Reincarnation (The Phenomenon; The Process; Theories)

[Windsock]

As someone with a keen interest in all things mystical and generally odd, reincarnation has always had me thinking. So much so that I was recommended to a local white witch who did past life readings - not regression. I made an appointment to go and see her and arrived a little early and managed to find my way to her back door. Fortunately she was in her kitchen and beckoned me in. To my delight, she had a black cat (and also a little terrier dog). After asking me whether I would like a cup of tea she ushered me into her front room.

Before I could even sit down, she made a comment that left me absolutely stunned. "I suppose you are wondering what the horse is all about"? she asked. This will require a little explaining. As many people know, lots of young children had 'imaginary friends' that visit from time to time - with visits lessening as the child grows older. Whilst I don't recall it, my mother often spoke of my imaginary friend who was - you guessed it - a white horse!

I asked her to continue, without providing any details, and she explained that the "white horse" was my spiritual guide who was always with me - but particularly as I was transitioning from one incarnation to another. Apparently, the horse guides my spirit from death to rebirth and stays with me as I find my feet in my new life. I guess it provides a kind of comfort and familiarity.

The remainder of the reading was equally astounding, as she reeled off characteristics aligning perfectly with my current incarnation. Apparently, I was a fisherman in ancient Greece, a writer / poet in Scotland, a chef in Germany. My previous incarnation before this was of a young boy in early 20th century London who died at an early age.

She ended the session by telling me, very humorously that, whilst I was an old soul, this wouldn't be my last 'time around' as I don't learn my life lessons She gave me a list of aspects and lessons I needed to focus on.

She was an absolutely lovely lady who exuded gentleness and peacefulness, as well as an enormous intellect and understanding throughout our couple of hours together.

I keep meaning to look into a proper regression session to see if it aligns - but life always seems to get in the way.

 

[Robbrent]

As someone with a keen interest in all things mystical and generally odd, reincarnation has always had me thinking. So much so that I was recommended to a local white witch who did past life readings - not regression. I made an appointment to go and see her and arrived a little early and managed to find my way to her back door. Fortunately she was in her kitchen and beckoned me in. To my delight, she had a black cat (and also a little terrier dog). After asking me whether I would like a cup of tea she ushered me into her front room.

Before I could even sit down, she made a comment that left me absolutely stunned. "I suppose you are wondering what the horse is all about"? she asked. This will require a little explaining. As many people know, lots of young children had 'imaginary friends' that visit from time to time - with visits lessening as the child grows older. Whilst I don't recall it, my mother often spoke of my imaginary friend who was - you guessed it - a white horse!

I asked her to continue, without providing any details, and she explained that the "white horse" was my spiritual guide who was always with me - but particularly as I was transitioning from one incarnation to another. Apparently, the horse guides my spirit from death to rebirth and stays with me as I find my feet in my new life. I guess it provides a kind of comfort and familiarity.

The remainder of the reading was equally astounding, as she reeled off characteristics aligning perfectly with my current incarnation. Apparently, I was a fisherman in ancient Greece, a writer / poet in Scotland, a chef in Germany. My previous incarnation before this was of a young boy in early 20th century London who died at an early age.

She ended the session by telling me, very humorously that, whilst I was an old soul, this wouldn't be my last 'time around' as I don't learn my life lessons She gave me a list of aspects and lessons I needed to focus on.

She was an absolutely lovely lady who exuded gentleness and peacefulness, as well as an enormous intellect and understanding throughout our couple of hours together.

I keep meaning to look into a proper regression session to see if it aligns - but life always seems to get in the way.

How interesting, I am a bit skeptical of regression because one can not rule out the mind playing tricks, there must be a lot of new souls about when you consider what the population of the earth is now even comparing it with a 100 years ago

 

[Windsock]

How interesting, I am a bit skeptical of regression because one can not rule out the mind playing tricks, there must be a lot of new souls about when you consider what the population of the earth is now even comparing it with a 100 years ago

It was a fantastic experience - and there was no charge, which always helps I'm not sure how she did it - reading aura's or something potentially but she got my characteristics and interests spot on. She had no prior notification of who I was so couldn't do any research and I was very careful not to divulge anything during the session (at her request). But it was a very pleasant experience that answered a lot of questions for me. And the horse - well that just blew me away.

 

[SimonBurchell]

there must be a lot of new souls about when you consider what the population of the earth is now even comparing it with a 100 years ago

Not necessarily. NDE and other anecdotal evidence strongly suggest that whatever is happening is happening outside of time; potentially the same souls could be coming back all over the place. Or, once you remove time from the equation, you could look at this from a future perspective (from our point of view) - along the lines of "we have sixty squillion souls reincarnating backward along the timeline, by the time we get to the 21st century, we are going to have so few bodies for them to reincarnate into that our selection is going to have to be much reduced".

