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Britain's X Files

another good and rather fortean radio show is the james stannage show on manchester key103FM. he is on sunday to thursday 10pm till 2am. and has some very strange discussion. on a sunday night he has a special guest. my personal fave is the stockport ghost society, who frequent his show with tales of the unexpected from around the UK.
 
I had meant to catch the R4 show but missed it. Could Justin or
anyone who heard it post a quick summary and reaction? :)
 
I didn't expect to hear anything new from a broadcast documentary. What I thought would have been interesting was the message sent out to Radio4's audience, including those drawn to the programme by that ad I saw following the previous Sunday's episode of The X-Files.

Actually, the programme was more like a half hour ad for 'Out of the Shadows,' the new book by David Clarke and Andy Roberts, it was clearly based around interviews with them. Apparently, they've uncovered "a top secret MOD intelligence minute from August 1950 setting up a formal flying saucer working party. They've also found it's secret report from June 1951."

It wasn't until Oct. 2000 that the MOD's 'Directorate of Scientific and Technical Intelligence' finally decided they no longer needed to see details of reported UFOs.

A lot is covered in this article by David Clarke:
http://www.forteantimes.com/exclusive/DS7.shtml

In the documentary we were told about a reported sighting by a RAF flying school instructor, Michael Swinly/Swinny(?) and trainee Lt. Commander David Coates while flying a Meteor, of three off-white, flat, disk-shaped objects that showed up on radar as travelling at 600mph.

There was Terry Johnson and Jeff Smythe(?) the last air force witnesses allowed to be publicly interviewed after seeing something while flying a Vampire over Kent. There was also the thing about the Duke of Edinburgh's interest in the subject and his sending a representative, Sir Peter Horsley, to interview the pair. Apparently, he has said that he never saw any evidence that the MOD knew of any alien contact, despite his curious encounter with a Mr Janus in Mrs Markham's London flat in 1955. Lord Mountbatten's "active fascination" was covered too.

An official in charge of the intelligence division at the air ministry recently wrote to the 'Sheffield University's research team' about some of the reports he has had to deal with including accounts of encounters with red, hairy Martian water inspectors and something about the Venusian starfleet seeking some kind of treaty.

What Clark and Roberts are saying is that what the government covered up was their knowledge, or lack of, of what the Soviets had, withholding that knowledge from both the public and the soviets themselves. They also thought people's confidence in them would be damaged if they found out about the limitations of radar technology which can show phantom images produced by meteorological phenomena.

Towards the end the narrator says:
"Dr. Clarke's disappointing conclusion for believers, though, is that Britain's X-files contain no traces of a single alien encounter."

Then we hear Clarke saying:
"...they have looked at the evidence, they've found -although they can't explain a hundred percent whatever it is that's been seen- it's not a threat to defence and is far as their remit goes...

...there has been a cover up of ignorance...

...if the public knows that the CIA or the MOD intelligence people are taking a serious interest in the subject of UFOs that almost de facto means there must be something behind it that the intelligence people know about that is being withheld from the public. And I think that explains this desperation to keep even the knowledge of that interest away from the public gaze."

-J
 
Many thanks for posting that, J.

Media coverage of Fortean stuff comes in waves and we seem
to be at low ebb both quality and quantity wise at the moment.

Still, I hate to miss things. :)
 
Timewatch Britain's X-Files

Has anyone got a copy of this programme that was on the BBC recently, that I could buy/borrow/rent??
 
'Disclosure' for Britain's secret UFO Files, it's official!
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2236033,00.html

The truth is out: X-Files go public

British UFO 'sightings' investigated by a secret branch of the MoD are soon to be revealed and officials are braced for a torrent of inquiries

The Observer. Mark Townsend, defence correspondent. January 6, 2008.

Without warning, the orange UFO swooped toward them. The crew of the RAF Vulcan bomber banked hard and radioed they were being chased across the Atlantic by a large mysterious object. The incident was classified as a UFO sighting and the details were immediately locked away.

Now, 30 years later, the extraordinary encounter is among thousands of previously secret cases contained in the government's 'X-Files' that officials are to release in their entirety.

The cases, many from a little-known defence intelligence branch tasked with investigating UFO claims, will be published by the Ministry of Defence to counter what officials say is 'the maze of rumour and frequently ill-informed speculation' surrounding Whitehall and its alleged involvement with Unidentifed Flying Objects.

The public opening of the MoD archive will expose the once highly classified work of the intelligence branch DI55, whose mission was to investigate UFO reports and whose existence was denied by the government until recently. Reports into about 7,000 UFO sightings investigated by defence officials - every single claim lodged over the past 30 years - are included in the files, whose staged release will begin in spring.

