Hi, do you think that magic is becoming more and more psycopathyc? That is atracting bullysh people, and geting violent?
Why is happening this? What do you think?
Teenagers will be into anything for the sex.I cannot comment on whether magic is becoming more and more psychopathic now. But as a teenager in the '70s the self-proclaimed practitioners of it, all big Crowley fans, whom I knew were certainly in it for money and sex.
Teenagers will be into anything for the sex.
.. as a teenager in the '70s the self-proclaimed practitioners of it, all big Crowley fans, whom I knew were certainly in it for money and sex.
Now it's tempting to speculate that there's an element who view it as a means to control.
I feel that as stu says is getting more on the control and power side...
A common thread running through the above quotes: in this context, sex is about power, and — often — power is about sex.They weren't teenagers though, they were mainly men in their 20s/30s recruiting youngsters...
One, offended by my scorn, threatened...
[magic is] about as effective as prayer...
Like being in a rock band.I cannot comment on whether magic is becoming more and more psychopathic now. But as a teenager in the '70s the self-proclaimed practitioners of it, all big Crowley fans, whom I knew were certainly in it for money and sex.
Sounds really intriguing! Thank you for explainingIs a kind of virtual mágic lodge, we work around interactions between Science and Hermetics. we will do a online meeting on very basic magic skills for people without any magic knowledge soon, description of some COT, points of view about the topic are more widely explained on the attached documents posted on the forum tread about Announcements. We will use very known, magic technics mainly about dream work, in COT, we are quite heterogeneous about the technics and more focused on the magic objective that we think that has been, more and more forgotten by the last century Hermetic schools. People tell me that people involved on magic tend to be very self interest goals, but I think that it leaves a lack of wider interest that becomes frustrating for many people too.
He didn't turn you into a.... snail?They weren't teenagers though, they were mainly men in their 20s/30s recruiting youngsters. At least 10 years older than I was.
One, offended by my scorn, threatened to send something to my house to teach me a lesson.
Yeah, go on, Wanker, can't wait.
People are becoming more like that, generally?Hi, do you think that magic is becoming more and more psycopathyc? That is atracting bullysh people, and geting violent?
Why is happening this? What do you think?
Naaah, I was FAR too quick for him.He didn't turn you into a.... snail?
But a posh French snail, no lessNaaah, I was FAR too quick for him.
Until he turned me into a snail. :grumpy:
But a posh French snail, no less
It's pure vanity to think there's a divine force that sits around granting wishes.I believe in neither. However, I came across an interesting reversal of an old story about prayer yesterday.
The original version takes this format: a devout man's house is hit by floods. He climbs on the roof and prays to God to save him. A rowing boat turns up and the occupants invite him to climb aboard. Being devout, he say, "No, thank you. God will save me." He similarly refuses assistance from another rowing boat and, later from a helicopter, before finally drowning. Later, in heaven, he confronts God: "I was devout, I believed, and I prayed to you in my hour of need, and you let me drown." "I can't understand it," says God, "I sent two rowing boats and a helicopter." (There are many versions of this, going back at least to classical Greek times.)
The interesting reversal: An Alaskan atheist is caught out in a blizzard and loses his way. Fearing that he will freeze to death, he breaks his own rules and prays desperately to God to save him, saying, "Save me, and I will believe in you." He slips into unconsciousness, and wakes up later in his cabin having been carried in by two Inuit men who had found him.
Later, he is telling the story to a religious friend. His friend says, "So, you must believe in God now. After all, you're here to prove it."
"No, says the man, I was just found by two Inuit men who were passing."
The point being that events happen and we choose whether to ascribe them to prayer, or magic (etc.) according to our pre-existing beliefs and expectations.
So, yes, you are right: magic is probably about as effective as prayer. The real question is, how effective is that?
magic is becoming more and more psycopathyc?
Do you no longer practice?When I was a practising magician I never worked or engaged with other magicians.
I have no idea what they were in it for. I certainly was never in it for personal power. More, as an exploration into inner and outer space.
It does, however, stand to reason that some will use techniques that are intended to elicit changes through will for very selfish and potentially harmful goals. Human nature.