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The USS Cyclops & Her Sister Ships

krakenten

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Four big ships. All lost at sea, only one with a known fate. They were Proteus, Nerieus , Jupiter and Cyclops, colliers built to carry coal and refuel navy ships at sea.

Cyclops gets all the ink. Jupiter was converted into an aircraft carrier, the Langley, and then into a seaplane tender. Badly damaged by enemy action at the start if WWII she was sunk by gunfire and torpedos to keep her out of Japanese hands.

When oil replaced coal, Proteus and Nereus were sold off to be used as cargo vessels-ore carriers. These were big ships, the size of cruisers, Cyclops is the largest loss of life in US Navy history not sustained in combat, the other two, after being decomissioned carried a crew of about sixty. No matter, there were no survivors of any but Langley.

Was it Little Green Men? Pirates? the Bermuda Triangle? There are some very strange facts in this case .

All three ships were lost in the 'Bermuda Triangle', a zone that can be expanded to any dimensions that suit the writer. Proteus and Nereus had been mothballed for years, until the war brought them back into service.

I've looked into this one many times, and I got fooled by the recent report of the discovery of the wreck underwater-Many investigators overlook the loss of Nereus on an almost identical course as Cyclops, decades later..

Some facts, and my conclusions.

Cyclops captain, Commander Worley was German born(much of his life is obscure) and had been a merchant mariner for many years. He was known to be bad at navigation, and reports of very erratic behavior were many.

My conclusion: Worley may have been in the third stage of syphilis. The facts fit.

Examine the design of the ships. To move coal at sea, there was a system of girders and machinery that amounted to some serious top hamper, and an unstable ship. It may well be that Worley was retained by the Navy because he was experienced in handling this ship, and the loss of the others in WWII may have be due to officers who knew little about such odd vessels

There were severe storms and heavy seas when each ship was lost. No distress calls were ever logged and no submarine claimed them.

My conclusion: They turned turtle and sank quickly during storms. The flotsam was scattered by the rough weather..

And where are the wrecks? My friends, the sea is a very big place, where things get lost. Especially in war time.

There are reports that the colliers were poorly constructed, however, the Jupiter/Langley had a long and active career-there was some difficulty in scuttling her. Perhaps there was modification during her conversions?

Feel free to disagree, please.
 
Come, good people, these are classics, somebody has to be able to prove me full of wild blueberry muffins!
 
rynner2 said:

The captain of the Cyclops was a fine old salt:

Naval investigators discovered information from former crew members about Worley's habits. He would berate and curse officers and men for minor offenses, sometimes getting violent; at one point, he had allegedly chased an ensign about the ship with a pistol. Saner times would find him making his rounds about the ship dressed in long underwear and a derby hat.[16] Worley sometimes would have an inexperienced officer in charge of loading cargo on the ship while the more experienced man was confined to quarters. In Rio de Janeiro, one such man was assigned to oversee the loading of manganese ore, something a collier was not used to carrying, and in this instance the ship was overloaded, which may have contributed to her sinking.

Edit to fix typo.
 
My theory is that the four colliers' original design was structurally insufficient for the operations they endured. There were allegations and recorded data concerning structural problems with these colliers - particularly involving the main beams that comprised the ships' 'skeletons'.

The _Cyclops_ died earliest. There's plenty of 'just cause' for its disappearance without bringing the structural issues into it - it was definitely overloaded, one engine was inoperative, and there was a known major storm along its path on that final voyage.

The losses of _Proteus_ and _Nereus_ could well have been the result of their more extended periods of service (and stresses) with the structurally-questionable hulls. _Proteus_ was an active collier for circa 12 years; _Nereus_ for 9. _Cyclops_ disappeared only about 8 years into her active service life.

It also bears noting that both these ships were retired in the early 1920's (1922 for _Nereus_; 1924 for _Proteus_). They were eventually struck from the Navy's inventory in 1940 and sold to Canadian companies in 1941. So they had plenty of time to structurally 'rot'.

I think a key clue lies in the fact that the only one of this series of colliers to survive in operational service (_Jupiter_ / _Langley_) was also the only one to have ever been extensively rebuilt. This happened twice - once when it was converted into an aircraft carrier (1920 - 1922) and once when it was re-converted into a seaplane tender (1936 - 1937). The first of these conversions occurred after only 7 years of collier service.

During the first conversion (regardless of any structural modifications to the original hull) the massive bulk holds were subdivided. This means that the former collier obtained substantially more 'internal skeleton' to help reinforce the hull.

Another factor has to do with weight (and hence associated stresses on the hull). The fully-loaded displacement of the 1922 carrier _Langley_ was 39% lower than the fully-loaded displacement of the 1913 _Jupiter_.

In summary ... Once there were 4 identical ships. Three of them remained in their original form, and all three 'failed' (somehow, somewhere) in circa 8, 9, and 12 years of active originally-intended service (respectively).

