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Curious Phobias & Irrational Fears

mugwumpaddict said:
She has such a strong reaction to some patterns she is physically sick if she has to look at them for too long.
My mum years ago changed the units in our kitchen to a dark brown woodgrain effect. My sister could not go into the kitchen without a reaction to them and we had to change them back to a neutral plain colour.
We've has had this as long as we can remember and thought we were the only ones until we found a message board online with about 20 people reporting the same.
I have a similar thing about images on a computer or TV screen which move at a particular speed. The Channel 4 logo where the 4 comes together makes me feel sick. Occasionally a website will have a slow-fade effect which nauseates me and sort of makes my brain itch or something, it's hard to explain. I don't think phobia is the correct word for it, I'm pretty sure it must be something physical happening in some individuals' brains, a side effect of the way we're wired maybe. I have a phobia and it's a different feeling.
I'd love to read this message board you found though.
 
My Dad and my brother both have a phobia about ear swabs (cotton buds)
Why? i don't know.
 
whiner said:
My Dad and my brother both have a phobia about ear swabs (cotton buds)
Why? i don't know.

It's when the doctor reaches for the longer ones that men usually worry. :shock:
 
RE: pattern phobia. I once met a girl at a university interview who said that certain structured patterns (eg sponges, the air bubbles in bread) would start to throb and make her feel nauseous. At the time I just thought she was being pretentious (this was an art college interview) but now i'm more inclined to believe.
 
Beakboo-

Here's the link to that message board about pattern phobia (cluster phobia)

http://www.topix.com/forum/science/psychology/TVMDC076NMBFCG54P

It does sound like what you experience is allied to what we experience althoughtin our case it's close regular repeating patterns like paisley print or fractal patterns. I agree, it's hard to explain, it feels different to the way i feel about the things i'm phobic about. If i concentrate really hard i can rationalise my phobias and control the reaction i have to them but not with this it's instant the minute you see the pattern and the reaction does not seem to be controllable.

H-james Thats the reaction you usually get trying to explain this one. People either think you are mad, making it up for attention or exagerating the effect.
 
I think I already posted this, but I sometimes get terribly affraid of UFO and astronomical pictures, I feel like they hurt my eyes. Also, circular and lenticular shapes, specially high contrast ones, make feel an almost physical reaction on the eyes. I have to be really calmed when watching pictures or videos, or using my telescope. It also helps being with someone else (like my son, who likes astronomy). But sometimes I have to cover my eyes with my hands and look trough my fingers when I feel specially perturbed. Any ideas on what's going on?
 
These pattern things, and probably some of the phobias, sound like glitches in the sensory system, either the brain or the receptors (in this case, the eyes and related nerves). Unfortunately, due to the primitive state of our understanding of these symptoms, it can be expensive and time-consuming to track the source and do something about it, and good luck getting doctors interested, even if it becomes debilitating. It's much easier to tell a patient that his peculiar-sounding symptom is psychological than it is to do all the obscure testing! Also, people (including doctors) are likely to dismiss anything that is outside their experience simply because they don't understand it. If I say I have a headache without any pain, most of you here wouldn't have any idea what I was talking about; those of you who have had the condition I mean, however, will nod and say: "Yeah, those are awful!"

I've spent most of my life describing myself as "afraid of small heights." I can stand on a mountain (if I'm not too close to the edge) or go up in a plane without a problem, but climbing a stepladder terrifies me. I always feel like I'm falling off backward, and have to talk my way through any necessary climb. I have never attempted an extension ladder and don't intend to. If we ever had to use the rope fire safety ladder stored under our bed, I'd probably be unable to do so.

Now that I know I have no balance function in my right ear, this seems less like a fear and more like a sensible reaction to the things my body is telling me. I expect the pattern nausea is similar, in that once you knew what was wrong, it would seem natural and reasonable. It's the sourcelessness and the sense of being the only one affected that makes it feel creepy.
 
