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A Conspiracy Theory About Conspiracy Theories

Justin_Anstey

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Is it possible that many of the more, shall we say, eccentric conspiracy theories have been created by Them? This could be not just to throw people off the scent, but also to discredit their believers by making them seem ridiculous to everybody else.

-Justin.
 
The politics of weirdness does lead into a hall of mirrors.

Concern with what is happening in the skies may well take
people's minds off material concerns.

On the other hand, Forteana also seems to be a form of
dissent in which ordinary people assert
the truth of their own perceptions and beliefs in the face
of the prevailing orthodoxies.

Sponsored weirdness is a subject that hasn't been explored
fully so far as I know. The tendency has been to regard strange
stories as the product of lazy reporting and the operation of a
market where corrections are less interesting than the errors.

However, I have been struck by the extent to which stories on
this site and elsewhere can be traced back to one major player:
the Reader's Digest. The interest of this organization in manipulation,
whether by its notorious Special Offers or by psychologically-programmed
Mood Music albums is well documented, as is its essentially
right-wing political agenda.

It could be simple market-forces, of course: they always paid well
for submissions, though the homogenized editorial policy never
appealed to serious writers. I suppose it rumbles on, but with
so many of its clothes stolen by the web, I doubt if it has the
influence it had in the mid to late twentieth century. :rolleyes:

As regards political conspiracy theories, the politics are deliberately
confusing. Take Larouche, originally a Democrat, whose material
is a brantub of Leftist and Rightist sentiments. Disorientation is the
name of the game and it is a politics of suspicion and hate which
needs enemies. The original targets were old-money US families but
the mythos shifted to the Rothschilds and the UK Royal Family later.
It is from this mare's nest that Icke developed his lizard hypothesis.

Is there a grand plan to keep our eyes off the real ball? Well that
is a conspiracy theory in itself. Difficult to say whether people
believe their own material but madmen have always gained a
certain following, because they seem so certain. :eek:
 
In another thread I suggested the possibility that conspiracy theories (which predominantly target as villains anyone in authority or power, including, of course, governments) could be the responsibility of a "Them" intent on destabilising the world.

Consider the case of Timothy Mc'Veigh. A range of conspiracy theories (ZOG, New World Order, etc,) led him to do what he did. Ironically, now there are conspiracy theories around which claim that the US government was *really* behind it, and that he was just some unfortunate stooge...

In reality I think that we all have a tendency to see things in the shadows. (It does make you think though...)
 
Grudge-13

And don't forget the Grudge-13 affair: the possibility that the USAF fed disinformation on UFO sightings and contact to its men - including information analyst Bill English - in order to find out who would leak the story. English did, thus identifying himself.
There's also the tragic Paul Bennewitz case, driven bonkers by disinformation and conspiracy
 
I have no doubt that some major figures/groups are unwittingly receiving funding from companies or organisations with interests in their field.
 
I have no doubt that some major figures/groups are unwittingly receiving funding from companies or organisations with interests in their field.

Sorry, not sure I follow, can you elaborate on this?
 
Is it possible that many of the more, shall we say, eccentric conspiracy theories have been created by Them? This could be not just to throw people off the scent, but also to discredit their believers by making them seem ridiculous to everybody else.

-Justin.
Or just lead any dissenting people down a blind alley where they can do no harm to those in power?

I have long held a view that people in positions of power/organisations could/might be creating social movements/protest etc to actually control any real threat to their power.

Certain public speakers might seem like lone individuals but are they really what they seem? Are they really a covert member of the establishment playing the public like a pied piper?

Leading people down blind alleys, distracting them from what is really going on underneath? Leading people to put their work into activities that will not change anything despite their intentions?

The amount of information we are flooded with now - and news stories that blow up suddenly for no reason (I suspect to bury other news - but who benefits from this?)

I think of all the possibilities and it is quite depressing. Because my conclusion is that anything we do is constrained or controlled by a force (or forces) beyond our control and we can't escape this however we try!
 
Sorry, not sure I follow, can you elaborate on this?
Ok, um... let's assume that someone's trying to build a profile on the back of claims that Group X or Product Y or Person Z are unsafe/dangerous/etc. This comes to the attention of a rival or competitor, who, seeing a potential advantage here, use front groups or individuals to donate to this individual's grift. They're not actively involved with this person or movement, they're just making sure their claims get out where they can damage their opponent.
That's the best I can do at the moment - it's getting late and I'm a bit tired, sorry if it's still not clear.
 
