chicorea
Ephemeral Spectre
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- May 22, 2010
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Thanks for the interesting post you have made, especially the part about Jehan Fleury.
Just to clarify, in para (D) you say that Dee didn't use the obsidian mirror because it didn't work, which you establish in (A), and he used other shewstones in his workings. So this is why the obsidian mirror wasn't part of his Enochian system. If that is the case, you are indeed quite correct. For my part I wasn't even aware that Dee owned an obsidian mirror prior to this forum topic, but had written elsewhere of the use of obsidian mirrors in the Lesser Key of Solomon.
I am certainly pleased that you think that you can offer a mesoamerican provenance for the mirror in question though. While it has no bearing on Enochian magic, other than being in Dee's posessions, it is certainly relevant to other forms of European ceremonial magic that emerged after the "Conquest of New Spain". I wonder where I could look to further establish the origins of the mirror beyond Dee's ownership?
Most of what I learned about Fleury, I read in French, from the digitalized documents of the BNF, the Gallica. It can be a rich source for those that can read in French :
https://gallica.bnf.fr/
Besides, there are some material in English as well, like this small article
http://www.cindyvallar.com/Fleury.html
Or even a discussion on Reddit, that some can'y consider very... reliable, but that can have some hints to further research :
The English ambassador that I mentioned was William Pickering, the English Ambassador for the court of Charles V. He is mentioned as a friend of Dee and was present on some vital occasions on Dee's early perigrinations on Europe :
https://books.google.fr/books?id=0n...=onepage&q=william pickering john dee&f=false
https://books.google.fr/books?id=FA...=onepage&q=william pickering john dee&f=false
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Ib...=onepage&q=william pickering john dee&f=false
There is no actual statement saying that Pickering gave an item of Aztec paraphernalia to Dee, but the opportunity seem to me too good to be put elswhere.
Here, a short mention linking Fleury and the obsidian mirrors that arrived to Europe :
https://books.google.fr/books?id=SL...nepage&q=jehan fleury cortez obsidian&f=false
I will try to find more, better focused sources, when I arrive home. I hope this ones can help.