Some of mine:

Air raid sirens. At nineteen I moved out of my parents' house in the country and into an apartment with my boyfriend in a fairly big city. The first Monday I was there, they tested the damned air raid siren (now used for tornado warnings) and I flipped out, got under the table, phoned my boyfriend and could only manage to blurt out, "Air raid! Air raid!" He had to tell me this was a routine thing, and I never did get used to the thing. They still bug the crap out of me.

Spiderwebs--not the spiders, just the webs. If I walk through a spiderweb I have an almost uncontrollable need to drop to the ground and roll around as though my clothes were on fire.

Being on open water with no visible land.

Vomiting, hearing or seeing someone else vomiting, or being in a situation where I or someone else might vomit.

Some other random stuff, too.
 
I have just one phobia which makes me vomit on the spot. Luckily I don't have to face it very often.

However, yesterday, at the gym of all places, it cropped up and I could only cover my mouth with my sweat towel in case I threw up there and then! :lol:

It's funny now but at the time I was desperately embarrassed, not least because if anyone'd seen me they'd have assumed I was overdoing the exercise and tried to look after me... :oops:
 
it's the repeating patterns.

I get it with swarms of anything - ants or birds or flamingoes (have you seen those flamingoes, thousands of them?!) or even people sometimes.

Actually I have been better since I saw a documentary on why starlings in rome do it, it makes more sense once you understand it.
 
I remember the letter posted in FT from the guy who stated that he had a particularly unusual phobia in that he was terrified of reputed pictures of crypto-critters

...which I could never understand. I mean, I suppose I could understand if one were kayaking, and a huge sea monster surfaced next to you, or if one were confronted by an 8-foot tall apeman whilst taking a stroll through the woods, but afraid to look at pictures of them (most of which are equivalent to a rorschach test, and are of dubious provenance in any case)?

Also, he found that once he'd seen the photos, he usually experienced "flashbacks" whenever he was taking a bath. Simply using a drain-stopper should adequately prevent any Nessies, no matter how small, from entering the tub with you.

I am the proud owner of a couple of irrational phobias myself, however this was something entirely new to me.
 
I have a theory that you can "catch" phobias off other people. My older sister has a phobia (or maybe just a REALLY strong dislike) of the noise polystyrene makes when you bend/break it and I've ended up with it too.

I also really hate touching cotton wool, it makes me feel a bit nauseous.
 
ignatiusII said:
I remember the letter posted in FT from the guy who stated that he had a particularly unusual phobia in that he was terrified of reputed pictures of crypto-critters
I think I felt that way when I was younger. The feeling that maybe there was something in this image that shouldn’t exist ... the feeling that the image itself was mysterious, that I could never come to know the truth, that there positively existed something tangible (the image) that I could never discover the truth about ... the first time I saw the Patterson-Gimlin film of Bigfoot, I felt terrible and had to look away. I see it’s hard to explain.
 
Irrational fear: mannequins
(though I find them fascinating, in a horrified way)

Phobia: stick insects.

*shudder*
 
Not quite into phobia territory, but I am afraid of electric fans that are on a high setting. It`s not as bad if I just walk into a room with one that is already on - it still makes me uncomfortable and I really want to turn it down... But if someone does turn one on high while I`m there I honestly feel sick and horrified listening to it spin up.

When I was a child, we had a window fan that slowly spun up to it`s top speed (even in low) and I could never stand to hear that. In the summer, it was my "job" to go upstairs and turn it on about 30 minutes to an hour before bed. I would literally have to turn the switch then RUN - for some reason I honestly feared for my life. Once on, if in low setting it didn`t bother me at all.

And - my real phobia are IVs. The kinds they stick into you. Having one in, or seeing one in does not bother me a bit. Even blood backed up into one, etc, doesn`t phase me at all. The very THOUGHT of putting one in / having one put in however... I cannot honestly describe it, but just typing it was enough to make me shake and get tears in my eyes.

