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Britain's Trillion Pound Horror Story

Watched this and despite a very dry subject was very entertained and what's more it was interesting to see some counter-intuitive solutions to the problem that have worked for others in a similar position.

Depressingly I fear in our marginal government no-one would have the cojones to implement them.
 
I thought it was a fascinating experience, watching this. Almost every idea expounded appeared to be against the social, moral and ethical principles I've stood by throughout my life, and yet I found a lot of them to be compellingly convincing as an answer to our current woes. Consequently, I now find myself utterly confused about where my politics really lie. Help! :D
 
Lucy Mangan's take on the Martin Durkin´s 'documentary', in the Guardian, 'Is Hong Kong paradise? Was Adam Smith God?':
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/nov/12/britains-trillion-pound-horror-story-tv-review

Might be worth pointing out that Durkin made, 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. Some might even be driven to say that Durkin has the reputation, in some quarters, of being a devious, deceptive, lying liar, with previous.

Channel 4's very own, in-house, 'Loose Change' maker. :?
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
Might be worth pointing out that Durkin made, 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. Some might even be driven to say that Durkin has the reputation, in some quarters, of being a devious, deceptive, lying liar, with previous.
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That's as may be, but a lot of what he said has the ring of truth about it. It's obvious that we do have a bloated and essentially non-productive public sector, and an attitude that we can keep the economy ticking over nicely just by taking in each other's washing.

But in the real world people need to produce food and trade goods to generate the real money to pay for public services.

If nothing else, the programme clarified and reinforced my understanding of why I dislike the EU so much - because it's yet another layer of useless and expensive bureaucracy imposed on top of our own already top heavy government machine.

Perhaps this thread should be merged with the Credit Crunch thread, which is also discussing why and how countries are bankrupting themselves, in Europe and elsewhere.
 
I watched that documentary last night, and I pretty much agreed with everything said.
4.8 trillion is just frightening.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
Lucy Mangan's take on the Martin Durkin´s 'documentary', in the Guardian, 'Is Hong Kong paradise? Was Adam Smith God?':
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/nov/12/britains-trillion-pound-horror-story-tv-review

Might be worth pointing out that Durkin made, 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. Some might even be driven to say that Durkin has the reputation, in some quarters, of being a devious, deceptive, lying liar, with previous.

Channel 4's very own, in-house, 'Loose Change' maker. :?
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Time will tell the truth,but why dont the BBC do one on this,and lets here it from the horses mouths if this is true or not who is telling the lies.
You would think the PM and his side kick would love to defend them self but nothing yet,now that would be worth watching.

Government debt of the United Kingdom some one telling lies

http://cluaran.free.fr/debt.htm

And it no better in USA

US debt clock runs out of digits
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7660409.stm
 
Any documentarian who uses Kelvin McKenzie to get his message across is welcome to all the invective he provokes although I get the impression that was the point of the programme. It was a bombardment of wonky assertions, simplistic arguments and power-point graphics dressed up as gospel truth that was somewhere between Michael Moore and the even nuttier youtube auteurs. In many respects I'd agree with a lot of what was said last night but with various caveats, caveats which were expunged in the name of shock-and-awe polemic.

And don't get me started on the bloody Taxpayers Alliance. :x
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Any documentarian who uses Kelvin McKenzie to get his message across is welcome to all the invective he provokes..
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Woah! Did I miss something? Where did KM appear or get quoted?
 
johncbdg1 said:
You would think the PM and his side kick would love to defend them self but nothing yet,now that would be worth watching.
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The current PM and Mr Clegg? Defend themselves?
Why, what did they do wrong?
They certainly didn't run up a £4.8 trillion debt.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
And don't get me started on the bloody Taxpayers Alliance. :x
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Go on, tell us more.
I wasn't aware that the Taxpayers' Alliance had done anything wrong. Haven't they been warning us for years about runaway government spending?
 
Mythopoeika said:
ted_bloody_maul said:
And don't get me started on the bloody Taxpayers Alliance. :x
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Go on, tell us more.
I wasn't aware that the Taxpayers' Alliance had done anything wrong. Haven't they been warning us for years about runaway government spending?
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They're rent-a-quote partisans who the 'outraged' right-wing press go to for a bit of ill-informed 'fury' and knee-jerk commentary on the latest 'scandal'. I'm amazed at how much expertise they seem to have acquired in practically every human endeavour that government has spent money on not to mention their rapid and shrewd analysis of the intricacies of stories they've just been handed. I'm also amazed at how, for a group that wants the best deal for the British taxpayer, they failed to comment on the revelation that Lord Ashcroft was stiffing us for so long.
 
