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BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary): Sightings & Apparitions

BVM: "I am the Immaculate Conception!"

Church: "Oi! Put that bleeding light out!"

BVM: "That's no way to treat Our Lady!" :(
 
I guess this could fit in a number of different threads but this one seems the most, er, convenient.

For centuries, religious believers have endured suffering with impressive fortitude.

Now scientists claim to have discovered that faith in God really can relieve pain.

New research at Oxford University has found that the Christian martyrs may well have been able to draw on their religion to reduce the agony of, for example, being burnt at the stake. In a bizarre experiment, academics at The Oxford Centre For Science Of The Mind tortured 12 Roman Catholics and 12 atheists with electric shocks as they studied a painting of the Virgin Mary.

They found that the Catholics seemed to be able to block out much of the pain.

And, using the latest brain-scanning techniques, they also discovered that the Catholics were able to activate part of the brain associated with conditioning the experience of pain.

The findings were welcomed by the Anglican Bishop of Durham, the Rt Rev Tom Wright, who said: The practice of faith should, and in many cases does, alter the person you are. It can affect the patterns of your brain and your emotions. So it comes as no surprise to me that this experiment has reached such conclusions. The experiment is one of a series being conducted by the academics, a group of scientists, philosophers and theologians from different departments at the university.

A sparking device was strapped to the back of the participants left hands to deliver an electric shock.

The scientists then asked them to contemplate two paintings, Sassoferratos 17th Century Virgin Annunciate (Virgin Mary) and Leonardo da Vincis 15th Century Lady With An Ermine.

The researchers hoped that the face of the Virgin Mary would induce a religious state of mind in the believers, while da Vincis painting was chosen because it did not look dissimilar and would be calming.

The volunteers were not told the true purpose of the experiment, only that it was designed to judge how people felt pain while contemplating pictures of different things.

They spent half an hour inside an MRI scanner, receiving a series of 20 electric shocks in four separate sessions while looking at either the religious or non-religious picture.

Each time, the volunteer had to rate how much it hurt on a scale of 0 to 100.

The Catholics said that looking at the painting of the Virgin Mary made them feel safe, taken care of and calmed down and peaceful. More significantly, they reported feeling 12 per cent less pain after viewing the religious image than after looking at the Leonardo.

The front right-hand side of their brains lit up on the scanner, indicating that the neural mechanisms of pain modulation had been engaged.

There was no such brain activity among the atheists, whose pain and anxiety levels stayed roughly the same throughout the experiment.

Writing in the scientific journal Pain, the researchers concluded that at least some religious believers can moderate their pain by thinking about it more positively.

Psychologist Miguel Farias, one of the team, admitted that a similar effect may be produced by non-believers if a sufficiently powerful image was used. He said: We would need to find a picture of someone they feel very positive towards, such as a mother or father.

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Catholics ordered to keep quiet over Virgin visions
By Jerome Taylor and Simon Caldwell
Tuesday, 13 January 2009

Catholics who claim they have seen the Virgin Mary will be forced to remain silent about the apparitions until a team of psychologists, theologians, priests and exorcists have fully investigated their claims under new Vatican guidelines aimed at stamping out false claims of miracles.

The Pope has instructed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly the Holy Office of the Inquisition, to draw up a new handbook to help bishops snuff out an explosion of bogus heavenly apparitions.

Benedict XVI plans to update the Vatican's current rules on investigating apparitions to help distinguish between true and false claims of visions of Jesus and the Virgin Mary, messages, stigmata (the appearances of the five wounds of Christ), weeping and bleeding statues and Eucharistic miracles.

Monsignor Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, a respected Spanish Jesuit archbishop, has been placed in charge of drawing up the handbook, known as a "vademecum", which will update the current rules set in 1978.

According to Petrus, an Italian online magazine which leans towards conservative elements in the Vatican, anyone who claims to have seen an apparition will only be believed as long as they remain silent and do not court publicity over their claims. If they refuse to obey, this will be taken as a sign that their claims are false.

The visionaries will then be visited by a team of psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics, to certify their mental health while theologians will assess the content of any heavenly messages to see if they contravene Church teachings.

If the visionary is considered credible they will ultimately be questioned by one or more demonologists and exorcists to exclude the possibility that Satan is hiding behind the apparitions in order to deceive the faithful.

Guidelines for the approval of apparitions and revelations were last issued in 1978. They lay down that a diocesan bishop can "either on his own initiative or at the request of the faithful" choose to investigate an alleged apparition. He then submits a report to the Vatican for approval.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 32016.html

This could prove to be a thread-killer! 8)
 
No worship on 'Virgin Mary' hill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7859363.stm
By Prime Ndikumagenge
BBC News, Bujumbura

Worshippers claim only those with a "special gift" see the apparition

Worship has been banned on a small rural hill in Burundi, where a woman claims to see the Virgin Mary on the same day of every month.

The 23-year-old's claims of an apparition have become so widely known that thousands of people gather on the hill at the same time to pray.

But the governor of the northern province says the worshippers are troublemakers and they should stop.

The Catholic church in the area is also investigating the claims of a "vision".

The woman in question is called Euzebie and comes from a rural village known as Masinde, in the province of Kayanza.

Sing and cry

She claims to see the Virgin Mary on the 11th day of each month.

Provincial governor Edouard Nduwimana says people come from all over the country, as well as nearby Rwanda and Uganda, to join Euzebie on the hill.

The archibishop of the northern diocese has formally advised worshippers to stop going to see Euzebie while the church investigates

Edouard Nduwimana
Provincial governor

He says they stay for three nights each month, from the 11th to the 13th, during which time they pray, bang drums, sing and cry.

