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End of the World Obsessions

lucydru

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Why are some religions (or parts of religions) and cults obsessed with the whole end of the world phenomenon?

Some people have always been obsessed with it. Though before and during the millennium even more became obsessed.

Many believe it is near or already here (but a slow process). Some believe then will be taken before it happens (the rapture, ect.)

Why obsess over death when you can spend your time living (how you are ment to live your life)?


luce
 
i remember posting somewhere else to the effect that americans think they're in the grip of the worst moral/national crisis in history (aside from 9/11), doorstepping jw's have a religious version of the same idea... i think it's just arrogance - our own times are the most important of all, our own people are where world-shattering events are playing out, petty crime on our streets is incredibly significant. there have been wars, massacres etc all throughout history just as horrible (in fact usually more so, though on a smaller scale) as anything in this century, and there always will be. area by area, century by century, per million people (say), it all averages out. the better life gets, the more people worry about small things - in the western world, the main health problem in lower income groups is obesity. up until the last fifty years, it was starvation.
 
There's no better way to part people from their money than if you can get them to believe there isn't going to be a tomorrow to spend it. The prospect of imminent apocalypse focuses the mind and soul somewhat. Consider if some would be messiah told you that the end of the world was coming in about 5,000 years and if you were good and kind and prayed you'd be alright. Then someone comes along and says the same thing but it's going to end in six months. You'd probably care a bit more.
 
For repentance of past sins, to cleanse your soul of darkness in the fires of the everlasting, with the year 2000 seeming particularly enticing: -

Made up, but probably somewhere out there
Even now, it is probably too late for those souls who cannot rise. For those in which the divine 'spark' is afire, a new dimension of existence is on the horizon. The souls who were without a 'wedding garment' (Matthew 17:1-19) and could not enter the highest level of the plan continue their journey in the physical planes.

Heady stuff, with mathematical predictions of the doomsday being fudged to coincide with Y2K, a nice round, even number. Who would want to die on March the 13th 2001? There’s little symmetry in that; a hidden meaning too encrypted to find.

From David Clark: Forecasting Apocalypse
The bizarre genealogy of the Branch Davidians -- as twisted as the mind of its leader -- shows the cult to be a mutant offspring of staid ancestors, fixated on biblical prophecies of disaster and the end of the world.

With its vision tightly focused on the doomsday-laden Book of Revelation, the cult began interpreting weather changes-such as the Blizzard of '93-as proof of the coming of Armageddon.

One expert thinks the group's blind belief in its own infallibility may have helped doom it.

"I've been told not only that they take the blizzard as apocalyptic, but that they predicted a series of other natural disasters,"

"When they didn't occur . . . well, it's one thing for them to reject the world, but it's another when you're the one making the predictions and they don't come through."

So, a cult of your choice picks a nice looking date states grandly that that is the date of the apocalypse, but the bummer is, even if doomsday doesn't happen, you’re finished anyway.

Some religions obsess over death, because they simply think that this existence is a stop over between an even greater existence. What fun is it owning a fiat, knowing that very soon you'll be driving a Ferrari?
 
Right. People look forward to 'the rapture' because they'll be swept away from the coming apocalypse to some kind of floating city in the sky, or something like that from what I can gather, where eternal life which is much better awaits. I'm not quite sure why it's supposed to be better, unless the alternative is either eternal torment or total oblivion.

Putting dates on things has always been a dicey business, so most evangelists settle for saying the time is "near". Evangelist Jack van Impe has a show in the US which attempts to interpret current affairs as portents of armageddon - an interesting show, and the puzzling thing for me is that Jack actually appears to look forward to the destruction of most of mankind.
 
Dark Detective said:
Putting dates on things has always been a dicey business, so most evangelists settle for saying the time is "near". Evangelist Jack van Impe has a show in the US which attempts to interpret current affairs as portents of armageddon - an interesting show, and the puzzling thing for me is that Jack actually appears to look forward to the destruction of most of mankind.


It's people like that who are looking forward to the end of the world that worry me. Acting like that isn't natural.


luce
 
These 'end of the worlders' bug me. Some people will obsess about almost anything to avoid dealing with the real problems of life. I had some Jehova's Witnesess round recently and the thing I found most irritating about them was how incredibly smug they were about everyone else going to hell.

There I was, standing on the doorstep in my night clothes, brain all fuzzy from sleep, and I'm thinking: 'Hold on, you're supposed to be christians. You're supposed to love everyone, even your enemies and you think that millions of people dying in agony and then going to hell is a good thing?'

Cujo
 
Jack van Impe (sp?) and those types scare the living hell out of me (you know what I mean). I remember being a young teenager hearing how Christ was returning any day (this was in the 80s) and fearing I'd miss out on owning a car, getting to have "intimate relations" and just essentially not getting an adulthood. Well, adulthood's here and it's over-rated, but I still think these cat's should avoid fear as a tool to manipulate people. What concerns me most is how this guy seems to be completely sincere in his interpretation of prophecy, but he (and others like him) is forced by time to keep revising. For example (and I'm kinda parahrasing), "Quaddafi is the AntiChrist," "Saddam Hussein's the AntiChrist," and "Is Osama bin Laden the AntiChrist?" We have a saying here in the States that applies: shit or get off the pot. If we're expected to listen attentively to these guys, they'd better quit making jokes out of themselves.
 
Originally posted by Nonny Mouse
Maybe Jack Van Impe is the Antichrist!

