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Currently researching stories from late 19 century to present times about strange creatures in some Irish lakes or loughs.Always described as eel like or having a horse-like head(Kelpie);usually 10 feet in lenght or more,particularly the west of the country and the Midlands.
Looking for a book written by Peter Costelloe,now unavailable,called"In search of lake Monsters".
Any information ,especially details of photograph evidence,if any ,would be greatly appreciated.
 
In Graham McEwan's "Mystery Animals of Britain & Ireland" (Hale 1986) - there is quite a lot of good info on Irish lake monsters - no photos though, and I'm pretty sure that no such photos exist.
 
Further to wintermute's post, F W Holiday's "The Dragon and the Disc"(Sidgewick &Jackson 1973) has a fair bit of stuff about Irish lough monsters and an interesting thesis linking lake monster traditions with UFO sightings
 
Thanks for the info.I have been talking to some people who grew up near a particular lake in County Cavan and they insist that the animal is perhaps a giant conger eel;not sure if they can grow to 10 feet or more;it does not explain the horse like head either which is a consistent feature of the vast majority of sightings documented.Appears one of these creatures was trapped in a culvert between two small lakes in Connemara and simply left to rot.Again there is a distinct lack of photograph evidence which contrasts with sightings in other countries.Maybe this lends credence to the phenomena here.If anyone has heard stories from the recent past,especially relating to Lough Ree,please let me know.
 
Re. Irish Lake Monsters.

The Blather site has loads on them, well written from a bemused
and fairly sceptical point of view, if I remember rightly.

There is a link to the site on the Fortean Links page, I think.
 
Lake monster studies

I think it might be simpler to ask who isn't really jealous of this guys studies:

UPS grad seeks lore of lake monsters

DAVID WICKERT; The News Tribune

Many people search for long-necked, humpbacked lizards at the bottom of Loch Ness. Buck DeFore looks elsewhere.

He's plumbing the murky geography of myth, commerce and community identity, searching for clues to the origins and cultural impact of lake monsters. And thanks to a foundation grant, he's being paid to do it.

DeFore, a 2003 University of Puget Sound graduate, has spent the last year circling the globe - from Argentina to Australia to Scotland - studying the Ogopogo, the bunyip, Nessie and other creatures of questionable authenticity.

What he's found says more about us than it does about the monsters. For DeFore, the question of whether prehistoric creatures swim among us is beside the point. The human animal, he's found, is much more interesting.

"In a way, these things may be complete hoaxes," DeFore said in a recent telephone interview from Inverness, Scotland. "But they do connect people to nature."

DeFore, 24, already knew something about monsters when he embarked on his journey. He grew up near Lake Champlain in New York, home to Champ, a U.S. lake monster. Though he never saw the beast, it captured his imagination. And he got his first taste of how "lake monster culture" can permeate a community.

"I have painted pictures of (Champ) in elementary school," DeFore wrote in an essay last year. "I have gone to baseball games and laughed at Champy mascots; I have dog-paddled back to the motorboat with great haste after falling off my water skis.

"To me and others from my town," he wrote, "Champy is real, regardless of whether or not he physically exists."

That conviction led DeFore to apply for a Thomas J. Watson Fellowship, which allows college graduates to spend a year traveling and studying abroad. He received the fellowship - which includes a ,000 grant - to study the impact of monsters on community tourism, identity and culture.

He had a lot of monsters to choose from. According to DeFore's research, monsters have been reported at more than 300 lakes worldwide. He narrowed his study to a handful, including the Ogopogo in British Columbia, the Nahuelito in Argentina, the bunyip in Australia, Nessie in Scotland and the Storsjoodjuret in Sweden.

In his year abroad, he's photographed tourists in British Columbia, surveyed Argentine lakes and toured Scottish shops loaded with Nessie key chains, Nessie shot glasses, Nessie bobbleheads and Nessie pencil sharpeners.

He's kept his observations - plus tirades about country singer Alan Jackson and assorted other tangents - in an Internet journal. Throw in snippets of bunyip poetry, bits of local history and maps of lake monster sites, and you've got a fascinating chronicle.

So why have these communities embraced their monsters? DeFore said he thinks there are many reasons. For children, there's the romance of monsters and dinosaurs. For adults, there's a chance to make money off trinkets and boat tours. For communities, there's the pride of having a unique story to tell.

For many, DeFore said, lake monsters represent a connection to the mystery of nature. But that link has become tenuous, and DeFore has found that in many communities the legends of lake monsters are fading.

"As these things become quaint, I do think there's a loss," DeFore said. "I think there's a value to these things."

So does DeFore believe?

"I believe there could actually be an unidentified species of fish or eel," he said. "Honestly, I think the statistical probability is very, very small.

"I guess," he said, "I'm fascinated by a lie."

David Wickert: 253-274-7341
[email protected]


You can follow Buck DeFore's travels and learn more at http://www.lakemonsterculture.com.

http://www.tribnet.com/entertainment/story/5229900p-5164513c.html
 
Buck DeFore? Let's all just be happy that The Rood Geverend Spooner isn't around to introduce him. :eek: :D
 
Alan said:
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Looking for a book written by Peter Costelloe,now unavailable,called"In search of lake Monsters".

Wow! I just bought a 1974 hardback edition of this book yesterday in Oxfam for £2.50!

I have yet to read through the Irish section but some of the stuff dealing with Loch Ness is very interesting - And a lot of it (especially historical accounts and accounts of land sightings) I have never seen before. Including a story of a strange creature being found and killed by workmen in a Lock of the Canal near Fort Augustus.