"Among the growing controversy surrounding the Euzebie saga, the archibishop of the northern diocese has formally advised worshippers to stop going to see Euzebie while the church investigates to confirm whether or not she has been seeing the Virgin Mary," said Mr Nduwimana, who also comes from Masinde village.

Police are to start patrolling the hill in case the request is not met.

According to followers of Euzebie, she began to see and talk to the Virgin Mary when she was four years old.

Regina Pacis regularly travels for about an hour from another province in the north to see Euzebie.

She claims she hears the voice of the Virgin Mary when she talks to Euzebie. But she says only a few people, with what she calls "a special gift", can also see her.

Repenting sins

Mubiligi is a senior magistrate in the capital Bujumbura. He started to worship with Euzebie last May.

He claims he once saw a "miracle" when communal bread fell from the sky into the hand of Euzebie.

Both say the message from the Virgin Mary focuses on repenting sins and loving one another.

In a written message, the Archbishop of Kayanza, Monsignor Gervais Banshimiyubusa, said that in a country emerging from war, it was normal that people were attracted to a place where they believed they could receive relief for their suffering and mercy for their sins
 
Big Bill Robins~ said:
Those silly Catholics ought to read their Bibles and think about what it says. Time and again the Bible warns against worshipping graven images. Time and again the Catholics turn up and bow down to statues, icons, and stuff. A Christian should be worshipping God, not an image of Mary the Virgin. Anyway God will judge them - it's not for me to judge.

Bill Robinson

Bill. Dont be so silly Billy, Catholics dont WORSHIP statues, they serve as a reminder of those long dead personages whom they VENERATE and direct their prayers to GOD through.
 
Re: Knock

KeyserXSoze (in 2004) said:
http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story.asp?j=21376
A century later and crowds are still gathering at Knock
By: Marian Harrison

As Knock celebrates the 125thanniversary of its famous apparition, Marian Harrison investigates what brings one and half million pilgrims to the East Mayo village each year.

Knock shrine pilgrims suffering eye damage after 'apparition'
Pilgrims at the renowned religious site, the Knock shrine in the west of Ireland, have suffered eye damage, after staring at the sun in the hope of seeing apparitions.
Published: 7:30AM GMT 03 Dec 2009

Thousands of people flocked to pray at the shrine in Co Mayo in October, where they claimed to see the sun shimmering and dancing in the sky.

But University College Hospital Galway said it has seen five cases of the damaging eye condition solar retinopathy this year, with four directly linked to people gazing at the sun.

Dr Eamonn O'Donoghue, consultant ophthalmologist surgeon at UCHG, said the hospital would normally see just one case a year on average.

"All of these people were under the impression they would see a strange phenomenon if they looked at the sun and it is associated with events at Knock," Dr O'Donoghue said.

"It is a shame to see Knock being misused this way."

Knock, where the Virgin Mary, St Joseph and St John the Evangelist are said to have appeared in August 1879, has been a place of pilgrimage ever since.

It is one of a series of sites in Ireland attracting hundreds of pilgrims over the last year in the hope of seeing an apparition.

Locals in Rathkeale village, Co Limerick, held prayer vigils in a churchyard after a tree was cut down and some people claimed to be able to see an image of the Virgin Mary on the stump.

Others have gathered at sites in Donegal and claimed to have seen holy statues weeping.

People suffering from solar retinopathy have had the tissue at centre of their retina, known as the macular, effectively burned.

"If you get a burn to the macular you are going to see bizarre phenomena," the doctor said.

''This is a tissue of very limited capacity for self-repair.''

Normal vision could return after a few weeks for mild damage, but severe solar retinopathy will permanently damage a person's vision.

Thousands of people turned up at Knock on two occasions in October hoping to see a visitation from the Virgin Mary.

It had been predicted by Dublin man Joe Coleman, a self-proclaimed spiritual healer.

Mr Coleman, who has predicted another vision in Knock this Saturday, was not available for comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... o-sun.html
 
Virgin Mary icon 'crying tears of oil' in France
An image of the Virgin Mary has been crying tears of oil, its owner has claimed, in a story that has drawn hundreds of visitors to the man's home in France.
Published: 7:00AM GMT 08 Mar 2010

Esat Altindagoglu has been inundated with more than 50 visitors a day hoping to see the "miracle" at his house near Paris.

The one-foot high painting was given to his wife Sevin by a Lebanese priest on her birthday in 2006, the Turkish-born salesman said.

It began weeping oil on February 12 this year, and had been "crying" every day since, he claimed.

He said: "As word spread, people started arriving from France, then from all over Europe.

"I've been having between 50 and 60 people a day turning up for more than three weeks now."

An Orthodox priest had now agreed to say mass at his home in Garges-les-Gonesse this week to thank the Virgin Mary, Mr Altindagoglu said.

He added: "Apparently the next step is to have to weeping witnessed by a bishop so the miracle can be officially recognised by the church."

Over the centuries there have been hundreds of incidents of statues said to have wept blood, oil or water.

But the only one ever approved as a miracle by the Pope was Our Lady of Akita in Japan, in 1973, with all the others ruled out as hoaxes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... rance.html
 
The BVM also saw action during Irelands War of Independence. Not sure if she got a medal or pension. This article is from History Ireland, lots of free articles. Only the newest 6 issues are pay per view. You just need to register.