The decision to release Whitehall's full back-catalogue of UFO investigations was taken last month after the Directorate of Air Space Policy, the government agency responsible for filtering sensitive reports, gave its permission to publish the biggest single release of documents in MoD history. Now the government fears a repeat of the unprecedented demand and the website crash experienced by the French national space agency in March when it released its own UFO files. Government IT experts are believed to have drawn up contingency plans to avoid a repeat scenario when Britain's dossiers are finally made public.

Among the first tranche of UK cases will be the official government files into the famous Rendlesham incident, dubbed 'Britain's Roswell' after the US incident when a flying saucer is said to have crash-landed in the New Mexico desert 60 years ago. On a foggy night in 1980 several witnesses reported a UFO apparently landing in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. Statements claimed the craft was covered in markings similar to Egyptian hieroglyphics and aliens emerged from it. Although a man later confessed to having staged the incident as a hoax, the files will clear up continuing speculation as to whether radiation was detected at the site after the event.

Another case reported to the intelligence branch DI55 - Britain's version of the 'Men In Black' - chronicles a series of reports sent to RAF Scampton, Lincolnshire, by the crew of a Vulcan bomber on exercise over the Bay of Biscay early on 26 May 1977. According to documents seen by The Observer, five crewmen, including the captain, co-pilot and navigators, watched 'an object' approach their aircraft at 43,000ft above the Atlantic. The mysterious craft then appeared to turn and follow their precise course from a distance of four miles.

Initially, the crew said the object resembled landing lights 'with a long pencil beam of light ahead' but as it turned towards them the lights suddenly went out leaving a diffuse orange glow with a bright fluorescent green spot in its bottom right-hand corner. Then, according to signals sent back to Scampton, the crew noted a mystery object 'leaving from the middle of the glow on a westerly track... climbing at very high speed at an angle of 45 degrees'.

The Vulcan's navigator recorded interference on his radar screen from the direction of the UFO which continued for 45 minutes as the plane headed back to Britain. On return to the UK, the camera film from the aircraft's radar was examined by RAF intelligence. They found a 'strong response' from the direction of the sighting. The UFO was captured as 'an elongated shadow' of a 'large-sized' object travelling at a similar height to the Vulcan. An intelligence report sent to the MoD the same day says the crew 'were unable to offer a logical explanation for the sighting'.

Although hailed as the complete disclosure of the UK's UFO files, questions are likely to remain over whether all available information will be made public. Despite the Vulcan sighting being investigated by DI55, no details remain in the file indicating what they found or what became of the radar film.

The disclosures are more likely, claim some experts, to lend credence to the theory that such UFO incidents were, rather than alien visitations, military activities such as missile launches, testing of prototype aircraft and other activities during the Cold War.

David Clarke, a lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hallam University and author of Flying Saucerers: A Social History of UFOlogy, said: 'Something was definitely going on, but really these files show that the government did not know either. This release will be a source of disappointment or vindication for some, and embarrassment for others.

'Conspiracy theorists who believe that the various governments of the world are hiding secrets about the "reality" of aliens will see this as another whitewash effort by the MoD and will probably continue their self-sustaining "campaign for the truth", when the truth will in fact now be "out there".'

UFO researcher Joe McGonagle said: 'There will always be a hard core who believe these files were prepared for release and that there is a secret department within the military who has a separate stash of files that have not been disclosed.'

UFOs remain one of the most popular subjects for Freedom of Information requests and the release is certain to generate a massive response from the public when the files are placed in the National Archives. Clarke, who has lodged hundreds of FoI requests, recently discovered that the government was considering destroying the 24 files created by DI55 because they were contaminated by asbestos. Not only were the UFO records polluted, but a total of 63,000 files estimated at between six to 12 million pages - most of them classified as secret - were facing the same fate. Having admitted the existence of the problem to Clarke, the MoD opted to instigate a £3m project digitally to scan the files before they were destroyed. Scanning of the 24 contaminated UFO files owned by DI55 was completed last year, although it is understood that names of officials in the reports will be removed.

Although the government remains reticent to discuss its intelligence work on UFOs, it is known that DI55 has been hot on the trail of flying saucers since the Sixties. Experts admit that they work closely with the security services MI5, MI6 and GCHQ to collect and assess evidence of potential threats to Britain.


The decision by the UK to open its files could lead to the US government following suit. A group of former pilots and government officials recently urged the Pentagon to reopen investigations into claims of UFO sightings.

UFO claims

1980 Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. US servicemen claim to have seen an alien craft and its landing site.

