Men In Black

[taras]

A very strange article that I recall reading a few years back that places the MIB in a occult context.
People like Keel, Harpur, Vallee, etc place the MIB and the ufo phenom in more of an EDH than ETH model.

http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_001/mib.htm

Similar ground covered in Peter M. Rojcewicz - The "Men in Black" Experience and Tradition: Analogues with the Traditional Devil Hypothesis [Journal of American Folklore, Vol. 100, No. 396. (Apr-Jun 1987), pp 148-160]

(available from jstor.org if you're a student - or lucky enough to continue to have access despite no longer being a student!)

It starts rationally and ends up at tulpas, via Old Nick himself. Depends on your point of view, as ever...

Not sure how to reconcile MIB reports with my agree-with-Randles view that 99% of UFOs can be resolved to IFOs, and the rest are some kind of UAPs. Certainly, I would suggest that MIB fit much better into the trickster/fairies/demons traditions than with the UFO phenomenon.

If you believe that 'flying saucers' are caused by unexplained earth-related phenomena, then it could easily tie in with the above (and could lead, in a roundabout way, to explanations of 'alien' entities as something much closer to home, the 'old ones'.)

 

[dr_wu]

If you believe that 'flying saucers' are caused by unexplained earth-related phenomena, then it could easily tie in with the above (and could lead, in a roundabout way, to explanations of 'alien' entities as something much closer to home, the 'old ones'.)

This approach has been favored by Keel, Harpur, and even Vallee at times.
There is such a large content of high strangeness (historically also for centuries) to so many ufo sightings and contacts that it leads one to think we could be dealing with something other than alien space travelers.
Dr Vallee thinks they may be interdimensional, Keel says they are from the 'Superspectrum' and Harpur calls them daimons (the old Greek term for 'spirit being') from 'Daimonic Reality'.

 

[Cavynaut]

Men in Black seem to be little reported these days...if we are experiencing an upsurge in UFO reports I would have thought that they might be a little more active.

Has anyone heard of any recent appearances?

 

[rynner2]

Maybe, with the release of the UK's MOD files on UFOs, the age of cover-up is over: the military no longer feel the need to deny sightings.

It would be nice to think that this is a prelude to even greater revelations, but somehow I think not.

 

[Ginando]

Maybe, with the release of the UK's MOD files on UFOs, the age of cover-up is over: the military no longer feel the need to deny sightings.

It would be nice to think that this is a prelude to even greater revelations, but somehow I think not.

I'd agree, but I have also wondered recently whether there is an agenda regarding revelations made over the past few years. We had the martian meteor with it's alleged bacteria. Then there's detections of amino acids in space a few years ago, plus amino acids on comets fairly recently, water on Mars, water on the moon. Add to that the detections of planets orbiting other stars and it could be the authorities are gently preparing us for a much bigger announcement. You know, get us used to the idea that life could have started out in space, then move things up by saying 'Hey folks, look we found live bacteria on Mars' followed by 'NASA scientists discover primitive life below the ice of Europa' and so on. I wonder if it's softening us up prior to the confirmation that we are not alone after all.

 

[Moooksta]

I would have thought that they might be a little more active.

Unless they're doing their good job. Wonder how far mind control has advanced in the last ten years? Maybe they are out there we just don't hear about them anymore because all witnesses are terrified to come forward.

Doesn't folklore place MIB's at crossroads and now we have Black Triangle UFO's that seem to like highway connection points, they've been replaced!

When was the last sighting of an MIB? How long as it been?

1984 is the latest date I can find.

mooks out

 

[GNC]

Maybe they don't wear black anymore?

 

[rynner2]

Maybe they don't wear black anymore?

Maybe that explain why there seem to be more tatoos and piercings nowadays...

 

[GNC]

Maybe they don't wear black anymore?

Maybe that explain why there seem to be more tatoos and piercings nowadays...

I was only being half-facetious, after all the MIBs have had decades to get used to their surroundings so must be harder to spot these days, I would have thought.