The Templemore miracles
http://www.historyireland.com/volumes/v ... ?id=113764

Templemore

Above: The improvised altar that had been erected in a yard beside Dwan’s shop, Templemore, 22 August 1920. (National Photographic Archive)

On the night of 16 August 1920 ‘wild scenes were witnessed’ in Temple-more as the North-amptonshire Regiment carried out reprisals following the killing of RIC District Inspector Wilson by the IRA. According to a local press report, ‘soldiers joined in the outbreak . . . volleys were fired, houses attacked, shops looted, the town hall was burned down, and three creameries destroyed’. (Ironically, two members of the regiment, Captain S. H. Beattie MC and Lance Corporal H. J. Fuggle, were to lose their lives in the fire.)

‘Our Lady had saved Templemore’

Immediately after these deaths, reports of ‘supernatural manifestations, accompanied by cures’, in Templemore and also in the townland of Curraheen, near the village of Gortagarry, appeared in local and national newspapers. It was alleged that religious statues at several premises, including the RIC barracks in Templemore, were shedding tears of blood. It was reported that local farm labourer James Walsh was experiencing Marian apparitions, and that a ‘holy well’ had appeared in his bedroom floor. The Tipperary Star reported that ‘after the outburst on Monday night some of the statues from which blood had been oozing were taken by Walsh to Templemore, and it is believed that it was this that saved the town from destruction’. The Limerick Leader reported that ‘prominent townsmen assembled around the bleeding statues and offered prayers aloud, thanking God that the town was saved on Monday night, and that none of the inoffensive people of Templemore suffered any casualties’. Some believed that divine intervention had prevented the town from being completely destroyed in revenge for the death of DI Wilson, and that ‘Our Lady had saved Templemore’.

On 31 August 1920, RIC County Inspector Dunlop reported to Dublin Castle:

‘On 20th inst. miraculous apparitions are alleged to have appeared in Templemore and Curraheen. Sacred statues belonging to a man named Walsh and a constable Wimsey stationed at Templemore are alleged to have begun to bleed, and several miraculous cures are said to have taken place.’

By 4 September Dunlop estimated that more than 15,000 persons per day were making the pilgrimage to Templemore and onwards to Curraheen. Dunlop removed the statue from the barracks and placed it with other statues on an improvised altar that had been erected in a yard beside Dwan’s shop. This followed an incident during which the barracks was besieged by a large crowd of pilgrims anxious to see the bleeding statue. People entered the barracks and had to be forcibly removed by the RIC. Wimsey left the police shortly afterwards, reportedly to ‘join a religious order’. Dunlop told Dublin Castle that the alleged miracles were having a positive effect on the locality, describing the conduct of the large crowds as ‘exemplary’. Templemore was referred to as ‘Pilgrimville’ or ‘Pilgrimstown’ by newspapers, and to cater for the thousands of pilgrims categorised by newspapers as ‘the halt, the maim and the blind’, additional trains originating from Kingsbridge station in Dublin were added to the normal schedule. Revd Collier, a correspondent for the Catholic Times, visited Templemore and estimated that 6,000 to 8,000 people were at Dwan’s, many of them having been there overnight. He saw four statues, each with blood trickling down the face, neck, breasts and body.

Miraculous cures claimed

As reports of the apparitions and miracles spread, the number of pilgrims increased. Many people claimed to have been healed either by direct contact with Walsh or by exposure to the bleeding statues or crucifix. Some visitors were not convinced, however, and one journalist wrote that he came ‘to see a miracle and saw one. It was not a miracle of bleeding statues but of pathetic belief.’ The Limerick Leader reported the case of former soldier Martin Monahan, the first person claiming to have been cured by Walsh. Monahan had spent three years in the military hospital at Richmond Barracks with shrapnel injuries. He claimed to have entered Dwan’s yard on crutches but left ‘with full use of his limbs’ after Walsh had touched his legs with one of the statues. Other well-publicised cases included those of a Miss Guerin and a Mr Gavin of Limerick, who were reportedly cured of ‘paralysis’ and ‘acute hip disease’ respectively.

The official position of the Catholic Church was one of ‘extreme reserve’, and at the height of the religious fervour that surrounded the miracles Bishop Fogarty of Limerick warned Mass-goers that ‘they should restrain their judgement and not allow themselves to be carried away by excitement or popular rumour’. The parish priest of Templemore, Revd Kiely, refused to visit the statues, expressing the opinion that great caution needed to be exercised. Walsh travelled to other towns in the company of clergy, visiting Mount Mellary and Cashel, where he stayed as the guest of Monsignor Innocent Ryan. The Irish Times reported that statues and a crucifix in the presbytery in Cashel had begun to bleed when touched by Walsh, and as the news spread ‘a piteous and clamorous crowd of invalids’ arrived at the presbytery and requested that they be allowed to see and touch the statues that were on display outside the building. Monsignor Ryan wrote to the Irish Times in an attempt to stem the flow of pilgrims and to prevent events similar to those occurring at Templemore and Curraheen also taking place in Cashel.