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Thanks for sharing such an enlightening story Windsock. I would consider myself extremely fortunate to have met such a wonderful lady.
Clearly she is gifted, not only in intuition but in grace and manners as well.
You obviously enjoyed her company as indeed I would have too.

Regarding your desire to have a "proper regression",I wish you luck but I tend to agree with Robbrent. Regression is mind manipulation.
It is important to remember mind and soul are two separate entities. (My opinion only, critical responses most welcomed)

Cheers.

 

[Robbrent]

Not necessarily. NDE and other anecdotal evidence strongly suggest that whatever is happening is happening outside of time; potentially the same souls could be coming back all over the place. Or, once you remove time from the equation, you could look at this from a future perspective (from our point of view) - along the lines of "we have sixty squillion souls reincarnating backward along the timeline, by the time we get to the 21st century, we are going to have so few bodies for them to reincarnate into that our selection is going to have to be much reduced".

Now that does make my head spin, but I still hold on to my belief in that it's not you who actually reincarnates (or moves on after you die) but that inner part of you your consciousness soul or whatever, which is devoid of earthly trappings and wants and needs

I think what you are getting at is that its probably a very complex thing in fact so complex we could never understand it with the human mind,

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Hi Simon,

I think you may enjoy my story on Souls.

While visiting my doctor after a rib breaking episode, he questioned how it occurred.
I explained that I have a problem in my mind, in that my mind tells me I am still 20 years old, so when I encounter a fence I tend to jump over it without thinking. I'm pushing 70 years old. Consequentially, I land on my a*se more often than I wish too.

His reply absolutely floored me. "That's your soul, it's still young, our souls lives hundreds of thousands of years. Some are ancient, some are young."
I have never heard a doctor talk like that before, I was stunned. He was serious. He went on to explain that in my case my soul is has not matured yet and is prone to "stupid and childish" behavior. That statement pretty much summed me up.

I am particularly interested in your above post regarding the timeline of souls transitions and if convenient I would welcome more info.
Thanks.

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Apart from my post on this thread (#104), I’d also like to mention I’ve come across what I’d describe as ‘Fellow Travellers’. You meet them fleetingly in daily life. There’s a recognition even in a supermarket that you’ve met that person before and known them well previously and they recognise you. There’s a familiarity of a connected soul. There’s a click but you don’t take it further because that’s crossing the streams. There’s loads of us oldies out there.

Yes indeed AB. I actually enjoy such encounters and so do they, and like you, it isn't taken further but the feeling of recognition in both parties is very pronounced. Once however, I did have the opposite effect which reinforces your "connected soul" theory.

During my working days I often needed to communicate with a fellow technician. We were 600 kilometers from each other, had never met except verbally over the telephone. We got along very well, similar interests, lots of friendly banter.
I was based at the head station, he at the remote end. One day he needed to visit headquarters and we were both looking forward to the meeting.

The moment we set eyes on each other produced instant horror, hatred, deep suspicion in both of us. I could tell his mistrust in me was just as strong as my feelings. We found it extremely hard to talk to each other. In summary, a very tense and awkward two hours.
I never met this bloke before in my life yet I hated his guts the moment I saw him and visa versa. An unjustifiable fear.

I can only think of one explanation. At some point in another time space realm, this fellow and I had a terrible encounter.

 

[Robbrent]

Yes indeed AB. I actually enjoy such encounters and so do they, and like you, it isn't taken further but the feeling of recognition in both parties is very pronounced. Once however, I did have the opposite effect which reinforces your "connected soul" theory.

During my working days I often needed to communicate with a fellow technician. We were 600 kilometers from each other, had never met except verbally over the telephone. We got along very well, similar interests, lots of friendly banter.
I was based at the head station, he at the remote end. One day he needed to visit headquarters and we were both looking forward to the meeting.

The moment we set eyes on each other produced instant horror, hatred, deep suspicion in both of us. I could tell his mistrust in me was just as strong as my feelings. We found it extremely hard to talk to each other. In summary, a very tense and awkward two hours.
I never met this bloke before in my life yet I hated his guts the moment I saw him and visa versa. An unjustifiable fear.

I can only think of one explanation. At some point in another time space realm, this fellow and I had a terrible encounter.

