Wembley8
Just had a look at the reference that you gave and found this:
Ca 2100 BCE
Cylinder Seals: (Sun-Moon-Venus triplet on seals becomes more frequent.)
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/page9k.html
What exactly does this mean? - becomes more frequent? It's only one hundred years away from the date I gave and a sudden interest in Venus. I can't for the life of me see how you can use this to debunk me? I'd be interested in your comments on this.
I was working on this and intended to get references for all possible, but as you insist:--
The change that took place.
The planet Venus established the present order on the earth and placed the north and south polar stars in their places. The Pawnee Indians believe that the future destruction of the world depends on the planet Venus. When the end of the world will come, the North and South poles will change places. In the past the South Star left its place a few times and came up higher, bringing about a shifting of the poles, but on these occasions the polar stars did not reverse their positions.
The Blazing Star
The Egyptian priests, said that the world conflagration was caused by a shifting of bodies
in the sky which move around the earth. The comet Venus after two contacts
with the earth, eventually became a planet. Phaethon, which means
`the blazing star,' became the Morning Star.
The Four Planet System
The planet Venus was born in the first half of the second millennium. In the third millennium only four planets could have been seen, and that in astronomical charts of this early period the planet Venus cannot be found. In an ancient Hindu table of planets, attributed to the year 3102, Venus alone among the visible planets is absent. Indian Brahmins of the early period did not know the five planet system ' and only in a later period did the Brahmins speak of five planets.
Babylonian astronomy, too, had a four planet system. In ancient prayers the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Mars and Mercury are invoked; the planet Venus is missing; and one speaks of `the four planet system of the ancient astronomers of Babylonia.' These four planet systems and the inability of the ancient Hindus and Babylonians to see Venus in the sky, even though it is more conspicuous than the other planets, are puzzling unless Venus was not among the planets.
"The great star that joins the great stars."
The great stars are, of course, the four planets Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn,
and Venus joins them as the fifth planet. When not all the orbs were yet in the heavens .
Velikovsky
Ancient Mexican records [say]...The sun was attacked by Quetzal-cohuatl; after the disappearance of this serpent-shaped heavenly body, the sun refused to shine, and during four days the world was deprived of its light; a great many people died at that time. Thereafter, the snakelike body transformed itself into a great star. The star retained the name of Quetzal-cohuatl (Quetzal-coatl). This great and brilliant star appeared for the first time in the east. Quetzal-cohuatl is the well-known name of the planet Venus.
[Quetzal-cohuatl means "a feathered serpent."]
It is written in a Samaritan chronicle that during the invasion of Palestine by the Israelites under Joshua, a new star was born in the east: "A star arose out of the east against which all magic is vain."
Chinese chronicles record that "a brilliant star appeared in the days of Yahu [Yahou]."
...the comet Venus, after two contacts with the earth, eventually became a planet...
[Ancient Hindu and Babylonian tablets only show a four planet system (Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury).]
Sanchoniathon says that Astarte (Venus) had a bull's head [two long appendages--tails of a comet]. The planet was even called Ashteroth-Karnaim, or Astarte of the Horns, a name given to a city in Canaan in honor of this deity. The golden calf worshiped by Aaron and the people at the foot of Sinai was the image of the star.
Cicero wrote: "Venus, called in Greek Phosphorus and in Latin Lucifer..."
The Egyptian Venus-Isis, the Babylonian Venus-Ishtar, the Greek Venus-Athene were goddesses pictured with serpents, and sometimes represented as dragons. "Ishtar, the fearful dragon," wrote Assurbanipal.
Since the latter part of the eighth century before the present era, Venus has followed an orbit between Mercury and earth, which it has maintained ever since. It became the Morning and Evening Star...The dreaded comet became a tame planet. It has the most nearly circular orbit among the planets.
The end of the terror which Venus kept alive for eight centuries after the days of the Exodus was the inspiration for Isaiah when he said:
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into
heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God."
Septuagint and Vulgate both translate Morning Star or Lucifer. What does it mean, that the Morning Star was assailing the heavens and rising high, and that it was cut down low to the horizon, and would weaken no more the nations?
More than a hundred generations of commentators have occupied themselves with this passage, but have met with failure.
Why, it is also asked, should the beautiful Morning Star, called Lucifer, the Light Bearer, live in the imagination of peoples as an evil power, a fallen star? What is in this lovely planet that makes her name an equivalent of Satan, or Seth of the Egyptians, the dark power? In his confusion, Origen wrote this question to the quoted verses of Isaiah: "Most evidently by these words is he shown to have fallen from heaven, who formerly was Lucifer, and who used to arise in the morning. For if, as some think, he was a nature of darkness, how is Lucifer said to have existed before? Or how could he arise in the morning, who had in himself nothing of the light?"
Lucifer was a feared prodigy in the sky, and its origin, as illuminated in this book, explains how it came to be regarded as a dark power and a fallen star.
After a great struggle, Venus achieved a circular orbit and a permanent place in the family of planets. During the perturbations which brought about this metamorphosis, Venus also lost its cometary tail.
In the valley of the Euphrates, "Venus then gives up her position as a great stellar divinity, equal with sun and moon, and joins the ranks of the other planets."
A comet became a planet.
Venus was born as a comet in the second millennium before the present era. In the middle of that millennium it twice made contact with the earth and changed its cometary orbit.
(Worlds in Collision, Immanuel Velikovsky)
. The only negatising I can see, if such a thing exists, is you attempting to deny the validity of any points or just sidetrack objections made by anyone else that happens to contradict the points you continue to make.