My son`s birth was a horribly sudden and traumatic event - Emergency c-section, and operation to save my life, etc half way through the pregnancy - him in intensive care for 5 months, me for 1...

And the worst part of that was having an IV put in before it all started. Huge abdominal incision with tubes going in and out and having that cleaned and such? Sure, it sucked but in NO WAY could compare to the IV.
The reason why I don`t think I`ll ever be able to bring myself to try for another child isn`t because I`m afraid of the same thing happening, the chance of me dying, etc... It`s because I know I`ll have to get an IV at some point.

The worst part of the whole thing was having to stay still while they put one in me. I`ve been terrified of them for years, and would do anything to get out of having one... But there was no choice and nowhere to run, so I just had to cry and let them do it.
And it was even worse and terrifying than I`d ever imagined, so just goes to reinforce the phobia.
 
Some more on school phobia. This may well exist but I bet the "condition" will be abused. Comments at link.

Is there such a thing as school phobia?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8367283.stm

By Finlo Rohrer
BBC News Magazine


A school is being asked to apologise to the family of a boy it prosecuted for truancy. The boy was diagnosed as having "school phobia", but what exactly is that?

Most adults can remember days when they vehemently didn't want to go to school.

There would be protestations of illness, and of the danger of passing on an unpleasant disease, before the eventual acceptance that the journey into school was inevitable.

So many might react with scepticism to the idea that there is such a thing as "school phobia".

Any attempts to get them to school... can lead to quite extreme behaviour - temper tantrums, screaming, kicking. It is very distressing for the adults

Nigel Blagg


School phobia boy granted apology
But, says Nigel Blagg, author of School Phobia and Its Treatment, it is a condition that has been recognised since the 1960s.

"They will experience extreme anxiety. They are off school, typically with their parents' knowledge and approval. And they often have symptoms like tummy aches, head aches and nausea. Some of them suffer severely with depression.

"Any attempts to get them to school, when they are at their worst can lead to quite extreme behaviour - temper tantrums, screaming, kicking. It is very distressing for the adults."

The sceptics might of course want to bracket these children as truants, but, says Mr Blagg, a former local authority educational psychologist who now runs a private practice, they are quite distinct in background and behaviour.

"They are typically well behaved, socially conforming who are usually doing quite well. Normally they come from caring families.

"The truant group are the ones who [miss] school because they want to… often involved in delinquent behaviour."

Separation anxiety

It is thought the worst ages for school phobia are five to six and 11-14, says Mr Blagg. There are no precise numbers for how many children suffer the condition, but he notes one estimate is that 1% of children will have it at one point during their school careers.


A day at school is not every child's idea of fun
But the diagnosis is not without controversy, and even the term is subject to dispute, says Mr Blagg.

"In the psychological world the preferred term these days is school refusal. [But] school refusal doesn't convey the extreme distress, anxiety and panic, the physical symptoms that these children experience or the fact that it isn't a volitional state."

There is a recognition among psychologists and other education professionals that school phobia/school refusal covers a range of different problems.

Some of the younger sufferers can be diagnosed as having "separation anxiety", leaving them distressed at parting from their parents at the school gate. But some psychologists say this is more about refusal, not phobia - a true school phobic will experience a reaction even if their parents are present.

"Other children could be classified as having a social phobia to do with performance aspects of school - reading out loud or changing for PE," says Mr Blagg.

Other children might be off sick for a prolonged period, fall behind with work and fall out of a routine. Some might simply have changed school and lost friends they relied on to feel secure at school. Still others may have had a single distressing experience.

Indulging children?

"More typically what you have is an accumulation of stresses to do with home and school that add up over time and cause the child to be anxious," says Mr Blagg.