 

[Moooksta]

Oh no, they're still out there and kicking around with the police in Southwark 2003 if the report from the new MOD files is to be believed.

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She said that at 01.00 this morning her Mother got up to get a drink and saw out of the window some lights, formed in a worm shape, wriggling around in the sky.

She said it hurts her eyes to look at it. There were also helicopters in the air.

At 3.15 the object reappeared and ...called Peckham Police again. They sent a Police car with two Policemen and two men in "space suits, with dark glasses who called themselves Mork and Mindy". These men told her not to look at the object because of possible radiation and they carried a transmitter which kept clicking. As her eyes were already hurting from looking at the object, they offered to wash them out with a solution, but she refused. They told her not to talk to anyone about this and certainly not the press in case it caused panic. They asked her and her mother what their birth signs were and asked if they had called an ambulance that day.

Classic MIB behaviour from London 2003 and good to see they haven't lost their sense of humour....Mork and Mindy :lol:

 

[GNC]

Great one! Sounds more like Men in Silver, mind you - Cumberland Spacemen style? The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

 

[SHAYBARSABE]

The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

Promotes confusion, and makes the story less credible. If you were at a bar and someone told you about MIBs asking for their birth sign, what you think about that person?

 

[GNC]

The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

Promotes confusion, and makes the story less credible. If you were at a bar and someone told you about MIBs asking for their birth sign, what you think about that person?

Didn't think of that! Damned clever, these MIBs. I wonder who trains them?

 

[Moooksta]

The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

Promotes confusion, and makes the story less credible. If you were at a bar and someone told you about MIBs asking for their birth sign, what you think about that person?

Didn't think of that! Damned clever, these MIBs. I wonder who trains them?

If you were in a bar and some one was talking to you about MIBs...

...what would think of that person?

If you were in a bar and someone asked you your starsign...

...what would think of that person? :lol:

 

[TinFinger_]

The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

Promotes confusion, and makes the story less credible. If you were at a bar and someone told you about MIBs asking for their birth sign, what you think about that person?

Didn't think of that! Damned clever, these MIBs. I wonder who trains them?

MI6+?

 

[Moooksta]

This East Dulwich/Peckham sighting gets even more interesting. This is the letter the witness sent to the MOD. I've highlighted some parts which I think are classic traits in UFO sightings.

Dear Sir,

We are in receipt of your letter dated 16th January ’03 and I reply on behalf of myself and my daughter.

Firs of all I would like to point out that neither my daughter or myself have no interest in flying saucers, UFO’s or the like and only informed Peckham Police Station because what we saw, by pure chance, was so unusual. We did not ask the police to come to our house as we did not feel threatened or frightened. It was their suggestion to come.

We do not doubt your integrity in the way you maintain air defence in the UK and we did not ask you to investigate anything on our behalf as your letter implies.

You also state in your letter that the two officers called on us at 3.15am. This is incorrect. Two officers called on 9/1/03 at approx. 2.15am. the same two officers came back at 3.15am, this time dressed in white forensics suits and black UV binocular glasses and they were accompanied by two other police officers in normal police uniforms. They told us they had made a definite confirmed sighting and advised us not to look at the object through binoculars as we had been doing. They asked us if we would like to see a Police Doctor or use a solution to bathe our eyes, although our eyes were smarting and watery we did not think we needed to see a doctor at that stage. The officers advised us that should our eyes worsen or if we developed head-aches we should call the station and the police doctor would come to examine this.

The officers asked us if we had called the media or told neighbours, which we had not and still haven’t. They suggested if any neighbours asked we should say we had a gas leak. They spoke as “Mork to Mindy” over their walkie- talkie and they asked us what our birth signs were. They also asked us if an ambulance had called at the house that day which we thought was a very strange thing to ask. His reply was “these things are attracted to ambulances”.

