The Aveley Abductions

[Paul_Exeter]

Here's what is said about the 'police' involvement:

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He was also stopped several times in s short space of time and asked to produce his documents (license, insurance and MOT) at the Police station. Annoyed at the inconvenience, he then threatened to take this further and it stopped. This may simply have been that his car, which was a common make and colour, was similar to one being used as a 'pool car' by drug dealers.

As for the above, it is a bit odd although not classic 'men in black' stuff. Was it a case of two bored undercover policemen chatting too loudly and who then got a call from control to tell them a householder had complained? Perhaps they had seen a light come on and heard him make the call? After all, he could hear them. Also, which number did he ring, as the emergency services are able to trace calls. Otherwise you have to ask what purpose it served to waste the time of two well-remunerated personnel in sitting outside the home of a UFO witness all night, especially at a time when budgets were stretched and there were arguably more pressing matters?

I once had a smartly dressed male and female come into the bar where I worked dressed in formal and have substantially more than the legal amount to drink whilst flirting and getting intimate (!). They then drive off in their respective dark blue Ford Escorts. One of the bar staff recognised the male as being a colleague of her father and that he was in the CID...!

 

[maximus otter]

Here is a full, detailed report from Andy Collins in the FSR:

http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/ufologia/Collins Abeley Abduction 1977,FSR78V23N6.pdf

The area on the 1:50,000 OS map:

The locus as seen looking from North to South on Google Earth:

Note presence of Damyns Hall aerodrome to West of the locus

maximus otter

 

[Paul_Exeter]

One possible source for a bank of green fog would be a temporary traffic light associated with roadworks - in a patch of mist or fog such a traffic light could become a spooky, luminous emerald haze. I've currently got a set of temporary traffic lights visible from my window - they were somewhat disconcerting until I figured out what they were.

Of course, I've got no idea whether there were any temporary traffic lights there, in Aveley.

Good shout, also the ramp @BS3. in other words a classic case of highway hypnosis and a sudden change to the environment of the route they were so familiar with. Interesting that he comments on the lack of other traffic at least twice during the journey, so did they somehow miss a diversion due to roadworks taking place on their intended route? However, there is the missing time to account for.

Those powerlines are another factor, as @BS3 has highlighted, and then we have an airfield to boot...! have to say there re no shortage of potential rational 'culprits' at play here.

This is the blue light discharge from a power line, however it is during a storm:

I will state that although we can look at rational explanations for some or all of what happened to them, it is still a remarkable case and an unnerving chain of events on a dark and lonely road that night. I feel it is important not to diminish their experience in the search for answers.
How often has anyone witnessed continual blue plasma discharge from power lines that have travelled for such a distance? That in itself would have been quite something. Whilst we have a Fortean duty to consider possible earthly causes, I am also not discounting a paranormal explanation.

 

[BS3]

I live in Forest Gate for a while. Other interesting denizens of Forest Gate included Arnold Swarznegger and Barry Winsor-Smith, who illustrated the first issues of Conan the Barbarian. Obviously a Fortean place.

I worry that Avis may have been projecting his own obsessions onto the rest of the family, who went along with it for their own reasons.

Note that Avis was also a repeat witness; he'd seen UFOs twice before (including once in the early 60s, over the sea at Walton-on-the-Naze, while 'courting' Elaine) and would have a very similar sighting to the Aveley one in 1977.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't remember the name of the woman who appeared on a documentary after she had encountered a UFO and pink-eyed aliens whilst driving with her husband in the south of England back in the 1970s. Certainly the description was similar to that of Avis under hypnosis.

Edit: here she is...

Some other parallels, including a mist or vapour

 

[BS3]

You know what, the FSR article said that Avis watched that very documentary in 1976.

The case above was from Winchester, Joyce Bowles and Ted Pratt.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

More Aveley UFOs:

"While it's cool that I know the area, the coincidences don't end there! My parents have actually had a UFO sighting in that exact area. It happened in around 2006, so quite a long time after the Aveley abduction. They were driving home from a friends birthday dinner when my Dad spotted some strange lights in the sky. My Mum started watching them too as they both discussed what they could be. I remember them describing it to my brother and I when they got home and they also re-told the story to me after I arrived at their house after my flight and then I made them listen to the episode. My mum loved it, and loves sci-fi, paranormal stuff etc. She was hooked on William Shatner's Weird or What show, and shitty American true crime shows. She's definitely "a Mathas". My dad is completely the opposite and thinks you are all insane, even Jesse hahaha. Anyway, back to the UFOs."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChilluminatiPod/comments/130273o

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Arguably many of the better UFO accounts we have involve a airborne bright light (but not a structured craft) interacting with the witnesses and/or a mist or void, strange mental, spatial and time distortions, interference with vehicles, nausea afterwards, the OZ effect etc. That is, the interaction with some form of plasma (although it does often seem to display intelligence).