Ok, um... let's assume that someone's trying to build a profile on the back of claims that Group X or Product Y or Person Z are unsafe/dangerous/etc. This comes to the attention of a rival or competitor, who, seeing a potential advantage here, use front groups or individuals to donate to this individual's grift. They're not actively involved with this person or movement, they're just making sure their claims get out where they can damage their opponent.
That's the best I can do at the moment - it's getting late and I'm a bit tired, sorry if it's still not clear.

Thank you, that's clear. Makes sense.
 
Theoretical example: Stop Oil being funded in their dumb-butt "put stuff on museum paintings" by big oil interests, to get the public to say 'Stop Oil <and by extension their cause> are a bunch of idiots'.

That was my original interpretation. A friend of mine somewhat involved in activist circles, actually thinks Just Stop Oil may have been created by the oil industry, he says that they more or less came out of nowhere. He's not someone who is a fan of conspiracy theories either.

I think the wackier conspiracy theories (most of them?) are a boon to The Powers That Be, as they draw attention from the actual nefariousness they are indulging in.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon
 
That was my original interpretation. A friend of mine somewhat involved in activist circles, actually thinks Just Stop Oil may have been created by the oil industry, he says that they more or less came out of nowhere. He's not someone who is a fan of conspiracy theories either.

I think the wackier conspiracy theories (most of them?) are a boon to The Powers That Be, as they draw attention from the actual nefariousness they are indulging in.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon
I'd like to think so, but unfortunately I suspect that they are just a deluded bunch who think that destroying works of art and blocking roads will change anything.
 
I'd like to think so, but unfortunately I suspect that they are just a deluded bunch who think that destroying works of art and blocking roads will change anything.

The membership are certainly just that but the inception, steering and funding may have had an outside hand.

One could of course say that all manner of protest groups but JSO are one of the ones that make me consider that the most.
 
I'm certain this sort of thing happens a lot, provoke folk into taking actions and stances that in the longer term undermine their cause.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jul/20/police-spy-on-climate-activists-unlawful
https://www.declassifieduk.org/britains-secret-political-police/

I would suggest that this -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pygw71w3go is very likely an example - that Dr is both now an"example" and won't be taken as seriously as they once were as the result of fairly mild but in this case unwise action.

"A high court judge jailed Dr Benn for eight days on remand for protests on 26 April and 4 May, after she failed to answer her bail on 4 May and instead attended the demonstration."

Courts really don't like you doing that sort of thing - regardless of reason

Also

"The tribunal said in its findings: "The public must be able to trust that doctors will always act within the law.""

and that now makes her a much less serious threat to anyones agenda.
Wonder if she had any "friendly" fellow activist encouraging her ?
 
I would suggest that this -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pygw71w3go is very likely an example - that Dr is both now an"example" and won't be taken as seriously as they once were as the result of fairly mild but in this case unwise action.

"A high court judge jailed Dr Benn for eight days on remand for protests on 26 April and 4 May, after she failed to answer her bail on 4 May and instead attended the demonstration."

Courts really don't like you doing that sort of thing - regardless of reason

"Dr Benn, who had already given up practising in August 2022, said that as a doctor, she had a moral duty to take action to protect life and health."

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"As a dentist, I have a moral duty to firebomb the Cadbury's factory."

"As an English teacher, I have a moral duty to hack into this government website and fix typos."

If you want to protest, protest, but let's not wrap it up in spurious nonsense.
 
"Dr Benn, who had already given up practising in August 2022, said that as a doctor, she had a moral duty to take action to protect life and health."

================================


"As a dentist, I have a moral duty to firebomb the Cadbury's factory."

"As an English teacher, I have a moral duty to hack into this government website and fix typos."

If you want to protest, protest, but let's not wrap it up in spurious nonsense.
As a pedant, I have a moral duty to sit in the road until the council rolls back on the plans to ban apostrophes from street name signs.
 
"Dr Benn, who had already given up practising in August 2022, said that as a doctor, she had a moral duty to take action to protect life and health."

================================


"As a dentist, I have a moral duty to firebomb the Cadbury's factory."

"As an English teacher, I have a moral duty to hack into this government website and fix typos."

If you want to protest, protest, but let's not wrap it up in spurious nonsense.
Yes, but now she is not just an ex practising Doctor, but a convicted criminal. So future headlines can be spun to highlight that and make her appear less credible is more my take on it. Media take great care on how they frame the way someone is presented to suit their own agenda.
 
Honestly, I worry that we have a tendency to overthink all this.

Sometimes - well, okay...quite a lot most of the time actually - people don't need any outside help whatsoever to act like dicks. As human beings it's something we're naturally really rather good at.
 
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