PHOBIA OR REFUSAL?
School phobia - irrational fear of school or the school situation
School refusal - Refusal on the part of a child to attend school
Refusal to go to school may be caused by a school phobia but most school refusals due to separation anxiety
In a true school phobia a child will show the phobic reaction even if his or her parents are present
Source: Penguin Dictionary of Psychology
"The avoidance leads to greater problems. They fall behind with school work. They worry what friends will say. The longer they are out the worse the problems get. If they are told they don't have to go they feel fine and the symptoms disappear."

Not only is there disagreement over the name for the condition, but also how to treat it, and whether it exists at all.

Sociologist Prof Frank Furedi, author of Wasted: Why Education Isn't Educating, is not convinced.

"You take an understandable anxiety about going to school and turn it into a disease… Children will internalise it and play the role that's been assigned to them.

"It cultivates the idea that these [exaggerated medically diagnosable] anxieties are normal. You do begin to encourage children to think in these terms."

But even if you do accept that school phobia exists, there can still be disagreement over the best approach to tackling it.

Mr Blagg insists that while educational psychologists, teachers and parents must be sensitive to the child's needs, they must recognise that confrontation and getting the child back to school is necessary.

Stay at home

"They need that very firm handling and confronting them and getting them back to school. You might have to take them to school and escort them [in]."

For those who have been away schools should assign tutors, help them catch up and offer them quiet space to be in while they are adjusting.


Would you help an arachnophobe by plonking a spider in their hand?
But there are some advocates of home schooling who believe that rather than being a psychological aberration requiring a cure, the symptoms of school phobia may simply indicate that the child is best educated away from the school, at home.

Ann Newstead, a spokesperson for the home tuition charity Education Otherwise, says school phobia is a "very real condition".

"I see a lot of families where they are in that situation - you only have to meet the children and families to see that it's not a made up condition. It's genuine. Not sending your child to school is something parents can be prosecuted for. You don't risk prosecution lightly."

"You wouldn't dream of forcing an adult to engage in an environment that wasn't beneficial to them. So why do we think it's ok to treat children in this way?"

But aren't children more malleable? Doesn't keeping them back from school indulge their fear rather than tackle the problem?

"I agree with the tackling but not the forcing of it. That's like treating someone who is scared of spiders by putting a spider in their hand. You tackle these things gradually, help someone to overcome a phobia and home education is a way of doing that."

More generally, many schools seek to make some of the changes for children less stressful, for example working on acclimatisation for children moving up to secondary school.

But Prof Furedi does not believe that such a sensitive treatment is necessarily always helpful.

"Kids going from primary school to secondary school often get transitional counselling.

"If you tell them enough times this is an extremely difficult, painful step, you make the kids more anxious."
 
I saw this and it made me so angry. Yet more medicalisation of perfectly normal behaviour.
 
Ok, I have a really crap phobia and am actually taking medication and am waiting to see a counsellor. I have a fear of working!
No not a joke. I have always worked but am between jobs right now, I am NOT signing on, so I am not a burden to society.
However, I am looking for work and I noticed that every time an agency came up with a job I got a full blown panic attack, it developed slowly but is now so bad that, as I said, had to up my medication. The bad thing is that I do need to work as I can't keep on living off our savings but just the thought is making me shake.
It is not the fear of actually doing work, I am definetely not a lazy person, but the thought of having to leave for so many hours and not be able to rest when I need it. I think. See I honestly don't know, those are the reasons I came up with myself.
I had two extremely stressful jobs before, so stressful that my hair fell out and I had palpitations. Then I had a break from work after that and now this.
I think that my body believes that any other job will be as bad as the ones I just mentioned.
In between I had two very short jobs [3 weks each], and none was stressful, on the contrary BUT...
...in both jobs I fell ill with a mysterious illness after about two weeks. Headaches, general unwellness etc.
It was my body trying to tell me something I recon. However I'm getting pissed off now. I can't even think the "w" word without feeling utter dread.