1984 Minsk, USSR. Aeroflot pilots say they are pursued by a glowing shape.

1989 Bonnybridge, Scotland. Fire crew report objects rushing towards them before veering away at the last moment.

1990 Brussels, Belgium. Two F-16 fighter pilots recount being engaged in 75-minute mid-air chase with a UFO.

And, not the original documents, but digital copies. How unfortunate. No doubt, they'll be accurate facsimiles.

So, why now, France has already disclosed, now Britain and with hints that the US might follow suit... curious.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
So, why now, France has already disclosed, now Britain and with hints that the US might follow suit... curious.

Maybe they just got sick of people asking.
 
It seems to me to be a great way to lose credulity with the serious public and woowoos, to me
 
Hah, I was about to post this to Ufology.

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ - Good stuff. David Clarke podcast!

Incidentally, the bit where it says "previously released files ... can be downloaded for a small fee..." - most of the files beyond that link are free. If you only add free ones to your shopping basket, then click 'Pay by card', it just gives you them. :D

Not forgetting this site: http://www.uk-ufo.org/condign/

Edit: For those of you trying, and failing to get to the podcast and the Nick Pope video-cast (?) - the links on the NA site are broken. Here are the correct links:

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/med ... -05-12.mp3
http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/med ... -05-12.wmv
 
Topics merged.

There's more on the Guardian Website.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/05/explore_the_xfiles.html

Explore the X-files

James Randerson. Guardian Science Blogs, May 14, 2008

Sick of UFO buffs, conspiracy theorists and journalists pestering them for information about little green men, the MOD has decided to release its entire archive on the subject to the public. In all, 160 files will be made public via the National Archives website over the next 3 to 4 years. The first 8 files - one of which is over 450 pages long - are released today.

The files, which go back to the early 1980s, are difficult to search and can be difficult to interpret so the National Archives has helpfully added a handy background research guide from Dr David Clarke, an expert in UFO history at Sheffield Hallam University. He also talks you through the material on a [Listen Now] podcast.

And if that's not enough there is also a videocast with Nick Pope, a former civil servant who used to work on the MOD's UFO desk.

So what gems lie in the archives? One of the more colourful reports is a letter dated January 1985 from someone who claimed to have been in contact with aliens since he was 7. He claimed to have visited alien bases in Wirral and Cheshire and had observed a UFO being shot down next to Wallasey Town Hall.

As I was watching, the front end of the UFO hit the water, then the whole UFO disappeared leaving the water to splash, as if done by an invisible entity.

He later tried to arrange a meeting between an alien called Algar and the British government, but said Algar was killed by other aliens before the meeting could take place. His letter is here on page 338.

Another far-fetched account is from a 77 year old fisherman. In small hours of 12th August 1983, he claimed to have been contacted by the inhabitants of a flying saucer. They were 4 feet high and wearing pale green overalls with helmets and black visors. After giving him a tour of their craft they told him, "You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose". You can find this fisherman's tale on page 67.

More credible is the report on 11th September 1985, from the crew of an RAF Sea King helicopter that tracked two objects on radar for 40 miles that appeared to be travelling at around 3500 miles per hour. Read that here on page 39.

Several sightings in the files are from police. At quarter past midnight on Christmas Day 1985, a group of 3 police officers in Woking were surprised by a white light descending on the Horsell area. The officers were apparently worried their report would not be taken seriously because Horsell Common features in HG Wells' War of the Worlds as the place where the first Martians land. The account reads, "Genuine report. Two competent officers slightly embarrassed." You can see it here on page 148.

There's another police sighting from 26th April 1984 in Edgware, London complete with scribbled diagrams of what they saw here (page 233).

And if you are a fan of crop circles. Here (page 203) is an account of an investigation into some mysterious wheat field antics near Andover.

If you find any more interesting sightings in the files, please post below with a link and a page number.

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The 'Comment is Free' comments, below the article, make interesting reading. The Fortean Times and a certain Dr David Clark, one of its contributors, get a mention.
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ThelemaBoy

Comment No. 1101799
May 14 10:18


It should be noted that Dr David Clarke is not an "expert" on UFO's. Clarkes position has always been one of sceptic. His stance to sightings has always been negative and sceptic. So he has already made up his mind on the UFO phenomenon without any open enquiry has to possible reasons for it. His arguments and run ins with readers of the fortean Times have made good argument but he is a "safe pair of hands" for the MOD.