The actual aliens only appear later in the narrative and under dubious circumstances. That is, the use of hypnosis by self-titled UFO researchers with one aim and one aim only: to prove that extraterrestrials are visiting Earth in spaceships. This is in spite of many academics and other researchers having raised serious questions regarding the veracity of hypnosis for this purpose. So you have these sessions taking place many months or even years after the event with leading questions and often after the witness has accessed UFO literature. Then you have the influence of popular culture and its UFO obsession plus movies such as 'ET'. In fact, an alarming number of aliens drawn under hypnosis bare a remarkable resemblance to either Strieber's greys or Spielberg's ET (for example, Colin Wood's drawings after the A70 case which are effectively drawings of ET).

This is where the MoD belief in some form of plasma being responsible for many UFO reports appear to have originated:

"That study led to Churchill ordering the creation of an investigation unit into UFOs that matched the one created in the US as Project Blue Book.
In the UK that study became the UFO desk that operated from Whitehall right through to 2009 when, as reported above, it was shut down.

Noyes himself would rise in rank to run the full department including that UFO desk and oversaw those who manned it. This was over two decades before Nick Pope took the job in the 1990s and Noyes later told me how on taking the role he was shown gun camera footage of strange glows being chased by RAF planes. To him they were evidence of real unknown phenomena but did not appear to be craft or alien in origin."

http://www.ozfactorbooks.com/author-q--a.html

 

[eburacum]

Noyes was almost certainly wrong. Very few UFOs are caused by plasma-related phenomena, unless you count the plasma surrounding a meteor or bolide, or the plasma inside the Sun that causes solar luminosity (which sometimes causes parhelia-type effects).

It seems almost impossible to believe that coherent; long-lasting plasma-type phenomena could persist long enough to cause UFO reports, and even more incredible would be psychological effects caused by these phenomena. Noyes' opinions influenced the Condign report, either directly or indirectly; but they appear to be completely wrong.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Noyes was almost certainly wrong. Very few UFOs are caused by plasma-related phenomena, unless you count the plasma surrounding a meteor or bolide, or the plasma inside the Sun that causes solar luminosity (which sometimes causes parhelia-type effects).

It seems almost impossible to believe that coherent; long-lasting plasma-type phenomena could persist long enough to cause UFO reports, and even more incredible would be psychological effects caused by these phenomena. Noyes' opinions influenced the Condign report, either directly or indirectly; but they appear to be completely wrong.

When I was 16 I was hanging out on our village playing field with some mates. We were meant to be at school but it was that end of year exams time when if you didn't have any exams they didn't check if you were in. However, my parents definitely expected me to be in school so when the thunderstorm struck we sheltered as best we could under a porch in the village hall whilst working our way through packet of Marlboro (don't do it kids!).

As the storm was just passing what I can best describe as an orange fireball with a short fiery tail travelled across the sky at the height of a light aircraft (lowish altitude ). It travelled from the edge of the storm clouds in a straight line through a patch of open sky towards the west. I picked up a faint crackling sound but this may not have been from this fireball itself. It was in view for about three seconds before it entered cloud again. Ball lightning or plasma, it could certainly have generated a UFO report, especially at night.

 

[charliebrown]

I feel like I was an alien abduction at a young age, and it is very complicated.

It took years of flash’s backs to remember what happened to me.

The most bizarre was the “Oz Effect” which is no sound, no traffic noise from the outside street, no nothing.

The only way I can reason this is that my bedroom was inside a force field.

 

[John Fairclough71]

The same character who made the recent video about The Rainford Humanoid has made a video about this case as well:

 

[Paul_Exeter]

The same character who made the recent video about The Rainford Humanoid has made a video about this case as well:

Great find. There are plenty of similar narrations of old cases to be found on YouTube but this guy actually gets out there and visits the location.

Still think they encountered some sort of rare, Earthlights-eque plasma, which is no less Fortean for being natural in origin.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Great find. There are plenty of similar narrations of old cases to be found on YouTube but this guy actually gets out there and visits the location.

Still think they encountered some sort of rare, Earthlights-eque plasma, which is no less Fortean for being natural in origin.

Edit: ... although green mists and missing time etc are a part of fae folk lore as mentioned earlier in this thread. perhaps there is an 'alien' intelligence behind it, just not aliens in flying saucers

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Edit: ... although green mists and missing time etc are a part of fae folk lore as mentioned earlier in this thread. perhaps there is an 'alien' intelligence behind it, just not aliens in flying saucers

Could these incidents have something to do with alternate dimensions?

 

[catseye]

Re reading this thread I started wondering - perhaps he kept getting stopped and asked to produce his documents to a police station because there was a problem with his driving? Could a brain or eye problem have given rise to some of the things that were 'seen' and then continued to cause problems with driving...

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Re reading this thread I started wondering - perhaps he kept getting stopped and asked to produce his documents to a police station because there was a problem with his driving? Could a brain or eye problem have given rise to some of the things that were 'seen' and then continued to cause problems with driving...

Or the police may have put a marker on his car by mistake, for example he had a very similar registration to another car identical to his. I have red in the past of this happening and it was more likely back in the 1970s when there were fewer makes, models and colours of cars.