping quiet as well. But one source outside of the company who is familiar with its progress says that, while Othram doesn’t know Mostly Harmless’ name, it has found enough matching patterns to identify the region of the country from which his ancestors hail.
They might get there, and they might not. A source familiar with the work suggests that the earliest we’ll get an answer is December.
https://www.wired.com/story/nameless-hiker-mostly-harmless-internet-mystery/
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