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Dr David Clarke ... he has already made up his mind on the UFO phenomenon without any open enquiry...
Could have fooled me! Blast him, pretending to do all that enquiry and writing when really he was just sitting about doing nothing! :roll:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7398784.stm

Dear MoD: where is ET?
By Dr David Clarke
Sheffield Hallam University


For decades the Ministry of Defence kept what it knew about UFOs locked away in its archives. Now, the contents of what have been called Britain's X-Files are finally being revealed. One of the UK's leading UFO experts told Radio 4's Today programme about his hunt.

The first eight of 160 MoD UFO files have been opened at the National Archives, thanks to the Freedom of Information Act.

They contain details of thousands of sightings of strange lights and objects in the sky from 1981 to the present day.

Most of the sightings were made by ordinary people, including police officers, pilots and schoolchildren.

But, now the X-files have been opened, what do they actually tell us? The answer is disappointing for those who believe the British government has been concealing evidence of visits by aliens.

Planes, flames and hallucinations

As I leafed through hundreds of official UFO report forms it became obvious the vast majority of sightings could easily be explained.

For example, staff and customers at a pub in Tunbridge Wells reported seeing a UFO with "red and green flashing lights" moving across the sky. When asked to describe the direction of movement their answer was "Gatwick".

Aircraft, bright stars and planets, satellites and space debris all stand out as the most common explanation for UFO reports.

A small number have been revealed as hoaxes or hallucinations.

But a hard-core of 5-10% continues to defy explanation.

Despite the mystery that continues to surround those that remain "unidentified", the papers reveal how little time and effort was spent by the MoD to investigate them.

Even those reported by RAF pilots and civil aircrew were rarely investigated further.

This lack of interest was justified by officials on the grounds that the MoD was only allowed to determine whether UFO sightings were a threat to defence.

During the Cold War the major threat came from behind the Iron Curtain, not from outer space.

Meanwhile, public fascination for UFOs has continued to grow. In 1999, a survey for the Daily Mail found that 49% of the UK population believe that life exists on other planets and 29% believe that aliens had already visited Earth in flying saucers.

Equally popular is the idea that governments of the world are conspiring to conceal evidence of alien visits from the general public.

Secrecy provides a breeding ground for conspiracy theories and the MoD's policy of playing down the subject encouraged some people to believe that proof of UFO reality was being deliberately covered up to prevent panic.

The truth is out there

I was determined to discover if there was any truth behind these claims by using investigative techniques to uncover the facts.

From 1994, it was possible to obtain copies of government papers from the previous 30 years, and I began using this power to request copies of MoD files on famous UFO incidents.

In 2001 the MoD agreed to send me papers they held on the Rendlesham Forest incident - known as Britain's Roswell. This was the first breakthrough in what became a 10-year campaign for full disclosure of British government papers on UFOs.

When the Freedom of Information Act arrived in 2005, the MoD was overwhelmed with requests for information. It soon emerged that UFOs were among the top three most popular topics.

Working with a small group of colleagues, I embarked on a targeted strategy using FOI requests to cajole, persuade and - when necessary - force the MoD and other government departments to reveal what they knew.

This ultimately led to the decision, last year, to transfer the entire collection of UFO files held by Whitehall to the National Archives at Kew.

The files will be released in chronological order over a four year period and made available to the public to download free of charge for the first month. The papers contain details of 8,000 sightings from 1981 to present.

The names and addresses of those who reported sightings to the MoD have been removed to protect their identities.

In a statement released to us, the MoD conceded that "by opening our files in this way, we may help to counter the maze of rumour and frequently ill-informed speculation that surrounds the role of the MoD in the UFO phenomena".

Conspiracy theories are very difficult to disprove. I doubt the disclosure of these files will convince those who believe there is an official cover-up.

Inevitably, some have already dismissed this release as a whitewash. For them the 'truth' still remains out there, hidden no doubt in more top secret files hidden somewhere else.
 
A contactee from 1985? A bit far past the heyday of such things, eh? What a pity Algar was killed by the intergalactic bad guys before we had a chance to question him.
 
Did anyone else catch Tim Good on BBC Breakfast discussing all of this? He did rather well, right up to the point where when asked if aliens live among us, when he got just a little-too wide-eyed and solemnly attested that there are.

Now, to us this isn't a particularly startling assertion, whether or not you agree with the idea, but the way he was questioned was actually pretty loaded.
 
UFOs do exist - we've seen them: Five Britons reveal their bizarre close encounters
By SADIE NICHOLAS, ALISON SMITH-SQUIRE AND REBECCA WRIGHT
Last updated at 00:24am on 19th May 2008

They may sound too bizarre to be credible, but they make gripping reading nonetheless — the first-hand accounts of ordinary Britons who claim to have seen UFOs in our skies.