IRA gets involved

Reporting the miracles to IRA GHQ, Vice-Commandant Edward McGrath stated that the town was packed with ‘pilgrims, beggars, stall-holders and undesirables. The police and military had disappeared off the streets and the IRA had taken over. They controlled traffic, introduced parking and restored order.’ The IRA acted as stewards and marshals but did not appear on the streets in uniform. They took advantage of the absence of the military and police from the streets to reconnoitre suitable locations for ambushes, and local IRA commander Jimmy Leahy imposed a levy of 2/6d per day on all cars bringing pilgrims from Templemore to Curraheen. Ostensibly the levy was imposed to pay for repairs to local roads that had been damaged by the throngs of pilgrims, and to pay the expenses of IRA men involved in traffic and crowd control duty. The imposition of the levy caused an outcry, and Count O’Byrne, Sinn Féin TD and chairman of North Tipperary County Council, met Leahy and pointed out that the levy was highly irregular. Leahy replied that ‘everything had to be irregular to deal with the situation that had arisen’. The count suggested that the council should take over the collection of the levy but Leahy refused, saying that he intended to buy arms and ammunition with any balance left over after deducting the Volunteers’ expenses. Pilgrims were reported to be loud in their praise of the ‘splendid men of Óglaigh na hÉireann’ who maintained order and prevented excessive profiteering by shopkeepers, caterers and hoteliers. Such activities were severely dealt with by the IRA, who imposed a scale of charges after ‘due enquiry, deliberation and consideration of the abnormal conditions prevailing’. Collection boxes for the IRA and Cumann na mBán were placed along the pilgrimage route and this provided a substantial windfall for the IRA, with a total of £1,500 contributed, which was subsequently delivered to the brigade quartermaster.

Several days after the miracles began, Leahy and other IRA officers interrogated Walsh. They had started to view the ‘whole business with incredulity’, and were also seriously concerned that Volunteer discipline was being compromised. Pilgrims had begun to lavishly tip the IRA men, with the result that some Volunteers, who had previously been abstemious and enthusiastic, ‘took to drink and began to forget that they were engaged in a life and death struggle for the country’s freedom’. Walsh told Leahy that when he had conversed with the Virgin Mary she had indicated her approval of guerrilla tactics, including the shooting of Black and Tans, and wished to see the campaign intensified. Leahy and the others found it difficult ‘to keep a straight face’ and concluded that Walsh was either ‘mentally abnormal or a hypocrite’. Leahy felt that the bizarre situation could not be allowed to continue, and also demanded that Walsh hand over some of the money that had been given to him by pilgrims. Walsh gave £75 to Leahy and this money was also passed to the quartermaster.

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Crowds milling about the entrance to Dwan’s yard, 22 August 1920. (National Photographic Archive)

Following this meeting, Leahy visited Canon Ryan in Thurles and requested that the apparitions be denounced from the pulpit, thereby deterring pilgrims from travelling to Templemore. Canon Ryan did not comply. Leahy also contacted Michael Collins to express his concern about the detrimental effect the situation was having on IRA operations. Collins ordered Dan Breen to contact ‘the fellow who operates the bleeding statue’ and interview him, to which Breen reluctantly agreed. Walsh was taken to Dublin and interrogated by Breen, while Collins waited in the next room. Breen reported back to Collins that Walsh ‘was a fake’, or possibly even a spy, and his opinion that the apparitions and miracles were not genuine. Collins sarcastically replied, ‘One can’t take any notice of what you say, Breen, because you have no religion’. Phil Shanahan, who owned a pub in Dublin frequented by IRA members, was asked by Breen to drive the visionary to Templemore, and that was the last Breen saw of the ‘failure Walsh’. On his return, Shanahan offered Breen water from the holy well at Curraheen to drink, but Breen declined the offer. Having been rebuffed by Canon Ryan and the Catholic Church, the IRA decided to resume the war in any case. On 29 September 1920 the IRA attacked a group of RIC men near Goldings Cross RIC barracks, which was on the pilgrimage route between Templemore and Curraheen. Constables Noonan and Flood were killed and two others wounded. After the ambush, a group of pilgrims were stopped by the IRA and forced to complete their journey with the ‘dead bodies of the two policemen thrown across their knees in the car’.

As the IRA had intended, the ambush brought a substantial number of military and police reinforcements to the area, who engaged in a ‘reign of terror by indulging in indiscriminate firing into houses and across fields’. The Northamptonshire Regiment went to the holy well at Curraheen and Dwan’s yard in Templemore, where they removed crutches and other items left behind by pilgrims. Some soldiers decorated themselves with religious artefacts, while others feigned lameness and began using the crutches, parading the streets in mockery of the miracles. Rumours spread like wildfire that Templemore would be burned to the ground as a reprisal for the ambush, and pilgrims, stall-holders and tramps all made a hasty exit. Within 24 hours the town had returned to normality.

Michael Collins sent a courier to Tipperary to acquire one of the bleeding statues. Collins had received information from the local Catholic clergy that IRA Volunteers had engineered statues that would bleed at specific times. The internal mechanism of an alarm clock had been concealed inside the statue, connected to fountain pen inserts containing a mixture of sheep’s blood and water. When the clock mechanism struck at certain times it would send a spurt of blood through the statue, giving the impression that it was bleeding. According to an eye-witness, Collins

‘. . . took hold of the statue and banged it off the side of the desk, and of course out fell the works of the alarm clock. “I knew it”, he says. So that was the end of the bleeding statue.’

Shortly afterwards, local people heard that James Walsh had left for Australia. In 1947 he was granted Australian citizenship while living in Stawell, Victoria. HI

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Michael Collins—ordered Dan Breen to contact ‘the fellow who operates the bleeding statue’ and interview him. (Chrissy Osborne, Michael Collins: a life in pictures (Mercier Press). See ‘Bookworm’, p. 54.)

Sergeant John Reynolds is attached to the Garda Síochána College, Templemore, and established its museum in 2002.

Further reading:

R. Abbott, Police casualties in Ireland 1919–1922 (Dublin, 2000).

K. Griffith and T. O’Grady, Curious journey: an oral history of Ireland’s unfinished revolution (Dublin, 1998).

J. Nickel, Looking for a miracle: weeping icons, relics, stigmata, visions and healing cures (New York, 1993).
 
Fatima debate: Some say 'third secret' is still secret

By John Thavis
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Ten years after the Vatican divulged one of the church's best-kept secrets -- the third part of the message of Fatima -- a small band of skeptics and critics are still questioning the official explanation.

