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Dolls: Evil Or Just... Evil?

Spookdaddy

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I thought we already had a doll thread somewhere - in the same kind of vein as the, Clowns – evil or funny? thread. (I did look - didn’t want Rynner getting testy with me.)

The weekend before last I spent a few days with my Spanish partner in London, during which time we visited Pollock’s Toy Museum on Scala Street, near Goodge Street station. (We did the Wellcome Collection the night before: yes, shrunken heads, Japanese pornography and terrifying obstetrical equipment in the evening - and mad looking dolls the morning after; don't ever let anyone tell you that I don't know how to show a girl a good time.)

Recommended: well worth a visit if you’re into that sort of thing - amazing what we were once satisfied with when toys were inanimate lumps that didn’t require batteries and weren’t cleverer than us (even speaking as someone who is old enough to have had a foot in both camps). And the shop downstairs is full of old-school toys (you know – the type that you can actually hold in your hands and don’t require a USB connection). And Edward Gorey books. In fact, the whole place – shop, museum and building in general – does have the feel that it might have just sprung out of a Gorey illustration. (Kind of appropriately, I first became aware of Pollock's many years ago when walking home in the very early hours of a foggy London night - when I turned the corner and saw the shop front full of old toy theatres I did for a moment wonder if it was really actually there, or if I was just overtired.)

Yes - satisfyingly creepy; I’ve always found old toys, or at least the artwork and imagery that accompanies them, to be somewhat disconcerting, and wandering around a maze of small and extremely creaky old rooms is satisfyingly atmospheric – even on a day when sunlight is streaming through the windows.

And that’s before we even get onto...gulp...the dolls!

I actually did have a bit of a Fuckmyboots!! Moment when I ducked into one room and turned to see this lot staring at me:

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(They were behind glass - so I was safe. But that's not all of them, by any means.)

I noticed that I experienced an odd kind of reverse cultural relativism: whereas the British and European dolls made be shudder with a kind of mild horror, the Japanese and Chinese dolls looked positively friendly– their faces exuded a well-meaning jollity rather than the empty, cauterized and vaguely malevolent glare I usually associate with dolls (and matryoshkas have never bothered me – although I know some people have an problem with those too). I wonder if it’s because as a European the European dolls, with supposedly European faces, look more uncomfortably unheimlich than the dolls with racial features that are not my own. (Hmm, there might be something there, but it can’t just be that though – because the black dolls looked positively spooky too.)

(Oh, and if you look very closely you can see - in the top left corner of the picture - the headless image of what is clearly a very handsome and broad-shouldered apparition of immaculate taste and charming manners - clearly a sterling chap when on this side of the veil.)
 
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Plenty of threads on Dolls (no apostrophe required :twisted:)...

Oh bollock's.. I mean, bollocks. Aware that it was pre-first coffee of the day, I did my best to check the post - but forgot to look at the title...what a twat! (I was originally looking for a riff on 'Doll's House'...but ran out of steam.)

(And yes, of course I found threads with dolls in them - but they were quite specific in their subject matter.)
 
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I wonder if it’s because as a European the European dolls, with supposedly European faces, look more uncomfortably unheimlich than the dolls with racial features that are not my own. (Hmm, there might be something there, but it can’t just be that though – because the black dolls looked positively spooky too.)

The only black dolls I can recall were probably manufactured in the 60's or 70's and were basically identical to white dolls apart from skin colour. Must have used the same mould.
Of course, the black dolls you saw might have been from an earlier, less racially aware period and may have been more of a caricature than a semblance of a real child.
 

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There were gollywogs but I suppose it's best not to mention them anymore.
 

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The only black dolls I can recall were probably manufactured in the 60's or 70's and were basically identical to white dolls apart from skin colour. Must have used the same mould.
Of course, the black dolls you saw might have been from an earlier, less racially aware period and may have been more of a caricature than a semblance of a real child.
There is a black doll in spookdaddy's picture.
 

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There is a black doll in spookdaddy's picture.

Sorry, I meant that the black dolls I have seen were identical to white dolls apart from skin tone. I thought this might partly explain why Spookdaddy finds them as unnerving as white European dolls. It's hard to make out the features of the black doll in the photo, but I'd bet it was cast from the same mould as white dolls.
 

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There were gollywogs but I suppose it's best not to mention them anymore.

The museum does have golliwogs, as well as black dolls which look very much as davidplankton suggests. There were also some dolls which looked almost like fetishes (and again, to me much less spooky that the more 'realistic' ones).
 

