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Children Kick Wallaby To Death

Isn't it something to do with cows not producing milk unless we get them knocked up. Or something? My knowledge of such matters is sadly lacking, I'm afraid.

Mind you, I have to wonder; if cows, pigs, sheep, goats and chickes weren't so useful to humans, would they still be around? They certainly wouldn't look like they do now, would they?
 
Originally posted by Scarlett
I'd like to see them dealing with the consequences of rampant mastitis in lactating bovines. Bloody idiots.
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It's already rampant, idiot!

And Australia has one of the worst record of sheep cruelty in the farming industry; mainly due to the size and methods.

Cows' milk and the entire dairy industry isn't as clean and beneficial as people are told. I shan't rant on about it, I'll let you research that bit on your own will. (Check out the bullshit *No pun intended* about milk being "good for healthy teeth and bones" and the actual depleation of calcium in milk drinking humans.)
*Just make sure the information isn't all from companies or organisations that have a financial/political interest in dairy.
I'd say the dairy industry is far more cruel than the meat industry. (I'm a vegan and my missus is an Irish farmer's daughter, so I get to see both worlds :D)
Rant over ;)
 
Helen said:
Isn't it something to do with cows not producing milk unless we get them knocked up. Or something? My knowledge of such matters is sadly lacking, I'm afraid.
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As in all mammals, the females produce milk to feed their young. Therefore, if the cow doesn't get pregnant and give birth there will be no milk. The cows give birth, the calves are taken away at a few days old but as the cows are then milked twice (sometimes 3 times) a day they are stimulated into producing more milk. If they aren't milked they will dry up (same as humans who bottle feed instead of breast feeding). The cows are allowed to dry up gradually towards the season when they will next be mated (or more likely in modern dairy herds, artificially inseminated).
 
LOL!" That maybe in some desolate rural family farm somewhere, but the truth is Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own babies -- not humans.
Male calves, the "byproducts" of the dairy industry, endure 14 to17 weeks of torment in veal crates so small that they can't even turn around. Female calves often replace their old, worn-out mothers, or are slaughtered soon after birth for the rennet in their stomachs (an ingredient of most commercial cheeses). They are often kept in tiny crates or tethered in stalls for the first few months of their lives, only to grow up to become "milk machines" like their mothers.
Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, sewers, or treatment plants.

In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal waste.
Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.

The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's number one cause of death.

And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it, since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually cause osteoporosis.
Nuff sed?
 
Well yes, nearly enough. Could you point me towards some actual sources for what you have just written. I notice that all the examples are American. I cannot speak for their methods but was an agricultural journalist for five years and have visted hundreds of dairy farms in the UK and have not seen the methods of milk production that you have outlined.
Growth hormones are not permitted in the UK, neither is veal production by the methods you have portrayed.
Your article seems to have been lifted from something published in an animal rights pamphlet.
And I do not believe that you actually know much about teh dairy industry in the UK. Animal welfare is very high, strictly regulated and policed by inspectors from DEFRA and the RSPCA. Yes of course there are exceptions but to try and say that the whole dairy industry maltreats animals is not only wrong, it does a great dis service to the huge majority of farmers.
Yes, cows produce more milk than used to but that is becasuse they are now a) much bigger than they used to be (selecttive breeding) and b) they are far better fed on better grass, silage, and concentrates (which are also strictly regulated).
Slurry is used as natural fertiliser and is spread back on the fields instead of ( and as well as ) nitrogen and everyone knows that FYM is what makes the roses grow best!
Oh- and cows are artificially inseminated so that the best breeding can be attained.
I cannot answer your claim about osteoporosis but would be very interested to read the report.
 
I live in the U.S. and I have heard from many people(not just PETA) about how cruel they are to animals here. Also, my ex-boyfriend is a vegan and he was basically obsessed with information on this. Everything that was said is true, at least in the U.S. I did research on this for a speach for my speach com class and I found that it has been shown that countries who do not consume dairy have a much lower rate of hip fractures and brokent bones. Also, its not just cows. They are cruel to all of the animals. Especially chickens. They keep chickens in tiny crates where they are so cramped they feel the need to peck at each other. To keep them from actually hurting each other people cut the ends of their beaks off. They also pump the chickens full of chemicals to make them grow faster. This causes the chickens to have problems with their legs and organ failure. Also, since male chickens are no use to them since they don't lay eggs when baby chickens are born they go through them and kill all of the boys. There is a lot more information but I don't know it. I don't know how useful this site actually is, but I know one site my ex frequently goes to is veganporn.com, if anyone is interested. Anyway, if I annoyed any meat eaters I apologize, but this really is all true.
 