Mythopoeika said:
johncbdg1 said:
You would think the PM and his side kick would love to defend them self but nothing yet,now that would be worth watching.
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The current PM and Mr Clegg? Defend themselves?
Why, what did they do wrong?
They certainly didn't run up a £4.8 trillion debt.
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I must agree they never did anything wrong,in the running up the debt,but they could tell us all the real amount of it.
I for one would like to see Scotland on there own now,as no matter who gets in at num10 it is lie after lie,even Mr Clegg looks more like a silly boy running after his master,and all Cleggs dreams of being in num 10 at any cost has made him into a parrot nothing new just lie after lie.
He Mr Clegg wants to stand up for himself and not lay back and roll over he is weak and his party see that now.
 
They're rent-a-quote partisans who the 'outraged' right-wing press go to for a bit of ill-informed 'fury' and knee-jerk commentary on the latest 'scandal'. I'm amazed at how much expertise they seem to have acquired in practically every human endeavour that government has spent money on not to mention their rapid and shrewd analysis of the intricacies of stories they've just been handed. I'm also amazed at how, for a group that wants the best deal for the British taxpayer, they failed to comment on the revelation that Lord Ashcroft was stiffing us for so long.
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Front group for the eye-swivelling Tea Party wing of the Tory Party.

Vile.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Any documentarian who uses Kelvin McKenzie to get his message across is welcome to all the invective he provokes although I get the impression that was the point of the programme. It was a bombardment of wonky assertions, simplistic arguments and power-point graphics dressed up as gospel truth that was somewhere between Michael Moore and the even nuttier youtube auteurs. :x
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Rather.

After reading "Shock Doctrine" a few years ago I have to say that it has lead me to question the reasons for the implementation of policies. This pro-conservative documentary (on C4 too?) for me just intended to sow particular seeds in our collective consciousness. Capitalism good...socialism baaaaad. Now that's scary. Capitalism GOT US IN THIS MESS.
 
After reading "Shock Doctrine" a few years ago I have to say that it has lead me to question the reasons for the implementation of policies.
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There's very little doubt in my mind that Osborne & Co, with the help of their tame friends in the media, are pushing a highly dubious narrative about the state of the country's finances in an attempt to frighten everyone into going along with what is, at its heart, an ideological attack on the welfare state. It's disappointing that Labour seem to be doing nothing to challenge this narrative, and even more disappointing how many otherwise intelligent people seem to have been brainwashed by this nonsense.[/quote]
 
Quake42 said:
There's very little doubt in my mind that Osborne & Co, with the help of their tame friends in the media, are pushing a highly dubious narrative about the state of the country's finances in an attempt to frighten everyone into going along with what is, at its heart, an ideological attack on the welfare state.
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As in the wholly inaccurate comparisons with the Greek economy during the election campaign.
 
One way out UK must split up each country on their own,AND START AGAIN


Now i would love that.
 
johncbdg1 said:
One way out UK must split up each country on their own,AND START AGAIN


Now i would love that.
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I've no doubt you'd love that but I'm intrigued as to how this is going to help anything let alone be remotely practical at this point.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
johncbdg1 said:
One way out UK must split up each country on their own,AND START AGAIN


Now i would love that.
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I've no doubt you'd love that but I'm intrigued as to how this is going to help anything let alone be remotely practical at this point.
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First we take the hit and dump all the old way,split up the total and start again in our own new country,and currency,what was lost is lost just like a bet gone done lost,the rest is a secret,as and if we split.
 
johncbdg1 said:
First we take the hit and dump all the old way,split up the total and start again in our own new country,and currency,what was lost is lost just like a bet gone done lost,the rest is a secret,as and if we split.
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That seems straightforward enough, can't see any complications with that. Have you thought about submitting this plan to the treasury? Maybe the IMF too?
 
The problemette is that all your bank belong to us....
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
johncbdg1 said:
First we take the hit and dump all the old way,split up the total and start again in our own new country,and currency,what was lost is lost just like a bet gone done lost,the rest is a secret,as and if we split.
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That seems straightforward enough, can't see any complications with that. Have you thought about submitting this plan to the treasury? Maybe the IMF too?
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Now it s time to split the UK up,and all go our own way,they know this is the way forward,its all coming to a head now,i have nothing against any of people who live in UK,but its time to do this split,They will be printing more money soon and when the interest rate takes a hike soon it will bring on more misery for the less well off,if this keeps heading this way they will end up with huge riots,

Britain claims victory over EU budget rises
David Cameron yesterday claimed to have achieved a "spectacular success" over European spending, despite accepting that Britain would have to hand over £430m more to Brussels next year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 20503.html
 
There's very little doubt in my mind that Osborne & Co, with the help of their tame friends in the media, are pushing a highly dubious narrative about the state of the country's finances in an attempt to frighten everyone into going along with what is, at its heart, an ideological attack on the welfare state.
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Ain't that the truth.
 
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