The fourth put in 7 years of active originally-intended service, then was rebuilt (twice), resulting in an additional (circa) 19.5 years of active service in its new role.

Three colliers in original form = circa 29 combined years of service (average = circa 9.666 years each).

One collier rebuilt = circa 26.5 years of service (close to as much as the other three combined).
 
Another construction-related note on the _Proteus_ class colliers ...

The _Jupiter_ / _Langley_ was the only one of the four to have been originally constructed at a US Navy shipyard (Mare Island; northern California). The other three were built by commercial shipbuilder contractors on the east coast.
 
Ronson8 said:
How the hell was a loon like him allowed to command a ship?

He had been a captain for about 20 years when the Naval Auxiliary Service recruited him. I guess they didn't do much checking. The investigations took place after the ship disappeared.
 
That's the spirit!

For some reason, a lot of very crazy people are allowed to wield astonishing amounts of power, with little effective oversight. This almost always ends up costing the public considerable sums, but little is ever done about it.

The judicial system tolerates alcoholic, paranoid and senile judges, many sheriffs and police bosses are as bad or worse. The military has done a better job of eliminating the martinets and barking mad tyrants but some remain. Too many!

I'm betting that Worley was a victim of syphilis, often the onset of the madness is sudden.
 
I think we can remove this one from the status of inexplicable. Capsized in rough seas, went down fast.

Again we see how the 'fog of war' spawns mysteries-the immediate post war periods are almost as confusing. Sometimes worse, right after WWII a lot of people had a lot to hide.

And as for loony sea captains, think of that cruise ship? Or the Exxon Valdez? The list goes on, and on, and on!
 
Recently the captain of the Union Moon was jailed for 'drink driving'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17296113

The Union Moon cargo vessel is the green path, the blue path is a Stena ferry

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The unexplained made simple, thanks to the 'net, and the diligent Forteans!

Thanks to all who helped put this one to sleep-now, if we could find the wrecks......
 
chumpanzie said:
Was kraken to blame?
From the washington times, mar 23rd, 1919.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/ ... er+Monster

Could have been other reasons. The captain of the Cyclops was a fine old salt:

Naval investigators discovered information from former crew members about Worley's habits. He would berate and curse officers and men for minor offenses, sometimes getting violent; at one point, he had allegedly chased an ensign about the ship with a pistol. Saner times would find him making his rounds about the ship dressed in long underwear and a derby hat.[16] Worley sometimes would have an inexperienced officer in charge of loading cargo on the ship while the more experienced man was confined to quarters. In Rio de Janeiro, one such man was assigned to oversee the loading of manganese ore, something a collier was not used to carrying, and in this instance the ship was overloaded, which may have contributed to her sinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cyclops_(AC-4)

More at: http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48700
 
Another Nereus is lost at sea.

Nereus deep sea sub 'implodes' 10km-down

One of the world's most capable deep-sea research subs has been lost.

The robotic vehicle Nereus went missing while exploring one of the ocean's deepest spots: the Kermadec Trench, which lies north east of New Zealand.

Surface debris was found, suggesting the vessel suffered a catastrophic implosion as a result of the immense pressures where it was operating some 10km (6.2 miles) down. ...
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27374326
 
And although there’s still no trace of the Cyclops, there is, at least, an alternate explanation. It centers on a captain more eccentric than Ahab, with a fondness for “pacing the quarterdeck wearing a hat, a cane and his underwear,” and against whom some of his crew had already attempted a mutiny before they reached Barbados, per the Navy. As quoted in Gian Quasar’s book Distant Horizons, the U.S. Consul in Barbados wrote to the State Department following the ship’s disappearance, noting that the captain had appeared to be deeply disliked by his fellow officers, and that in suppressing the recent mutiny attempt, he had imprisoned members of his crew and executed one.

“While not having any definite grounds I fear fate worse than sinking,” the consul writes, “though possibly based on instinctive dislike felt towards master.” ...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...rance-may-have-been-botched-mutiny/ar-BBidK6V
 
This 2018 Baltimore Sun article notes the 100th anniversary of the Cyclops' disappearance and mentions a campaign to erect a monument to the 309 sailors who disappeared along with her. This was the single largest non-combat loss of life in US Navy history.
Baltimore-bound USS Cyclops vanished 100 years ago. Its fate remains a mystery
There should have been a clue: a distress call on the radio, a shard of wooden lifeboat, even a sailor’s cap. How could 309 men and their ship, a naval vessel bigger than a football field, just vanish?

One hundred years ago Tuesday, the USS Cyclops was due to steam up the Chesapeake Bay and dock in Baltimore at what is now Port Covington.

The ship still hasn’t shown up. ...

FULL STORY: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-uss-cyclops-20180312-story.html
 
...Commander Worley was...bad at navigation...

My conclusion: Worley may have been in the third stage of syphilis.

Harsh. l tend towards over-reliance on satnav, but l hope there’s no need to be checked for minge mice.

maximus otter
 
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