More than 100 of them gathered at a hotel not far from the Vatican in early May for a weeklong conference on such topics as "Fatima and the Global Economic Crisis," "The Present Need for the Consecration of Russia" and "Is There a Missing Text of the Third Secret?"

For those in attendance, the answer to that last question is a no-brainer.

"The evidence points to only one conclusion: that something has to be missing," said Christopher A. Ferrara, a U.S. attorney and Catholic commentator who spoke at the conference.

Ferrara pointed to what he described as a series of incongruities and inconsistencies in the Vatican's version. Among people truly familiar with the events at Fatima, he said, only a minority "cling steadfastly to the notion that an ambiguous vision of a bishop dressed in white outside a half-ruined city is all there is to the third secret."

That's the heart of the question for people in the "Fatima Challenge" movement. They argue that the third secret of Fatima was a prophecy so traumatic and dire that several popes decided not to make it known to the faithful, and yet the text published in 2000 contained little more than an allegory about the church's past struggles with 20th-century ideologies.

They say there's good reason to believe the third secret wasn't just about the church battling outside forces, but about Satan working in the church -- at the highest levels. Some have deduced that the secret foresaw the changes of the Second Vatican Council, especially in liturgy and ecumenical dialogue, as part of the "great apostasy" which church leaders refuse to acknowledge.

Most recently, several of these "diehard Fatimists" -- as a Vatican official once described them -- have suggested that the priestly sex abuse crisis in the church is a clear sign of the crisis of faith and pastoral negligence prophesied, they say, by Mary at Fatima.

The conference took place a few days before Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Fatima, and organizers went out of their way to invite the pope and Vatican officials. None showed up. The pope's Vatican aides consider the "Fatimists" a fringe element that is best ignored.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, has said one of the reasons the third secret was made public in 2000 was that people were spreading "absurd theses" about catastrophic events or heresy at the top levels of the church.

Cardinal Bertone, who was personally involved in the publication of the third secret, said he was puzzled that some still think the Vatican is hiding something. In 2006, an Italian journalist wrote a book titled "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" that laid out a Vatican conspiracy theory, prompting a new round of publicity.

In 2007, Cardinal Bertone wrote his own book, "The Last Visionary of Fatima," which reiterated the official version of the Fatima messages and secrets and was based, he said, on long conversations with Carmelite Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last of the visionaries to die. In TV appearances, the cardinal strongly denied theories of a Vatican cover-up.

Pope Benedict was also personally involved in publishing the third secret. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican's top doctrinal official, he presented the text of the secret to the press and wrote a lengthy commentary about it.

That news conference on June 26, 2000, is still memorable for Vatican journalists. The stage was set for disclosure of a text that for decades was thought to be too disturbing to reveal. But instead, Cardinal Ratzinger began by deflating expectations and announcing that there was nothing apocalyptic.

"No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled," he said. He went on to give a theological framework to the apparitions and messages of Fatima, insisting that in the church's tradition, "prophecy" is not like a "film preview," but more like offering signs that can be useful for Christians.


Cardinal Ratzinger said that was how to understand the third secret's vision of a "bishop in white" who struggles up a hill amid corpses of slain martyrs, and then falls dead after being shot by soldiers. Whether this bishop symbolized Pope John Paul II, who was shot and wounded on May 13, 1981, or a "convergence" of several 20th-century pontiffs who helped the church ward off the dangers, it doesn't mean someone must be killed, the cardinal said.

That explanation still sticks in the craw of "Fatimists," who say it deliberately removes the vision's apocalyptic scenario and lulls the faithful into a false sense of security. The Vatican's version, they say, suggests these problems are behind the church, when in their view the worst is yet to come.

Father Nicholas Gruner, a Canadian priest who founded "The Fatima Crusader" magazine, has long maintained that Russia has yet to be consecrated to Mary in accordance with the instructions of Our Lady of Fatima.

"We haven't had the conversion of Russia by any stretch of the imagination -- not militarily, not morally. It's the largest abortion capital of the world.... There's just no sign of conversion in any sense," Father Gruner said in Rome May 6.

That's another issue the Vatican is tired of dealing with. Church officials say Pope John Paul II in 1984 led the world's bishops in the consecration of Russia and the world. The late Sister Lucia, one of the three Portuguese children who saw Mary in 1917 and the one who received the instructions for the consecration, had said that it was properly performed.

The Fatima messages are not dogma, and the church does not impose belief or any single interpretation. That seems to ensure that the "Fatimists" will continue to broadcast their theories to whoever will listen.

Source: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/storie ... 001924.htm
 
I read 2 books on Marion Apparitions. One was pretty fair and straightforward, one was creepy (and recommended by a mentally-ill woman who was loitering in a religious book store - so, of course, I couldn't resist.)

The creepy one was pretty dire. It listed BVM sightings and came to the conclusion that Mary was warning us to repent or risk the world ending. And if the world did end, only those burning blessed candles would be spared. I sat there and wondered how many blessed candles I would have to buy, and burn, in order to keep my house safe 24/7 for the rest of my life. I suspect the author has strong ties to the religious candle industry. But it was a pretty good book if you like to be creeped out. I wish I could remember the name. It could have been any of these: http://www.marianland.com/queenship/marian_apparitions.html Maybe The Coming Chastisement?