We have since learned that “Mork and Mindy” was a TV programme about aliens, your men have fed us with a lot of rubbish, presumably to make us look foolish and our story was unbelievable, which they succeeded in doing. The cruelest play of all came from a PC ______ (I doubt he exists) when my daughter phoned Peckham Police Station to request a visit the police doctor and he told her if she quoted CAD 670 when we attended the Rheumatology Clinic at Guys the following day 13/1/03 the doctor would know what to do. He said all hospital consultants and GP’s had been alerted to this code. Of course when we told the doctor this she wondered what on earth we were talking about. She phoned Peckham Police station and was told CAD 670 was our serial no. and they would not confirm our report of events. At this time my daughter, who was physically disabled and already had a lot to contend with medically, was feeling unwell and on the journey to hospital by ambulance could not bear the sun in her eyes and could not open her eyes fully. The Rheumatology Clinic could not help us and we were transferred to the A & E at St. Thomas’. The doctor tried to look into her eyes but when he shone a light into her eyes she suffered a severe seizure.

Now the situation is serious. Our G.P. Dr. _______ is arranging appointments for us both to see an eye specialist but we need to know what we are dealing with. Is there any danger of radiation in the eyes and if so how do we deal with it?

There is obviously a web of conspiracy and lies and whilst we realize that some matters must remain covert tp prevent public panic, we have, unfortunately, become involved and our health is at stake. It would be morally wrong to deny what took place and refuse to give doctors the covert guidelines on the kind of treatment we may need.

Your urgent reply is requested

Yours faithfully

_______________

Cc’ed to Rheumatology Clinic, Guy’s Hospital, London.

Initially it sounds like a close encounter of the 2nd kind! - physical evidence left behind.

It also sounds like "plod" having a slow night in mid - January and having a laugh at the woman's expense.

Anyone know what a CAD 670 code is or ever encountered it?


The reply from the MOD is also interesting though I'm not going to type it all out, in essence they make a defence issue and start using words like "terrorists" and making a point that on both occasions only two officers attended and the guys in the forensics suits were never there, which makes me think "plod" having a laugh.

But then you have the comment about "them liking ambulances".:?

So it might not be MIB's (or Men in White on this occasion) as I initially thought but there are a few things in the story that I thought I'd share in case you hadn't seen it in the papers.

 

[rynner2]

This East Dulwich/Peckham sighting gets even more interesting...

So it might not be MIB's (or Men in White on this occasion) as I initially thought but there are a few things in the story that I thought I'd share in case you hadn't seen it in the papers.

Yes, thanks for that, very interesting.

 

[GNC]

Thanks for that, sounds a bit Cash-Landrum-esque, though I hope the lasting effects were not as severe. "Attracted to ambulances" does sound like a grim joke, but also suggests similar incidents had happened before.

 

[Mythopoeika]

The detail about asking for birth signs is really odd, why not just ask for their birthdates?

Promotes confusion, and makes the story less credible. If you were at a bar and someone told you about MIBs asking for their birth sign, what you think about that person?

Didn't think of that! Damned clever, these MIBs. I wonder who trains them?

MI6+?

No, MI8.

 

[Moooksta]

The "they like ambulances" reminded me of the Mothman story of it flying after one of them. Or was it a UFO chasing a blood mobile?!

It's Friday...I'm having wine not looking in books.

 

[The English Rose]

Who do you think these guys are? What are your opinions?

I'm kinda torn between members of a secret Government agency that we don't know about and alien hybrids.

 

[henry]

so it isnt a fiction ?

 

[James_H]

I believe the original source for the Men in Black legend comes from UFO fan/witness Albert K. Bender. I read a book he wrote once, and he's quite clearly a fantasist, as it's completely outlandish. The original MIB story seems fine until you see it alongside all these other stories about flying saucers taking him to other planets, a hell-like kingdom in the centre of the earth, etc.

 

[The English Rose]

so it isnt a fiction ?

Hi Henry, some people who have had experiences of UFOs and have openly talked to people about it, have had encounters with unusual individuals dressed in black suits, telling them to stop talking about the subject.

There's quite a few documentaries about them on YouTube.