People [including the doctor] said that I am making myself stressed.
Duh, yes of course, I know that and I have tried to solve this myself, by meditating, doing breathing exercises, even neuro reprogramming, nothing works, it seems to have well and truly by the you know whats.
I can see where others come from, it seems ridiculous. I said that I'd rather fear beans or sticks or even spiders, at least you can still get on with it.
I don't know what else to do and meanwhile I am still looking for work and I am still losing it when I get an answer. Not nice.
Anyway, I thought I share it with you lot, as it is quite debilitating but definitely real.
:(
 
I have suffered from depression and on a few occasions haven't been able to work for periods of between 3 and 5 months. Again it ewasn't that I was lazy but I just could not do it due to the effect of depression and its cousin anxiety.

You say its your body, could it be your mind? Has the doctor ever suggested that you see a psychiatrist or psychologist?
 
Thanks for answering. Yes, the doctor referred me to see a counsellor for some behavioural therapy. But that could take weeks and I agree I do need it.
As for depression, I have always suffered from anxiety [since I can remember] and I know its due to a genetic chemical imbalance, however whilst I had it all under control for a good few years, this has thrown me. It is almost as if my brain is desperately trying to trick me and comes up with fears that I consciously would never think of.
It is definitely a psychological problem, but when I say "body" I actually mean my bastard brain ;) . It has tricked me many times in my life, as soon as I thought I had one fear under control, it comes up with something new.
Anyway, as I said, there is not much I can do but maybe there is now an element of depression, something I never suffered from before. Haven't thought about it but will now...
Thanks again.
 
The body/mind dichotomy isn't much use medically, they interact so much, and just because it's in your mind doesn't mean it can be banished by an act of will. I think that's the problem most people have seeking help on this sort of condition. Since they realize their behavior is irrational on a conscious level, they feel as though they should be able to overcome it at a conscious level, and when they can't, they feel inadequate. Think of it as a disease, as real as paraplegia or a fever.

The fear may not even be that irrational, once you find the cause. I used to think I was irrationally afraid of heights; now I know my body can't always tell which way gravity is pulling on it, I know that this fear is not irrational at all, but a reasonable response to stimuli!

A psychiatrist can prescribe for you; a psychologist cannot, as a medical degree is not required for them. (At least, in America, and I think those rules are pretty standard in the Western world.) Anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication address the physical causes of these symptoms in the brain. I presume one of these terms describes what you're taking. It doesn't sound like it works very well; on the other hand, it may not have had time to work. The trouble is that you're experimenting on yourself - no two brains are alike, and you'll have to monitor yourself closely to see how they're affecting you, which is kind of stressful in itself, and to assess the side-effects. A medication that makes you too sleepy to work isn't an improvement over being too anxious to work! Don't worry about that. Most people have to play medical roulette for awhile before they get the right balance. It's not that you're a particularly difficult patient; it's just the state of the art right now is not that advanced. You should take your doctor's advice, but ultimately you are responsible for your treatment.

If the problem is not work per se (do you ever get anxiety about doing your housework?), but leaving the house and losing control of your schedule, have you considered work that you can do from home, perhaps by telecommuting? Take a realistic look at your skill set and imagine different ways you could, theoretically, be paid without losing the flexibility you need. Don't wipe out whole classes of skills just because you don't see yourself as (for example) the kind of person who stuffs envelopes at home, provides child care, or drags a mower from yard to yard. Honest work is honest work, and every job is temporary. You may only need a bare-bones gig to support you economically and emotionally till the meds kick in, so that you don't feel like a "burden on society," in your own words.

My own experience is that any activity you take toward controlling and improving your situation will improve your condition. Good luck,
 
Quake42 said:
I saw this and it made me so angry. Yet more medicalisation of perfectly normal behaviour.
I disagree. Unless one considers it normal for a child to have clinical depression and/or anxiety. School phobia isn't a new thing, when I was a teenager in hospital for depression there were several children there diagnosed with it and this was 1976. Believe me it isn't "perfectly normal" behaviour and if you are a child or teenager with this sort of mental health problem the "medicalisation" of it is absolutely vital!
 