The other book was really good. It listed the standards, and some not so well known, with good follow-up research on each. For example, there was an incident from the 1800's in a rural Irish village. A young girl claimed to have seen the BVM and even had a scarf to prove it. It was accepted as a local miracle. It turns out that a well dressed young woman (wearing blue) was visiting relatives there and met the young girl on a walk. It was all very embarrassing for her, and when confronted with the reality of the situation, the girl refused to believe that her BVM sighting was of a real woman. Again, I don't remember the name and I gave it away with the one above. Too bad, I'd like to recommend it.

What shocked me most was discovering the apocalyptic cult around Marion apparitions. That's not to say that all people who believe in Marion apparitions are cultists, but some people really buy into the dire prophecies as you can see from the link above.

So remember, buy those blessed candles! And matches - don't forget the matches, for heavens sake. And don't burn them near the drapes. That would be apocalyptic.
 
That's a bit strange about the candles though.

I had a very Catholic upbringing, and we were always told to light a candle in church (under the Maria shrine, natch) was like saying a prayer for someone.

I rarely go to a church these days, but when I do, I light a candle, sort of out of habit.

That whole thing linking the BVM with a coming apocalypse only started with Fatima and that third "secret" I think.
 
Yes, Zilch, I think you're right about Fatima being the template for that sort of BVM sighting.

I'm Catholic as well, and feel that lighting a candle for someone at the shrine is a very peaceful ritual. Going through the motion seems to make the well-wishing more meaningful. And, it's comforting that your candle joins the candles of other well-wishers. It's a symbol of love and community, whatever we personally believe about the efficacy of candle lighting itself.

In the book, I got this image of people huddling in their homes, lighting a candle to save their own skins. I know that all apocalyptic movements base their success on vivid images of selfish survival scenarios. You can only save yourself! Hide in your basement with your canned goods and your guns! It was weird to find that the Catholic version was to take those lovely little community candles and make them a survival staple.
 
A miracle in Ohio... or just a trick of the light? Mystery of library's 'crying' statue of Virgin Mary
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:39 AM on 3rd February 2011

A small statue of the Virgin Mary is crying tears, claim a number of visitors to a small, non-descript building in Reading, Ohio.
Believers and non-believers alike have reported seeing the figurine, which lives in the back of a religious lending library, weep.
And footage filmed by WCPO TV at Our Lady Queen Of Reading station lends weight to the claim, as one teardrop is clearly visible on her cheek and another on her chin.

A woman called Doris, from Amberley village, who spoke to WCPO, said: 'I believe it's true. They were there. I saw them. I would imagine it's a miracle.'

One miracle is one thing, however, but there are also claims - which may fuel suspicion - that a statue of Jesus sitting at the top of the stairs is crying too.

Visitor Gayle Walker told WCPO: 'I heard about it on the radio and I didn't think much of it. Being here at work and we saw the line-up of people.
'Out of curiosity I went over and looked and its unbelievable. It's forming. The tear is there. It does not look like it's water or anything. It's real weird, very weird.'

Another, called Lois, from Reading, said: 'Well I have faith that it is. We can't always be sure, but I prayed to her and I feel better about it and I'm glad I came.'

As news spreads about the crying statues, the shop is finding itself under siege with more and more daily visitors, some not all that concerned about borrowing religious books and videos.
The owner of the shop said he was hoping to keep it a secret for fear an increase in visitors would stop the crying.

People began claiming to see the tears about a week ago, when a visionary visited the library.
Another person suggested that the water works started after a rosary, which belonged to Reverend James Willig, who died nearly a decade ago, was put in her hands.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1CsxjsEje

My question is, how do the locals in Reading, Ohio, pronounce their town's name? Is it the same as our Reading, in Berkshire? 8)
 
The reporter pronounces it "our" way, but it's not exactly a profession reknowned for accuracy.
 
Image of Virgin Mary spotted in Newquay cliff
A holidaymaker was stunned when she took a photograph of a craggy coastline and captured this spooky image - of the Virgin Mary.
11:09AM GMT 02 Mar 2011

The hooded figure is seen holding her arms out-stretched in a cradling action sheltered beneath rocks at Newquay's Western Beach, Cornwall.

Caroline and Stephen Gray were walking along the coastline when they stopped to pose for a series of holiday snaps.
But Caroline, 38, was speechless when the couple returned home and studied the digital camera to spot a clear image of the Virgin Mary, which she insists was not present when she took the picture.

And now the receptionist, from Chester, Cheshire, believes the photo could spark a rush of worshippers to flock to the coastal resort to catch a glimpse of the religious icon.
She said: ''There was nothing on the screen when I took the original photograph. Then when we got home the image of the Virgin Mary had appeared.
''There was absolutely nobody else on the beach at the time, which makes this all the more intriguing.
''It looks like a pregnant woman and she appears to be holding a lamp. It certainly looks like the Virgin Mary.
''I don't know if it would still be visible if you went there to see it, but I'm sure that won't stop people from trying.''

Caroline took the picture at around midday while enjoying a romantic stroll with hubby Stephen, 53, on Valentine's Day.

Mother-of-three Caroline said some of her friends had dismissed the image as a trick of the light, but she believes there could be more to it and she is now researching the history of the area.

She added: ''The place where this photo was taken was of the arch in the rocks on the left hand side of a large cave to the left of holiday flats on the front.
''When the photo was first taken it show just the archway and the rock surrounding it. Some people have suggested that it may be just a light reflection, but the sun was behind the rock face at the time and it would have filled the whole cave instead of just forming a perfect image.

''I would like people to shed some light on the history of that particular area. The image was definitely not a natural part of the rock formation as it was not visible at the time. I understand the nearby caves were used for smuggling.''