It's an exceptional book and a lot of it seems to have been written with help by Bernard Heuvelmans.
 
Re: Re: Lake creatures

Egan said:
Wow! I just bought a 1974 hardback edition of this book yesterday in Oxfam for £2.50!

Nifty - good find. I'm a big fan of nosing around charity shops (especially in posh areas ;) ). That book is going for £25 at Amazon although ABE have a number at around that price - in fact the postage would be more expensive ;)

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?tn="In+Search+of+Lake+Monsters"

How things have changed in the few years sicne this thread started - the world's books are now at your finger tips :)
 
Thats a great site. I can't believe I've never seen it before. Maybe I can rebuild my Crypto collection that my Mum gave to a jumble sale when I left home.....:(

Actually, maybe I'll be able to track down a copy of 'On the trail of unkown animals' for less than a hundred quid. There must be one out there, surely? :)
 
While copies of Heuvelmans seminal opus are rather scarce, there is a seller on eBay who seems to have limitless supplies of what are apparently first edition copies in near-mint condition. However, they are rather pricey. I suppose it depends upon how much one is willing to pay. Fortunately for me, I bought every copy I could lay my hands on back in my teens, as this ( as well as 'In the Wake of Sea Serpents' ) were incredibly hard to find even then.
 
I thought all his books were to be republished a couple of years ago but i have never heard anything about it. Did it go ahead or is it ever likely too? I really wouldn't mind getting a full set at something aporaching a normal price.
 
Egan said:
I thought all his books were to be republished a couple of years ago but i have never heard anything about it. Did it go ahead or is it ever likely too? I really wouldn't mind getting a full set at something aporaching a normal price.

Yep Kegan Paul International are doing it but don't expect low prices (although there is a sale on at the moment):

The Kraken and the Colossal Octopus

On the Track of Unknown Animals

I know the first one was reviewed in FT a while back and is supposed to be areally great version of the original French book rather than the earlier hacked abot English version.

I'm waiting for them to be released in paperback ;)
 
Kegan Paul has sure raised the price of "On the Track".I bought that edition over here in the U.S. seven or eight years ago and it was 60 or 70 dollars then.
 
Sweden's 'Loch Ness Monster' captured on film
Filmmakers claim to have captured footage of Sweden's mythical Storsjoodjuret or Great Lake sea monster, the Scandinavian country's equivalent to the legendary beast said to lurk in Scotland's Loch Ness.
By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 4:06PM BST 28 Aug 2008

Svergies Television, which set up cameras on Sweden's Storsjon or Great Lake, has released images of a blurry, long and narrow silhouette moving in the depths said to be the famous Swedish sea monster.

"It clearly shows that it's warm and is made up of cells, otherwise our cameras wouldn't indicate red, so it can be a sea snake or some other kind of sea animal," said a member of the film crew.

Efforts to find the monster are being stepped up amid international TV interest and by summer 2009, 30 cameras will be monitoring the lake's waters and islets.

Hunts for the Storsjoodjuret are controversial after Swedish authorities tried and failed to protect the creature as an endangered animal three years ago.

The monster was first mentioned in print in 1635 and 500 people have reported 200 sightings since then.

Spotters have variously described the creature as a three-humped serpent, anywhere between 50 to nine feet long, with a dog's head and fins on its neck, with black, grey, red or yellow colouring, making a wailing, or rattling, noise.

Hunts for the Great Lake sea monster have regularly taken place since 1894 when a Swedish sea captain created a stock company with the purpose of catching the legenday beast.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -film.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHiIPD4Qz4w
 
In the first clip it seemed to remain in the same position as it coiled down, like a solid rigid object slowly going down a whirlpool, rather than moving freely as I would expect a live animal to do. Suggests to me a stick or some other inanimate object. Also no real sense of scale or perspective.

The second shot of something beneath the surface is more impressive looking but it appears to just be a still image rather than showing anything moving - and the two objects appear to bear no resemblance to each other with the second appearing a more 'Nessie' shaped being compared to the snake-like item in the first shot.
 
I just picked up a book on local myths and monster sightings for the Central New York Lake Ontario area. There has been a record of monster sightings here for about 2000 yrs according to the book.
One interesting type of lake monster sightings descibed by the local native americans are giant slug like things that live in the muck at the bottom of the local lakes. I think whatever lives in Lake Ontario/The Great Lakes in general is some sort of giant eel judging from the descriptions and the cold winters here. Fish survive it just fine so eels should too.
 
Utterly crap film on the Loch Lochy monster by Vice. They paid for me to go to their London studio for an interview. I talked for about half an hour on lake monsters and the probability that most are huge eels, catfish or sturgeon. Almost nothing from my interview was used and instead they have a silly girl doing a tongue in cheek piss take. Childish and annoying. The money wasted on that could have gone into serious research.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/kz4j5v/amelia-dimoldenberg-loch-lochy-lizzie-documentary
 
Utterly crap film on the Loch Lochy monster by Vice. They paid for me to go to their London studio for an interview. I talked for about half an hour on lake monsters and the probability that most are huge eels, catfish or sturgeon. Almost nothing from my interview was used and instead they have a silly girl doing a tongue in cheek piss take. Childish and annoying. The money wasted on that could have gone into serious research.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/kz4j5v/amelia-dimoldenberg-loch-lochy-lizzie-documentary

Yeah but the girl is prettier than you!
 
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