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When I was a little girl (many years ago now), our neighbour used to have 4 dolls that she sat up in a double bed. They used to scare the life out of me. Never liked dolls in all my years, however I now have a 'coven' of 'flying' witches that hang in my hall, that have porcelain heads and hands/feet which I love to bits.
 

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'Possessed' soldier dummy has hands chopped-off after it 'attacked cadets with gun in the night'
20:44, 27 Jun 2016 Updated 20:46, 27 Jun 2016
By Rachel Bishop

Military school students said the mannequin was often spotted moving on its own after it was taken over by the evil spirit of one of their former commanders
A group of cadets say they have been forced to chop-off a "possessed" soldier dummy's hands after it kept waking up in the night and attacking them with a gun.
The military school students claim the dummy is possessed by an evil spirit and it was often spotted moving about on its own.
Some cadets have even claimed the mannequin at the unnamed institution in the Bolivian capital of La Paz has been taken over by the ghost of one of their former commanders.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/possessed-soldier-dummy-hands-chopped-8297015
 

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We did the Wellcome Collection the night before

Did you try on the straitjacket? I always want to have a go with those but I'm always on my own and don't feel sure about the etiquette.
 

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There was a massively creepy doll in Whitby museum with a face that has started to crack.

Might have a photo of it on my desktop, let me see if I can fish it out later.
 

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Originally posted photo was remote-linked and has gone MIA. Here's a replacement photo of the doll Hamble.

Hamble - always looked pissed off and angry. Why Hamble? Why?

This could be the reason...

Hamble was a little doll and one of the original five toys but dropped from the show during the 1980s to be replaced by Poppy. According to Joy Whitby, creator of Play School, Hamble was chosen as representative of a more "downtrodden", humble background than the "middle-class" associations that the teddy bears had.[4] She was disliked by presenters as she could not be cuddled.[5] According to the BBC website Chloe Ashcroft "did a terrible thing to Hamble. She just would not sit up...so one day I got a very big knitting needle, a big wooden one, and I stuck it right up her bum, as far as her head. So she was completely rigid, and she was much much better after that."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_School_(UK_TV_series)
 
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Interesting how she's filming herself and conveniently poses at the edge of the frame ensuring the cupboard door is in the shot. Almost as if she knows it will open. :thought:

Watch as 'haunted' doll Annabelle freaks out woman in her own home and terrifies her dog
Natalie Mellon believes her antique toy, which she says is about 100 years old, is at the centre of spooky goings on including doors opening on their own and objects moving.

  • BEVERLEY LYONS
    A Scot has been left terrified in her own home after a series of spooky happenings involving a 100-year-old doll.

    Natalie Mellon, 33, inherited the antique toy after a friend of her father-in-law found it in an attic.

    She has dubbed the Tiny Tears-style doll “Annabelle” after the horror movie where a seemingly innocent doll has a life of its own.

  • Etc

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-haunted-doll-annabelle-freaks-10981987
 

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I bet this is a load of bollocks. Argos should tell her to f*ck off.

A mother says her two-year-old daughter has been taught to swear by an Argos doll that appears to use a rude word.

Rachael Horton, from Birmingham, said the plastic toy was supposed to say "mama" and "papa" but instead appears to say "bitch".

She wants My Little Baby Born Walks to be withdrawn from sale.

Argos said it would be apologising to the 28-year-old, adding it had contacted the manufacturer which is based in Germany. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-41735611
 

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I bet this is a load of bollocks. Argos should tell her to f*ck off.

A mother says her two-year-old daughter has been taught to swear by an Argos doll that appears to use a rude word.

Rachael Horton, from Birmingham, said the plastic toy was supposed to say "mama" and "papa" but instead appears to say "bitch".

She wants My Little Baby Born Walks to be withdrawn from sale.

Argos said it would be apologising to the 28-year-old, adding it had contacted the manufacturer which is based in Germany. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-41735611

It definitely says 'Yer bitch! Yer bitch!' :D
 

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Saw this on a Facebook page about secondhand finds -

My most creeptastic thrift store find- this toddler sized doll that looked just like my daughter!

My daughter is in middle school now and the doll is in a closet.

I think we’ll hang on to her even after all the other toys are sold or given away.

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I do hope that little girl exploited fully all that doll's prank worthiness.
 

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Grampa's asked Santa to bring you a very special Christmas doll...

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