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Who Was Bluebeard?

MrRING

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Whilst reading about Bluebeard, I came across this aspect of it's history:

http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/bluebeard/history.html
Bluebeard was already a folk tale by the time Charles Perrault wrote it down and published it in 1697. The history of the tale is debated, but the popular opinion is that the tale developed from the legend of Gilles de Rais (aka de Retz) (Murphy 1996).

Gilles de Rais (1401?-1440) was a Marshal of France and served under Joan of Arc before her execution. He was a French national hero for helping drive the English out of France. After the crowning of the Dauphin and the death of Joan of Arc, de Rais settled into his estates in Brittany and turned deviant. He practiced alchemy and black magic while he was a great patron of the arts. He enjoyed killing, usually by decapitation, young boys after he he had sodomized them. His fame and influence kept people from noticing that children were disappearing from his lands. Some speculators think the story of Bluebeard arose among the peasantry to warn their children to stay away from the dangerous baron whom they had no other protection against due to his political and financial stature. Finally, the Duke of Brittany investigated the murders and dug up the remains of 50 boys in de Rais' castle. He confessed to 140 killings at his trial, but he might have killed up to 300 people. He was burned alive and hanged simultaneously for his crimes on October 26, 1440 (Mendoza 1998).

Other critics do not think the story is based upon the story of Gilles de Rais, but is actually based on older stories such as "Conomor and Triphine" and "Cupid and Psyche." This theory centers on Bluebeard's interpretation as a cautionary tale against curiosity and temptation (Warner 1994).

Yet another theory of Blue Beard's origins is centered upon the fairy tales being seen as women's stories, passed down through generations from mother to daughter. Bluebeard can also be interpreted as a cautionary tale about real life. The story isn't warning against temptation and curiosity in marriage, but the practical consequences of marriage. In the time when childbirth was a main cause of death for women, mothers warned their daughters that marriage could be deadly since you could be killed by your husband with the simple act of becoming pregnant by him. In this way, the tale loses its sadistic killer and becomes a tale of normal life (Warner 1994).

The tale of Bluebeard has been popular and well known more in the centuries prior to the 20th century. Now the tale is considered gruesome and horrific. Until recently, fairy tales have been sent to the nursery where they have been sanitized for young readers and listeners. The tale is not well known outside the circle of fairy tale afficiandos. The average person often mistakes Bluebeard for the infamous Black Beard, a pirate whose story has never been considered part of the fairy tale genre. Still, according to a survey of the Fairy Tale Indexes which are available, Bluebeard appeared in children's books fairly frequently prior to the 1940s and 1950s when it virtually disappears from fairy tale collections for children. Bluebeard is perhaps best known today through the recent translations by Jack Zipes (Zipes 1989) and in treatments such as Angela Carter's "The Bloody Chamber" (Carter 1979).

Is there another historical anticeant besides Giles that leaps to mind? Or is it a straight out fiction?
 
My gut reaction has always been that de Rais was framed, for one thing...

I'm not fond of source criticism that looks for "the real story" behind the story. It doesn't seem to me to acknowledge the way stories, and in this case particularly folk stories, are made. I'm willing to grant that fairy tales about serial wife murderers may have their origins in the fact that real serial spouse murder occurs - but looking for a specific murderer who started the stories seems to me both futile and reductionist, adding nothing to the experience of reading the story, and subtracting from the great pleasure of taking a story that stretches behind you into the dim unknown past and putting your own spin on it for the audience in front of you.

People riff off of real events when storytelling, but the process is obscure, complicated, and undocumentable. I don't see any benefit in attempting to tie story A to event B. Folk motifs, as we know from tracking urban legends, are freeform and uncontrollable. It is more likely (to borrow a phrase from Tolkien) that Gilles de Rais became attached to the story of Bluebeard, than that the story originated with him; claiming that it does diminishes the story by making it into something deriviative rather than creative. Criticism that doesn't enhance the story is not worth making.
 
Swiss metal band - Celtic Frost have a song all about him....

Gilles De Ray's... the perverted son
The holy man... hanged by nobility
Into The Crypts of Rays...
 
I watched a George Melies movie about Bluebeard. Didn't know the story untill then.
 
Bluebeard was a sissie. Pinkrinse was the scourge of the sea and everybody knows it.
 
Could it also be linked to the framing story of the "1001 Nights"? King Shahriyar (sp?) or whatever his name was is kind of similar...
 
Bluebeard

WAS there an "original" serial killer source for Bluebeard - or is the entire legend merely a highly-sexist cautionary tale warning young brides-to-be against prying too deeply into their future husbands' private and personal affairs?

If that second scenario is correct there is no actual historical source for Bluebeard, for the British equivalent "Mr. Fox" or for Charles Dickens' nurses' recension "Captain Murderer." In that latter version the bride enters the marriage knowing EXACTLY what her husband is and her design is to take the monster out, at the cost of her own life.
 
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