After the Ministry of Defence released details last week of around 7,000 sightings since 1977 — including reports from policemen, military pilots and air traffic controllers — FEMAIL went back to five of them to hear their incredible stories.

RUTH NOVELLI, 61, lives in Bushey, Hertfordshire, with husband Bruno, 60. In 1984 Ruth reported a UFO sighting to the MoD.

She says: To this day, my children have never forgiven me for not waking them up the night my neighbour and I spent several hours gazing at what looked like a UFO in the night sky.

Twenty-four years on and it's come back to haunt me with the previously secret Ministry of Defence report in which my sighting is recorded.

It was April 26, 1984, and as night fell, we saw out of the kitchen window what looked like a huge shining star in the sky.

It started to change colour — pinks, reds, blues and greens — and there were balls of light coming off the sides.

The object stayed in the sky, occasionally moving sharply back and forth and side to side.

We lived close to the Bentley Priory RAF headquarters so initially decided that if it wasn't a star, it was perhaps military equipment being tested.

Suddenly, an almighty flash of bright light passed over our houses and we were so panicked that we called the RAF HQ. They claimed they knew nothing about it, so my neighbour and I called the police.

Almost immediately, they came and blocked off our road while scrutinising the sky. We were asked to fill out lots of forms detailing what had happened.

Nobody ever told us what it was we'd seen, but the following day local papers carried reports of strange lights sighted above the Thames. A friend of a friend said she'd seen something similar on the same night.

The weirdest part of the whole episode was when a local UFO enthusiast called me a few days later.

[other stories follow]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

I have checked - this was not Venus!
 
I have checked - this was not Venus!
More likely to be a bright star scintillating- Venus would not normally scintillate like that. She certainly had a little difficulty deciding if it were a star or not:
if it wasn't a star, it was perhaps military equipment being tested.
The second part of the sighting sounds like a fireball of some sort.
 
ttaarraass said:
Dr David Clarke ... he has already made up his mind on the UFO phenomenon without any open enquiry...
Could have fooled me! Blast him, pretending to do all that enquiry and writing when really he was just sitting about doing nothing! :roll:
I must confess that I find his tone to be a rather scoffing sometimes. It was a nice suprise to hear him on the Today programme though, and later in Metro.
 
MOD August 2009 disclosure

Finally finished skimming over the files, this is the largest batch I think they have released so far. Just a few initial thoughts.

1) Just like previous disclosures noone in the mainstream media has actually bothered to read the files and have merely carried the spin from Clarke and the MOD website. For example BBC NI reported (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8204922.stm) that there was only one NI UFO report in the files, but I have found at least two others,

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2) The files released cover Nick Pope's stint at the UFO desk and it's easy to see its him even though the names are all cut out. He has distinctive handwriting and he comes across as very helpful and encouraging to all the people he writes to. I dont think much of him as UFOlogist but I have to say he comes across as sincere and honest. It's amazing that he was allowed to reply in the way he did, even suggesting reporting to various civilian ufology groups.

3) The impression the files give is that the MOD is genuinely baffled by some UFOs and that they dont mind sharing the unexplained sightings with the public.

3) It seems to be MOD policy that 'late' reports get ignored automatically, for example an odd message from an soldier, its a bit vague and the writer seems to have forgotten to mention the date, I think he thought surely the MOD would remember the time a tornado crashed in the black mountains. Anyway he describes seeing a glowing red ufo near where a tornado had crashed in the black mountains of wales. I couldnt find any record of this crash and the letter appears to have been ignored.

4) Considering the amount we pay in taxes, these records look they come from a 8 year old's scrap book, I'm sure they had computers back then.

5) Some funny files,

White Hair
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Top secret crap
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Floating Ions (In response to a bizarre letter which said, "There are ions and they're floating")
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Chicken artwork
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Crab (might be real!)
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6)Sightings which I found interesting,

Colourful UFO

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A large triangle with a Hercules
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It says a reply was sent, but the reply is not in the files, I wonder what it said?


A report from an air traffic control tower should be taken very seriously
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UFOs with Aircraft reports
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And finally, an excellent description of what it's like in Oz

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Bigger versions of photos can be found here, http://www.flickr.com/photos/azuredoor/
 
Interesting post azuredoor, but the text in those documents is too hard to read :/
 
Halfway down page three of the Oz Factor file...taxpayers money at work!!

I felt as though I was standing just inside the tent talking to Pam saying...
:lol:

mooks out
 
Lol well spotted. The earlier MOD files, the ones released under the 30 year rule had names and addresses. Not surprisingly I found that some people still lived in the same places
 
Nice to see Minne Banister and Henry Crun from The Goon Show were still going strong in 1992 in that last report there...
 
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