Thousands of people flocked to Limerick in Ireland in 2009 when an image of the Virgin Mary appeared on a tree stump.

An image of her religious figure also appeared on a toasted cheese sandwich, which sold on eBay for 28,000 US dollars.

Milton Hospital, near Boston in the US, asked the Catholic Church for help in 2003 after being swamped by more than 25,000 people seeking to view what they believed was an image of the Virgin Mary in a third-floor window.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... cliff.html

Great stuff! I must get up there and see if I can find the place...

Coastline, photos, apparitions - just my scene!
8)
 
A holidaymaker was stunned when she took a photograph of a craggy coastline and captured this spooky image - of the Virgin Mary.

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The hooded figure is seen holding her arms out-stretched in a cradling action sheltered beneath rocks at Newquay's Western Beach, Cornwall.

Caroline and Stephen Gray were walking along the coastline when they stopped to pose for a series of holiday snaps.

But Caroline, 38, was speechless when the couple returned home and studied the digital camera to spot a clear image of the Virgin Mary, which she insists was not present when she took the picture.

And now the receptionist, from Chester, Cheshire, believes the photo could spark a rush of worshippers to flock to the coastal resort to catch a glimpse of the religious icon.

She said: ''There was nothing on the screen when I took the original photograph. Then when we got home the image of the Virgin Mary had appeared.

''There was absolutely nobody else on the beach at the time, which makes this all the more intriguing.

''It looks like a pregnant woman and she appears to be holding a lamp. It certainly looks like the Virgin Mary.

''I don't know if it would still be visible if you went there to see it, but I'm sure that won't stop people from trying.''

Caroline took the picture at around midday while enjoying a romantic stroll with hubby Stephen, 53, on Valentine's Day.

Mother-of-three Caroline said some of her friends had dismissed the image as a trick of the light, but she believes there could be more to it and she is now researching the history of the area.

She added: ''The place where this photo was taken was of the arch in the rocks on the left hand side of a large cave to the left of holiday flats on the front.

''When the photo was first taken it show just the archway and the rock surrounding it. Some people have suggested that it may be just a light reflection, but the sun was behind the rock face at the time and it would have filled the whole cave instead of just forming a perfect image.

''I would like people to shed some light on the history of that particular area. The image was definitely not a natural part of the rock formation as it was not visible at the time. I understand the nearby caves were used for smuggling.''

Thousands of people flocked to Limerick in Ireland in 2009 when an image of the Virgin Mary appeared on a tree stump.

An image of her religious figure also appeared on a toasted cheese sandwich, which sold on eBay for 28,000 US dollars.

Milton Hospital, near Boston in the US, asked the Catholic Church for help in 2003 after being swamped by more than 25,000 people seeking to view what they believed was an image of the Virgin Mary in a third-floor window.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-of-Virgin-Mary-spotted-in-Newquay-cliff.html
 
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This needs merging with the R&C thread, "BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary)"
*See Rynner's post* ;)
 
I had a doctor's appointment this morning, but I still managed to get a couple of hours in Newquay this afternoon.
The hooded figure is seen holding her arms out-stretched in a cradling action sheltered beneath rocks at Newquay's Western Beach, Cornwall.
Trouble is, Newquay doesn't have a Western Beach! Its west-most beach is Fistral beach, famous for its surfing activity. But the geography there doesn't fit the described location.
''The place where this photo was taken was of the arch in the rocks on the left hand side of a large cave to the left of holiday flats on the front
I did find a place in Newquay that roughly matched this description, and took some photos, but it was obvious the angle of the rocks was wrong, even without putting the pic up on the computer.

Still, it was a day out, in wall-to-wall sunshine, even if the breeze from the north was cool, and I got several new photos.

Only when I got home did I double-check a large-scale OS map online, and discovered that there is a Great Western Beach to the east of the area I explored! (I learn from the internet that it was named after the Great Western Railway - the railway station is almost on top of the cliffs above the beach.) So I may not have learned anything about the BVM, but I have learned something! Great Western Beach is not very large, so it should be possible to locate the apparition's position quite quickly next time I go.

As for
''There was nothing on the screen when I took the original photograph. Then when we got home the image of the Virgin Mary had appeared.
..well, almost every picture I take shows something I never noticed at the time! This is a feature of digital cameras (other than SLR types) - you focus on a little screen at arms length rather than the actual scene itself.

I'm assuming that the BVM image was cropped out from a larger view: it would be good to see the entire pic, as this would help confirm the actual location. And as we know the date and time the image was created, I should be able to check the tide height at the time, in case stray refections from the sea have created highlights giving rise to a simulacrum. (This is what I expect, in fact. That stretch of cliffs would mostly be in shadow at noon, and glints of light from the sea would have more effect.)
 
Maybe this is round about where it was taken. *Notice the arch, bottom centre (ish!) :?
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coaly said:
Maybe this is round about where it was taken. *Notice the arch, bottom centre (ish!) :?
Don't think so - the apparition 'arch' is more rectangular, and doesn't have a sandy floor. (I get the impression the 'arch' is part-way up a cliff, rather than on the beach.) Neither does it have that near vertical crack above it.

When was your photo taken?
 
2005. That's the only arch I could think of there. :?
 
coaly said:
2005. That's the only arch I could think of there. :?
I'll see if it's still there on my next visit!
 
I managed to get to NQ again today.

But Great Western Beach doen't seem right for the site of the BVM apparition, and neither does the next beach east, Tolcarne Beach. There are are other beaches further out either side of NQ, but by now I felt discouraged, so I made my way home (and that's another story).