Thanks for sharing that, but your story presupposes that your life now is just a continuation of your previous lives basically the same person born time and time again, but how can this be, the person I am (and everyone) is the sum total of my experiences in this life time, the influence of my parents, (even my ancestral DNA) the environment I live and have lived in, the time I live in etc, etc

I prefer to think of it as a part I am playing (or my soul is playing) when this act is over so is my part in it, I go on to play another part as a completely different person, the core essence (my soul for want of a better word) has no identity it just is, so I can't get on board with carrying grudges over, they are just part of another play we were in

Hope I have made sense here

 

[escargot]

Yes indeed AB. I actually enjoy such encounters and so do they, and like you, it isn't taken further but the feeling of recognition in both parties is very pronounced. Once however, I did have the opposite effect which reinforces your "connected soul" theory.

During my working days I often needed to communicate with a fellow technician. We were 600 kilometers from each other, had never met except verbally over the telephone. We got along very well, similar interests, lots of friendly banter.
I was based at the head station, he at the remote end. One day he needed to visit headquarters and we were both looking forward to the meeting.

The moment we set eyes on each other produced instant horror, hatred, deep suspicion in both of us. I could tell his mistrust in me was just as strong as my feelings. We found it extremely hard to talk to each other. In summary, a very tense and awkward two hours.
I never met this bloke before in my life yet I hated his guts the moment I saw him and visa versa. An unjustifiable fear.

I can only think of one explanation. At some point in another time space realm, this fellow and I had a terrible encounter.

Not trying to shoot you down, but dd you ever discuss this with the colleague? If not, you can only describe your own subjective experience.

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Thanks for sharing that, but your story presupposes that your life now is just a continuation of your previous lives basically the same person born time and time again, but how can this be, the person I am (and everyone) is the sum total of my experiences in this life time, the influence of my parents, (even my ancestral DNA) the environment I live and have lived in, the time I live in etc, etc

I prefer to think of it as a part I am playing (or my soul is playing) when this act is over so is my part in it, I go on to play another part as a completely different person, the core essence (my soul for want of a better word) has no identity it just is, so I can't get on board with carrying grudges over, they are just part of another play we were in

Hope I have made sense here

Yes, you make a valid point. Also, your view on the role of the soul is well worth considering. Thank you.

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Not trying to shoot you down, but dd you ever discuss this with the colleague? If not, you can only describe your own subjective experience.

I understand your comment very well and upon reflection perhaps it was me who reacted in a negative manner which then impacted onto my colleague to follow likewise.

It was a long time ago and I haven't seen him since. Your suggestion that a discussion may have helped is damn good advice, I honestly never gave it a thought at the time. Should I ever run into him again I will do exactly that.
Thank you.

 

[Windsock]

Thanks for sharing such an enlightening story Windsock. I would consider myself extremely fortunate to have met such a wonderful lady.
Clearly she is gifted, not only in intuition but in grace and manners as well.
You obviously enjoyed her company as indeed I would have too.

Regarding your desire to have a "proper regression",I wish you luck but I tend to agree with Robbrent. Regression is mind manipulation.
It is important to remember mind and soul are two separate entities. (My opinion only, critical responses most welcomed)

Cheers.

Thanks. It was certainly an eye opening experience. Whilst she was very warm and accommodating, one got the impression that she was not someone you could strike up an ongoing friendship with. I would assume this is as a result of being regarded as a 'witch', that I imagine still has negative connotations. Or perhaps just a level of professional 'distancing'.

I would agree that regression could very easily be some form of mind manipulation. I would, at least, have benchmark findings that I could compare the session against - but of course, that could simply be my mind attempting to make the new regression findings fit my earlier experience.

Its a fascinating subject, that I hope one day to be able to explore more fully. I'm currently reading up cases of youngsters talking about past lives where the details they provide seem impossibly accurate. Perhaps one day, I'll be able to have enough detail to provide a greater insight on the forum.

 

[escargot]

I understand your comment very well and upon reflection perhaps it was me who reacted in a negative manner which then impacted onto my colleague to follow likewise.

It was a long time ago and I haven't seen him since. Your suggestion that a discussion may have helped is damn good advice, I honestly never gave it a thought at the time. Should I ever run into him again I will do exactly that.
Thank you.

Keep us posted!

Soem peiple


Someone made a very poor first impression on me a couple of years ago by turning up drunk where they shouldn't and I, forthright as ever, told them 'If you fall on the road I'm not picking you up!'

We eventually got over this and became friends but I was right as they eventually lost their job through boozing.
My initial dislike of them was rational though, not a feeling.

 

[Robbrent]

Thanks. It was certainly an eye opening experience. Whilst she was very warm and accommodating, one got the impression that she was not someone you could strike up an ongoing friendship with. I would assume this is as a result of being regarded as a 'witch', that I imagine still has negative connotations. Or perhaps just a level of professional 'distancing'.