RainyOcean said:
Anyway, if I annoyed any meat eaters I apologize, but this really is all true.
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So is the stuff I posted. Puzzling, isn't it?

Australia's biggest problem with sheep is the live export trade, which raises concerns about transporting that many sheep by boat, only to have them rejected by the client countries. They ought to stop it.
 
From the site betterhealth
Milk and mucous
Many people in Australia believe that nasal stuffiness is related, in part, to how much milk you drink. However, there is no scientific basis to this theory. Milk doesn't encourage extra mucous production.
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I notice when I drink milk it affects my sinuses and increases mucous production. Goat's milk doesn't do it to the same extent as cow's milk, but I still notice the effect. That's the main reason I don't drink milk.

Edit: Milk from free-range cows has the same effect on me.
 
Apparently Australia is a lot nicer to animals than the United States is. Maybe I should move there. :D
 
RainyOcean said:
Apparently Australia is a lot nicer to animals than the United States is. Maybe I should move there. :D
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They're nicer to people too;)
 
Oo-er.......I started something! :eek:
Maybe this part of the thread should be moved to another penned "Diverse Opinions Of Diets and Politics of Food" or something.
I've not eaten any animal products (meat, dairy, honey, additives, colours, etc...) for just over 19 years now and I'm not knackered, weak, thin, tired insane or ashen coloured :D.....I could mention quite a few people who eat a "balanced diet" who are though!

Anyway, I try to live and let live now, so I don't preach about it or get offended. My girlfriend eats meat etc, and I look at it this way... I smoke (Hand rolled smuggled tobacco) and drink vodka, that isn't really good for me and I don't think her diet is very good for her; so we both leave well alone! lol!

I could ramble forever about animal cruelty and so and so, but I shan't as that would make me as bad as a religious personage or a spiritualist.
No offense ;)
*Look at me in the AVI....do I look pale and thin?...... (One thought though... a lot of vegans have thinning hair!)lol*
 
spillage said:
*Look at me in the AVI....do I look pale and thin?......
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When i read vegan and looked at the *ahem* 'thinning hair' in your avatar i began to think Straight-Edged (the movement) until i spotted the reassuring words: vodka and tobacco. :cool:
 
Not the first time then

Shock at second zoo wallaby death horror

By Wyn Matthews
Jun 3, 2004, 12:29

A second wallaby died after a break-in by a gang of schoolboys at Dudley Zoo, it emerged today.

The death was revealed as three boys appeared before magistrates to face animal cruelty charges, following the death of five-month-old male baby wallaby Roo on May 5. Roo is believed to have been kicked to death.

It was revealed today that an eight-year-old female wallaby had to be put down after its leg was broken in an earlier attack at the Castle Hill site on April 21.

Three youths, one aged 10 and two aged 11, appeared before Dudley youth court this morning.

All three, who cannot be named because of their age, are charged with cruelly terrifying a group of parma wallabies on April 21.

The two 11-year-olds are also charged with the same offence on May 5.

Magistrates adjourned the case until June 24 to allow the defence to see CCTV footage to be used as evidence in the case. The boys were given unconditional bail.

Zoo chief executive Peter Suddock later said it was initially thought that the older wallaby had broken its leg fighting with another animal or in a fall.

He said it only came to light this week that it was deliberately hurt

The death of wallaby Roo sparked outrage across the country, with people from as far afield as Australia e-mailing and ringing the zoo and police to express their horror at the incident.

It has highlighted concerns about police not being able to charge offenders under 10, the age of criminal responsibility.

A fourth boy, aged nine at the time of the offence, has been referred to Dudley's youth offending team which is considering the most appropriate action to take against the youngster.

Zoo staff found Roo dead on the morning of May 6, along with the surviving six members of its family which were distressed but unhurt.

A post mortem revealed the creature probably died of shock. Keepers discovered three children taunting lions at the zoo on the evening of May 5.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/artman/publish/article_59483.php

What the heck? where was the security on both these occasions?
 
Should you need to stop people climbing into a lion enclosure?
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Well in hindsight it seems so, it is Dudley after all. Maybe the wallabies wouldn't have been tortured to death if trespassers had not been able to get into the zoo's compounds?
 