This seems a typical experience of investigating the paranormal. You start off with a reasonably detailed and apparently credible report, but as you look into it various details just don't add up.

In conclusion, the paranormal ain't normal!
 
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No worship on 'Virgin Mary' hill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7859363.stm
By Prime Ndikumagenge
BBC News, Bujumbura

Worshippers claim only those with a "special gift" see the apparition

Worship has been banned on a small rural hill in Burundi, where a woman claims to see the Virgin Mary on the same day of every month.

The 23-year-old's claims of an apparition have become so widely known that thousands of people gather on the hill at the same time to pray.

But the governor of the northern province says the worshippers are troublemakers and they should stop.

The Catholic church in the area is also investigating the claims of a "vision".

Looks as if this is the same cult.

Burundi: Catholic sect 'clashes with police kill six'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21755724

At least six people have been killed and 35 wounded in clashes in northern Burundi between police and a Catholic sect, an official has said.

The violence broke out after police tried to block followers of 30-year-old Zebiya Ngendakumana from praying in Kayanza region, the official added.

Ms Ngendakumana says she sees visions of the Virgin Mary on the 12th day of each month.

The authorities are worried her sect could threaten public order.

The sect, formed more than a year ago, has developed a following across the country and in neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo.

Kayanza Governor Athanase Mbonabuca said hundreds of sect members, some "armed with clubs and stones", resisted police attempts to prevent them from meeting on a hilltop on Tuesday, the day Zebiya Ngendakumana said she would see her visions, AFP news agency reports.

'Sanctuary destroyed'
"There were violent clashes. At least six people are dead and 35 wounded," he is quoted as saying.

All the dead are believed to be followers of Ms Ngendakumana, with four policemen seriously wounded, AFP reports.

The sect has had a tense relationship with Burundi's government since its formation, says Florentine Kwizera of the BBC's Great Lakes Service.

Last year, police destroyed a sanctuary of the sect in Kayanza - its stronghold - and its followers retaliated by breaking up a Sunday service at a local Catholic church, she says.

Most Burundians are Catholic and the official church has distanced itself from the sect.

The sect has also urged its followers to boycott the government's community service programme.

It is not clear why it is opposed to the programme, which sees residents of towns and cities engage in activities such as cleaning streets and refurbishing schools every Saturday.
 
The youngest person to have witnessed the alleged apparition of the Virgin Mary at Knock, Co Mayo in 1879 may be reburied in New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral, according to Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

John Curry, who later in life immigrated to the United States, was just five-years-old when he and 14 others saw Our Lady in the County Mayo village. Curry gave his testimony about the wet August night over 135 years ago to a church investigation in 1937. Economic circumstance in Ireland forced Curry to emigrate to England and then on to the United States.

The Archbishop, who is currently on a visit to Knock to officially open the annual novena, said, “We are thinking about moving the grave to St Patrick's – wouldn't that be beautiful?”

Dolan told the Irish Independent that when Father Richard Gibbons, the parish priest of Knock visited New York, he visited John Curry’s grave.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Kn...IC - Aug 17&utm_term=The Best of IrishCentral
 
THIRTY-one years after the moving statue phenomenon in Ballinspittle, an unusual sighting of what is believed to be an image of the Virgin Mary has drawn crowds to a house in a County Limerick town.

At around 11pm on Thursday reports began to circulate of a peculiar image which appeared on the front of a house in the Riverview Estate in Kilmallock.

Within an hour, up to 50 people had gathered outside the two-storey home - some travelling from as far away as Mitchelstown - to say prayers and light candles, at what locals believe is an image of Our Lady.

During the commotion, residents called to the house of a local priest at around 11pm asking him to attend the scene.

“At that stage there were up to 40 people gathered. A number of cars and vans had parked up. People were saying the Rosary and holding candles. The priest joined in,” said one local.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/h...n-mary-in-limerick.html#.WEF2xtw51a4.facebook
 
"In 2009, thousands flocked to Rathkeale in west Limerick to worship at a tree stump in the shape of Our Lady*."

It's a darling story! A while since we had one so good. Now with additional mobile phone witnesses! :clap:

*I feel about the BVM much as I feel about the Queen: both smiling ladies dressed in blue on the walls of the classroom. We pray to them to intercede for us with their sons or just go on reigning for ever and ever!
 
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Rescued statue of Our Lady 'comes to life' in Irish flat
Saturday 10th December 2016

Reports of a weeping Virgin Mary in a Kerry flat have caused speculation of a religious miracle.

IT'S one of the most famous Only Fool and Horses episodes.

In the much-loved sitcom, Del Boy and Rodney transform a church roof leak into a money-spinning miracle, drawing thousands of devoted onlookers to watch the tears fall from a statue of Our Lady.

However, real-life reports of a weeping Virgin Mary in a flat in Kerry in recent weeks are causing whispered speculation of a religious miracle.

Behind a nondescript building in a Tralee carpark, the chipped, slightly damaged statue stands in a room at the end of a tiled hallway in a cosy flat among dozens of other religious figurines.

Locals are adamant they have seen the statue shed a tear, move her hands, change colour and have witnessed a prominent blue vein standing out in her neck.

In the first-floor flat above Domino’s Pizza in the centre of Tralee this week, local woman Teresa Roche (above) described seeing a tear falling from the eye of the statue in the small flat.

“I saw the tear drop from her eye,” said Teresa pointing to the statue.

“The tear came out of the corner of her eye and fell.”

On another occasion, Teresa, who regularly goes to Lourdes, insisted she saw the statue’s features come to life. ...

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/rescued-statue-of-our-lady-comes-to-life-in-irish-flat
 
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