I would agree that regression could very easily be some form of mind manipulation. I would, at least, have benchmark findings that I could compare the session against - but of course, that could simply be my mind attempting to make the new regression findings fit my earlier experience.

Its a fascinating subject, that I hope one day to be able to explore more fully. I'm currently reading up cases of youngsters talking about past lives where the details they provide seem impossibly accurate. Perhaps one day, I'll be able to have enough detail to provide a greater insight on the forum.

Quite a few gifted (in the paranormal sense) people are regarded as loners, as for regression go ahead and try it in the spirt of being an explorer rather than a believer one never knows that's what I love about this place and the magazine, we are just exploring the subject and not coming to any conclusion no dogma just seeing things as they are presented and long may it continue, it's the downfall of many who post about this topic on Social Media they refuse to see an alternative explanation or at least consider it this is especially happening with children recalling other lives (there are 1000's of good cases) but sometimes i read something and it's obvious the kid has been watching too much telly

 

[FORTFAN 7]

I am on my third but not final attempt to understand just a little bit of quantum mechanics.

Progress is slow, the little I have learned from the tangled mess of waves, particles, multiple copies of universes, worlds and ourselves, leads me cautiously to consider the concept of souls an essential part of reality.

My motto at the moment, "always learning, often confused."

 

[Sabresonic]

I am on my third but not final attempt to understand just a little bit of quantum mechanics.

Progress is slow, the little I have learned from the tangled mess of waves, particles, multiple copies of universes, worlds and ourselves, leads me cautiously to consider the concept of souls an essential part of reality.

My motto at the moment, "always learning, often confused."

My motto at the moment "always learning, mostly pissed off."

 

[FORTFAN 7]

My motto at the moment "always learning, mostly pissed off."

Ha ha, yep!

 

[FORTFAN 7]

Is it OK to click "Like" on retired accounts? I am reading every post on this thread and am absolutely gobsmacked at the wealth of good data freely available to anybody who ever wanted to study the subject.
I want to give every contributor to this discussion a Like but not sure about the protocol here. Any objections please yell out.


Cheers.

 

[FORTFAN 7]

A very interesting thread, but what has stuck in my mind is mention of reincarnation being edited out of the bible, perhaps someone could start a new thread regarding what is believed or known to be edited out from the bible. I , for one would be most interested.

Hello Guest,

If you are still with the thread, there is plenty of material available which should interest you.

Google "Gnostic Christians", "Gnosticism", "The Gospel of Thomas" "Hidden Gospels" etc.

Happy hunting.

 

[SimonBurchell]

I just finished reading The Golden Shore by Joan Forman. One interpretation of reincarnation that she puts forward is that a soul comes from a "soul group" to inhabit a body, then goes back to the group and merges with it, each soul being part of a greater whole, and there being many soul groups.

I suppose it is like having a large bottle of water, and pouring it out into a smaller glass, then pouring it back into the bottle again. Every time you pour out a glass, you get different amounts of water that was actually in the previous glass.

When you meet someone with whom you have an instant and unexpected connection, she argues, it is because you both come from the same soul group. Two glasses from the same bottle, as it were (my analogy).

Joan Forman argues that life and death are all about education of the soul. I don't necessarily disagree but... she was an educator, and the imprint of her educational thinking is clear to see in the book.

 

[SimonBurchell]

Is it OK to click "Like" on retired accounts? I am reading every post on this thread and am absolutely gobsmacked at the wealth of good data freely available to anybody who ever wanted to study the subject.
I want to give every contributor to this discussion a Like but not sure about the protocol here. Any objections please yell out.


Cheers.

I "like" on retired accounts. Why not? It is also a handy way of reminding yourself that you have read a post previously, long after you forget a thread even existed and then come across it again.

 

[Sollywos]

I like on retired accounts. Why not? It is also a handy way of reminding yourself that you have read a post previously, long after you forget a thread even existed and then come across it again.

Me too but not all the time as I,like @FORTFAN 7, am not sure of the protocol. As you say though 'why not?'

 

[escargot]

Is it OK to click "Like" on retired accounts? I am reading every post on this thread and am absolutely gobsmacked at the wealth of good data freely available to anybody who ever wanted to study the subject.
I want to give every contributor to this discussion a Like but not sure about the protocol here. Any objections please yell out.


Cheers.

Go for it. Posters who've drifted away sometimes paddle back. Old accounts can be reclaimed. Your 'like' might be appreciated.
Even if it isn't, it's a placeholder for when you reread a thread.