Believe me it isn't "perfectly normal" behaviour and if you are a child or teenager with this sort of mental health problem the "medicalisation" of it is absolutely vital!

My problem is that by telling people - and especially young, impressionable people - that their fear of school, or the fact they are slow readers, or whatever it may be - is a medical condition, rather than something in the spectrum of normal behaviour or abilities, encourages them to think that there is nothing they can do to improve the situation themselves and that they must instead rely on professionals to help them.

In my case I had for years a pretty serious phobia about flying, to the extent that I would be physically ill before getting on a plane.

How did I deal with it? Well I didn't see any doctors or therapists. Instead I told myself that my fear of flying was preventing me doing things that I really wanted to do - like visit friends on the other side of the world. It was also making it difficult at work, which required occasional air travel. I forced myself to take flights and eventually did a couple of long haul trips.

The result was that my phobia went away. I still don't especially enjoy flying, but the feeling of terror, and the accompanying physical reactions, have disappeared.

In the case of kids who are afraid to go to school, I would suggest dealing with whatever it is that is making them scared - bullies, schoolwork they don't understand, or whatever - and then encourage them to return. Don't tell them that they have some medical problem which requires drugs, therapy and/or hospitalisation.

*Edited for typos
 
First of all, dealing with a phobia as an adult is an entirely different kettle of fish. Secondly, it isn't as simple as telling a child he has school phobia, there will be other diagnoses involved and everything will be done to make it practically possible and safe for them to go to school. A diagnosis of school phobia puts a child beyond the normal spectrum of abilities, the same as autism puts someone beyond being "a bit awkward around people". I can hardly blame you for having the reaction you do though, a lot of normal behaviour is medicalised these days, but having been in the child mental-health world at the sticky end I know this is one thing that should be taken seriously.
Being an adult with a mental health problem is one thing, being a child puts it in a whole 'nother dimension! :( They literally have no control and more importantly no emotional equipment or experience to deal with it.
 
Being an adult with a mental health problem is one thing, being a child puts it in a whole 'nother dimension! They literally have no control and more importantly no emotional equipment or experience to deal with it.

I don't know whether you can make such a sweeping statement - this would surely depend to some extent on the age of the child and his/her personal qualities?

the same as autism puts someone beyond being "a bit awkward around people".

I agree, except that a lot of people who are a little obsessive and have poor social skills, but are otherwise functional, are now being siagnosed as being in the "autistic spectrum" or with Aspergers etc. Many of these people bear no resemblance to those afflicted with classical autism.

Similarly the endless diagnoses of dyslexia, dyspraxia, ADHD etc. Many of those kids labelled as having an incurable condition are simply slow readers, badly co-ordinated, or have poor levels of self control. I really don't think this labelling is helpful.

That's not to say that there aren't children and young people with serious mental health problems who need appropriate help. I suspect that there wasn't anything like this level of over diagnosis in the 70s.
 
I fear moths - esp white furry ones.

I fear hearing myself or any one else pronounce my name .

I fear attractive people

and i fear eels
 
My fear is totally irrational and I realise that there is no may that this thing can hurt me but I still feel sick eveytime I see one.

I am afraid of butterflies.

Moths don't bother me in the slightest but butterflies are a different matter. In the summer I have to walk behind my husband and look at the floor incase I see one. Seeing them on the TV is just awful and really does make me want to vomit. I am actually feeling slightly nauseated thinking about it now.

The thing is I know exactly where it stems from. I was about 8 years old sitting in ther back of my dads car on the way to the zoo. There was a butterfly on the back window and I was screaming the place down! My dad refused to stop the car and get it out. Mind you, we where on the M6 at the time :oops:
 
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