 

[henry]

you had linked to a feature film, i was remarking on that in the main, but also i suppose the subject as a whole, which ive always found a little spurious i suppose

 

[EnolaGaia]

The earliest version of what's now considered a 'men in black (MIB)' incident occurred in 1947. It occurred in relation to the Maury Island Incident:

mufon.com/maury-island-incident---1947.html
Link is obsolete. The current link is:
https://mufon.com/2021/05/14/maury-island-incident-1947/

One of the two reporting witnesses (Harold Dahl) claimed he was visited by a man in a black suit who advised him to keep quiet about the incident. This alleged visit was never substantiated beyond Dahl's claim, which was made long after the fact. However, there were actual events involving visits, investigations, and warnings ...

Within a month of the alleged incident Dahl and his boss (not a witness himself) were visited by Kenneth Arnold (the original 'flying saucer' witness, who'd transitioned into the first dedicated UFO researcher). Two USAAF officers who'd flown in also met with them while Arnold was there. Dahl allegedly gave some evidence to the USAAF officers, who departed and were killed when their plane crashed.

Owing to the plane crash and deaths, the USAF and the FBI got involved with formal investigations. Their initial conclusion was that the Maury Island incident was a hoax which had resulted in the deaths of two officers.

Those were the days of J. Edgar Hoover and his dress code - meaning that any FBI agents Dahl met were wearing dark business suits.

The FBI, at least, warned Dahl that if he'd shut up about the alleged UFO incident there'd be no referral for prosecution on charges of fraud.

So there you have it - all the elements of the MIB mythos, originating in one known incident.

By the time another couple of decades had passed the UFO community of interest had grown, fed on itself over and over, and began getting paranoid to the point conspiratorial repression had become part of the canon. It was in this later timeframe that today's MIB mythos was born, reflecting elements that dated back to the earliest highly-publicized UFO sightings / mania.

I don't doubt that folks reporting UFO incidents received contacts and / or personal visits. These would have included official Project Blue Book investigators, law enforcement personnel, self-anointed UFO experts, and anyone else who had an interest.

I strongly doubt all the reported such visits actually occurred or that those visits that did occur involved agents operating for a single organization under a single agenda.

 

[The English Rose]

WHERE ARE THE MEN IN BLACK ?

Has anyone had an encounter, or believed to have had an experience with a MIB(man in black) ? I believed I was mentally pressured (!) by one in a MacDonalds about ten years ago. This guy sat there with no food, immaculately dressed in a black suit and tie, white shirt and was over fifty, wide eyes and pushed back grey hair. My friend sensed him despite having his back to him. At the time I had recently seen a UFO!!! Although this guy could have been anyone, he just didn't seem right and usually people aren't allowed to sit in such a place without orderig anything. He just stared at me!

Not me personally, but I can imagine what it might be like.

 

[The English Rose]

I felt as though the guys eyes were staring through my skull! Yeah, he could have been anyone so I am not jumping to any conclusion that I definitely encountered a MIB, but my friend felt his presence. He stared for about ten minutes, no-one else joined him...he just didn't seem right. I realise this doesn't fully explain the guy or the feeling...I just wanted to know if anyone else had had encounters. These guys seem to have faded away in recent years.
I still think if I hadn't seen my UFO that he would still have freaked me out. The oppressive nature of his stare caused myself and two friends to leave the area. He looked like the weird guy out of POLTERGEIST 2.

In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, one of the interviewees said that an MIB walked passed her in the street without saying a word. So maybe they intimidate people in different ways. She also described his skin texture like it was immaculate, no wrinkles etc. Were you able to tell what his was like?

 

[Mythopoeika]

In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, one of the interviewees said that an MIB walked passed her in the street without saying a word. So maybe they intimidate people in different ways. She also described his skin texture like it was immaculate, no wrinkles etc. Were you able to tell what his was like?

English Rose, you won't get an answer from the OP. This is an old thread, and the original poster has probably left the FTMB (hence their name is now 'Anonymous').

 

[The English Rose]

English Rose, you won't get an answer from the OP. This is an old thread, and the original poster has probably left the FTMB (hence their name is now 'Anonymous').

Yes, I just noticed that.
I didn't realised that my thread had emerged with this one.