 

[catseye]

What baffles me about reincarnation - well, no, lots of things baffle me about reincarnation, but this is the main one - if there is no memory, how can there be learning? Humans learn from experience, either their own or by communication with others. If you reincarnate but with no memory of any past, then how can you learn from the experience of the past? How can we move forward in a progressive way through a series of lives, if we are constantly being 'reset' and have no memories of any of the past lives to help us develop?

 

[SimonBurchell]

What baffles me about reincarnation - well, no, lots of things baffle me about reincarnation, but this is the main one - if there is no memory, how can there be learning? Humans learn from experience, either their own or by communication with others. If you reincarnate but with no memory of any past, then how can you learn from the experience of the past? How can we move forward in a progressive way through a series of lives, if we are constantly being 'reset' and have no memories of any of the past lives to help us develop?

Joan Forman's take on it was that the learning is for the soul group, not the individual currently incarnated. All the lessons learned are taken back and absorbed into the whole. At least, that's how I understood it.

 

[SimonBurchell]

On the other hand, according to a memorable dream I had a while back, the lessons learned are assembled into weapon components by our hidden overlords:

I had a cracker of a dream last night, epic in length and scope, sadly most of it has now faded. In summary, I died and passed to another level of existence, guided by some cloaked figure guiding me along bright spacious corridors, where many other people were also being guided. The cloaked figure talked over my life with me and explained I would have to go back because there was incomplete business. As I was about to do so, some portal broke through and lifted me up to another level, where otherworldly freedom fighters opened an invisible window onto the spirit-processing area where the cloaked figures were guiding the dead and said "look again, see what is really there" - the cloaked figures were all dressed in bright red nazgul-style cloaks, underneath they were horrible gaunt ashen beings. As I watched they talked through the life experiences with the dead person, and extracted their memories and experiences and converted them into strange components that they assembled into weapons. "This is what they are doing, they are making weapons out of your experiences, so they can invade more realms" The dream then advanced into an epic war drama between the freedom fighters and the cloaked beings over the spirits of the dead, involving three different layers of reality. Wow! I really wish I could remember all the detail!

 

[catseye]

Joan Forman's take on it was that the learning is for the soul group, not the individual currently incarnated. All the lessons learned are taken back and absorbed into the whole. At least, that's how I understood it.

This sounds suspiciously 'handwavy' to me. A bit of the 'ah, yes, as an individual it makes no sense but as a whole...'

Particularly when, even as a whole, humankind doesn't seem to learn a damn thing.

 

[FORTFAN 7]

On the other hand, according to a memorable dream I had a while back, the lessons learned are assembled into weapon components by our hidden overlords:

WOW! That was more than a dream Simon---that was a full length block buster movie, and in colour too.

In order to fully understand what the heck some dreams mean I have begun to catagorize them into four main groups.
These groups can be filtered further into sub groups, but I'm not up to that yet, I welcome any suggestions on sub grouping.

The main groups: Class C. Trivial, nonsensical, short-lived, harmless/inert, do not affect sleep.

Class N. Nightmares, busy, tense, tiring, disturbed sleep, common with illness, emotional stress, anxiety, etc.

Class S. Sweet dreams, perfect scenario, loving company, upon waking wishing you could go back to the dream.

Class X. Very rare, seem to say "Hey you. Pay attention". Sleep generally not affect.
This type stays with you all day, sometimes longer as you wonder what it means.

It's Class X which I believe brings not only warnings and lessons to the individual, but occasionally glimpses of a past existence.
Did you sleep OK during the dream? If so, I reckon it would easily fit into Class X category.

 

[SimonBurchell]

WOW! That was more than a dream Simon---that was a full length block buster movie, and in colour too.

In order to fully understand what the heck some dreams mean I have begun to catagorize them into four main groups.
These groups can be filtered further into sub groups, but I'm not up to that yet, I welcome any suggestions on sub grouping.

The main groups: Class C. Trivial, nonsensical, short-lived, harmless/inert, do not affect sleep.

Class N. Nightmares, busy, tense, tiring, disturbed sleep, common with illness, emotional stress, anxiety, etc.

Class S. Sweet dreams, perfect scenario, loving company, upon waking wishing you could go back to the dream.

Class X. Very rare, seem to say "Hey you. Pay attention". Sleep generally not affect.
This type stays with you all day, sometimes longer as you wonder what it means.

It's Class X which I believe brings not only warnings and lessons to the individual, but occasionally glimpses of a past existence.
Did you sleep OK during the dream? If so, I reckon it would easily fit into Class X category.

Yes I did, it was deep sleep, all night, without waking. Unusual for me, I'm a light sleeper.