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We have looked at the intelligence and culture of chimps:
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monkeys:
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cetaceans:
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and crows:
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and this is for more general discussion of avian intelligence:
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monkeys:
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and crows:
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and this is for more general discussion of avian intelligence:
Birdbrain doesn't mean stupid
Maggie Fox
Reuters
Tuesday, 1 February 2005
Birds are not stupid and their brains are not primitive so it is about time the scientific world gave them full credit, experts say.
An international group of avian experts is taking on the slow-moving world of scientific nomenclature, calling for a new map of the avian brain that reflects its true structure.
The current system dates back 100 years and suggests a bird's brain is mostly basal ganglia, and that this area controls primitive brain function and instinctive behaviour.
In fact neither is true, the researchers argue in the latest issue of the journal Nature Reviews Neuroscience.
Bird brains more closely resemble human brains and even so, the basal ganglia is not a primitive region, says US researcher and lead author Assistant Professor Erich Jarvis of Duke University in North Carolina.
"Stop calling people birdbrains meaning stupid. Take it as a compliment," Jarvis says.
A slur on birds
Jarvis, who studies how birds learn vocalisations such as bird songs and imitated speech in parrots, says bird behaviour can be surprisingly complex.
They can use tools and songs, imitate human language to communicate, and can count.
"They can lie. You can teach a pigeon to do something that will have another pigeon get food for a reward. You can find a female pigeon that will pretend a reward for food is coming and then she eats it instead of her mate," Jarvis says.
Jarvis says he is not only defending the intellect of birds.
"We should be able to get more insight into how the human brain works, too."
For instance, "primitive" regions of avian brains are actually sophisticated processing regions that similar to those in mammals, the group says.
"There is strong interest across neuroscience in using birds as models for learning and development, and migratory and social behaviour."
He says some birds have evolved cognitive abilities that are far more complex than in many mammals.
"We believe that names have a powerful influence on the experiments we do and the way in which we think," the researchers write.
Scientists confused too
Jarvis says it was important to change the nomenclature because it was even confusing scientists.
"People would call me up and ask me how birds could do something complex when their brains were so primitive," Jarvis says.
The names scientists use to describe a bird's brain structure date back 100 years to a German scientist, Dr Ludwig Edinger, who is considered the founder of comparative neuroanatomy.
"A lot went into trying to support the idea of a human's place in the evolutionary scheme of animals. They didn't follow Darwin's view that evolution was a tree," Jarvis says.
They tried to link it to religion, a linear system where God created one creature, not good enough, then created another creature, not good enough and then created human, perfect," he adds.
"It was beautiful story but it wasn't true."
The bird experts calling for the change in nomenclature include those from the US, Germany, Hungary, Spain, Australia, New Zealand and the UK.
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Scientists propose sweeping changes to naming of bird neurosystems
Researchers now see birds’ cognitive ability as more comparable to mammals
Duke University neurobiologist Erich Jarvis and a team of 28 other neuroscientists have proposed sweeping changes to the terminology associated with the brain structures of birds--a century-old nomenclature the researchers consider outdated and irrelevant to birds’ true brainpower.
The international research group concludes in a Feb. 2005, paper published in Nature Reviews Neuroscience that significant discoveries made over time reveal that birds are much closer to mammals in cognitive ability, and therefore, a new consistency in language will enhance studies of both.
In the journal’s "Perspectives" column, authors describe a wide range of studies demonstrating that the so-called "primitive" regions of avian brains are actually sophisticated processing regions homologous to those in mammals. Those studies, which included tracing of neural pathways and behavior, showed that such avian brain regions carry out sensory processing, motor control and sensorimotor learning just as the mammalian neocortex. The scientists add that molecular studies reveal the avian and mammalian brain regions are comparable in their genetic and biochemical machinery.
In the same column, Jarvis and members of the Avian Brain Nomenclature Consortium reason that the old view of evolution in birds is no longer valid. Citing technical revisions to the nomenclature that were published in a May 2004, issue of the Journal of Comparative Neurology, consortium members assert in the new article that the old terminology--which implied that the avian brain was more primitive than the mammalian brain--has hindered scientific understanding.
"We believe that names have a powerful influence on the experiments we do and the way in which we think," wrote the authors of the new report. "Our current understanding of the avian brain requires a new terminology that better reflects these functions and the homologies between avian and mammalian brains."
The consortium’s efforts were supported by the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Lead author Jarvis organized the Duke conference in 2002 that brought together the many researchers in neuroscience and neuroanatomy to undertake discussions of the needed changes.
The group believed the previous terminology and associated concepts of how to define avian brain structure and avian brain evolution stymied efforts to directly link discoveries in the avian brain with those of other mammals. Jarvis, whose seminal work in vocal learning in birds garnered him $500,000 in 2002 as recipient of NSF’s Waterman Award, acknowledged that the award came at a critical time in his work with the consortium.
"The impact of this work will go far beyond simple comparative anatomy," Jarvis said. "There is strong interest across neuroscience in using birds as models for learning and development, and migratory and social behavior."
The revision of the nomenclature for avian brains would replace a system developed in the 19th century by Ludwig Edinger, considered the father of comparative neuroanatomy. Edinger’s system was based on a then-common practice of combining Darwin’s recent theory of evolution and Aristotle’s old concept that there exists a natural "scale" of creatures from lowest to highest. The prevailing views became that evolution was progressive from organisms with "lower" intelligence to those with "higher" intelligence and that evolution had a purpose--the generation of humans.
In the new view, the neocortex and related areas in the mammalian brain are derived from a region in the embryonic cerebrum called the pallium, or covering, a very different conclusion from Edinger’s, which considered this region in the bird cerebrum part of the basal ganglia.
The consortium’s work actually began in 1997, and was organized by Jarvis, Anton Reiner of the University of Tennessee Health Science Center in Memphis, Martin Wild of the University of Auckland in New Zealand, and other neurobiologists, who called themselves the "ThinkTank." Encouraging scientists to adjust their traditions and thinking based on new knowledge coming from the field had a rocky start, so the effort to change avian brain nomenclature turned into a seven-year project, with a steady add-on of new recruits. This effort culminated in the international scientific forum at Duke University in 2002, from which the new nomenclature was developed.
"We knew that we were doing something that may have an impact, not only on the immediate conduct of research in neuroscience, but on neuroscience for the next hundred years," said Jarvis. "And this nomenclature will help people understand that evolution has created more than one way to generate complex behavior--the mammal way and the bird way. And they’re comparable to one another. In fact, some birds have evolved cognitive abilities that are far more complex than in many mammals."
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