Quixote said:
Well in hindsight it seems so, it is Dudley after all. Maybe the wallabies wouldn't have been tortured to death if trespassers had not been able to get into the zoo's compounds?
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But the lions are less defenceless than the wallabies. Perhaps kids break into the lion enclosure all the time, but the lions eat the evidence.
 
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Quixote said:
All three, who cannot be named because of their age, are charged with cruelly terrifying a group of parma wallabies on April 21.

The two 11-year-olds are also charged with the same offence on May 5.

http://www.expressandstar.com/artman/publish/article_59483.php
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Disfunctional, mal-developed, products of hate.
Human effluent.
Utter scum.
Worst essence of parisitic fungal-excrement-growth.

By the very act of breeding, their parents have urinated in the human gene-pool :hmph:
 
You sicko. That poem terrified me utterly as a child.

(And for some reason the school teachers loved to read it out.)
 
The Great British Public Strike Again

Birds mutilated in 'sick' attack

Seventeen birds have been killed and mutilated at a wildlife rescue centre near Stafford.

Volunteers discovered the dead birds, including a crow which had been shot in the head and two baby magpies which had their legs snapped off.

The attack at the centre at Amerton Farm happened just days before a new animal hospital was due to open.

Centre director Alf Hardy has put up a £200 reward from his own pocket in an effort to catch the culprits.

Steel wire

Mr Hardy said he was physically sick when he was told about the incident.

"I cannot describe how I feel," he told BBC News Online.

"I was really physically sick when I found out. It's sick and mindless, just mindless.

"We have been broken into before but something like this has never happened before.

"If someone knows something, we can only hope they are brought to book for what they have done."

The wings were also ripped off several fantail and wood pigeons during the attack, which took place on Tuesday night after the locks to the aviaries were smashed.

The centre is home to numerous creatures including, rabbits, badgers, birds of prey, snakes and spiders, which have either been brought in by the public or by the RSPCA.

Funded by donations from the public and small entry fee staff treat up to 1,500 animals a year.

Steel wire has already been put up around the perimeter fence to prevent any further incidents.

"Any of the animals could have a pellet lodged in them that we don't know about yet," he added.

"We already have steel window bars and steel wire on our fence. It's getting like Fort Knox. How far do you go?"

Staffordshire Police confirmed they are investigating the incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/3777633.stm
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Originally posted by
Originally posted by The Yithian.
When i read vegan and looked at the *ahem* 'thinning hair' in your avatar i began to think Straight-Edged (the movement) until i spotted the reassuring words: vodka and tobacco.
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Arrrh....It is "thinning", as in, "Not bald", It's shaved to a number one as I look a *%@#! with it long now.
Anyway....the movement "Straight Edged", what's that all about then?

:confused:

Oh aye....... Do tell?
 
Bugger - lost the post because of a timeout.

Straigh edged is a lifestyle movement thingy based arounf the hardcore/punk subculture (hence my mention of shaved heads). The basics are an emphasis on political awareness and self-respect based around a healthy body = healthy mind ethos. In short, drink, drugs, fags, and promiscuity are all out. Many are vegans and veggies. Henry Rollins (of Black Flag) is always name-checked as the most famous adherent though its far from an organised movement just a set of loose principals.

You could always google for mor ebut it's not fascinating to me.
:)
 
Arrr... Cheers mate. I've never heared of it all.
No....I like to think that the only movements I'm involved with are my own bowel ones lol!
I'm just a council estate Steve Irwin, that's all. Can't stand to see animals maligned, never mind abused. (Children and women come first in my books BTW....so I'm not a "Green Fascist" lol)
*I mean, Children and women are most important.....(Don't want any misapropriations there!)*
 
One of the biggest wankers I've ever met was a rabid Greenie--very anti-car, very pro-bikes, all the rest...

EXCEPT

he was also a rabid Formula One fan.

So I asked him once, how he could justify all these expensive cars roaring around for no real purpose, burning all kinds of oil and fuel and spewing who knows what into the air, then turn around and berate people for driving five miles to work. He never gave me a satisfactory answer. :D

(for the record, he was a wanker even without being a Greenie; this contradiction of his just added to his wankiness. I'm not anti-Greenie, although I am suspicious of any movement which claims sole possession of the moral high ground)
 
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