Nonny


Nonny, now that is a truly frightening prospect. Of course, if it were true, tang-malow and I would have to put off our orang-pendek expedition to take this joker out! "It's over, Van Impe!" He's on my list right after Curious George (sorry, different thread :)).
 
For those of you not familiar with Mr. van Impe, the kinds of 'prophecies' he makes are:

- The EU is the resurrection of the Roman Empire. Something in the bible about 'when the Roman Empire returns' is a portent of Armageddon.
- The armies of the world will somehow congregate in Israel to fight. China will march on Israel from the east, the Russians from the north. He also makes a lot of Jerusalem and Moscow being on a similar line of longitude (if that's the north-south line. I can never remember).
- When everyone receives the mark of the beast, the 2nd coming is not far away. The mark of the beast is a cybernetic chip which everyone will have implanted under the skin, either on the back of the hand or the forehead, that will replace paper money. When we have a paper-moneyless world the end is nigh.

I've been meaning to catch his show since Sept 11th to see what he's making of that, but haven't got round to it. :hmph:
He must have a website - anyone know it?
 
when i was 18, in the summer of 1979, i was truly disturbed because everywhere i turned i ran into someone who would go on at great length about all of the signs and portents that the Second Coming would occur VERY soon.

one gentlemen -- a very nice guy who lived in the apartment complex where i worked -- said he was sure it would be in the next 7 years. one night another guy approached me and a friend in a bar telling us that he had just gotten out of doing many years in prison at Attica (it's in NY State, and a VERY BAD place to be), that he'd become a Christian in prison, and that the end of the world was coming soon. he's the one who showed me the bar code (UPC Code) on the side of his pack of cigarettes, and told me it soon we would all have to have one on our foreheads and right hands, or else we would not be allowed to "buy or sell" (reference to the Mark of the Beast from the Book of Revelation).

not too much later in a casual conversation, I expressed my concern to a woman (the wife of a preacher) about the dangers of nuclear weapons. she told me, without missing a beat and with a completely straight face, that i shouldn't worry about nuclear war because we would all be taken up into heaven in the Rapture before the missiles exploded. that really creeped me out, and turned me off to her brand of Christianity.

i guess i was so disturbed because i was a little young and lacked perspective.

i do know, though, that for the next several years, both in Europe and North America, many of us secular folk were campaigning against the nuclear weapons buildup of the Reagan years. and in the USA, ordinary people were genuinely afraid of a different kind of "end of the world."

lately i acquired a t-shirt for a fine US "free form" radio station, WFMU in Jersey City, New Jersey, that has the slogan "Making the End Times Happy Times!" listen to them online at http://www.wfmu.org.
 
"...It is as though we have convinced ourselves that history has been our undoing. We wish that it had taken us elsewhere, but finding that it has deposited us in the precarious present, we begin to believe that it possesses its own forces and its own paths, and that it is carrying us with a with a momentum all of its own towards its final destination at the end of the world..."
Marina Benjamin "Living at the End of the World" p4

Apocalyptic thinking takes a measure of disgust with the present day, the view that it is, in some way, in a state of decay or decline. In this sense much of the rhetoric of punks early days in London was apocalyptic, the Sex Pistol's slogan "No Future" for instance. The apocalypse, the end of things, seems always to hang just out of our sight, just around the corner. Think about political rhetoric with its preoccupation with visions of collapse and decline. It is a kind of thinking we are all familiar with, unless we are complete optimists, which is not common. We all feel that anything that we have or cherish wil not be eternal but will begin to decay or finish.

Apocalyptic thought is this in extreme, a generalised feeling that, for whatever reason, the world is going to the dogs, that it is ceasing to make sense. Apocalyptic thinking generally involves a disgust wth the present day, to the extent that there is a wish to completly negate it. It is ultimately the idea that the world is so loathesome, so unpleasant and decayed from some mythic former time, that the only thing it is good for is destruction.

"The allure of generality, of totalising visions of the world and the events unfolding within it, cannot be so easily set aside, even when, as in the case of apocalypse, it opens the door to allow irrationalism to reasseart its grip on the future." p23

Many proponents of apocalyptic thought seem to have given up on any attempt to change or influence the world in which they live and suffer from a powerlessness, either believed or actual. The End of the World returns them to a sense of power as they sit and check off the events, counting down to The End. Suddenly the world is not a chaos without meaning, unconnected events take on a significance, the is a story or narrative where there was not one before. As Benjamin states, apocalyptic thinking is not good at actually looking forward because all it is concerned with is endings. What it is good at is giving meaning to the world as it is lived. Apocalyptic thinkers

"...posit a causal link between events so materially, geographically and temporally disparate, any self-respecting journalist would insist on their complete seperateness. They weave a continuous story out of the random and episodic, seeing simple truths underpinning extraordinary complexity and supernatural intent behind what looks like chance occurance." p45

All of this makes belief in apocalypse, The Rapture etc. very appealling for a variety of reasons, some of which are covered above. Another obvious one is that the believer can set themselves apart from whatever decay or wrongdoing that they recognise in the world, becoming seperate rather than complicite in the world that they dispise. They can pity those who do not see as they do. Most apocalyptic sects are seperatist.

It is also appealling in that to believe is to have a kind of passivity. The End WILL come, whether you like it or not. It feels active to be making the links, watching for the signs, but in real terms there is very little action. I see it as a 'get out' clause in thinking, from having to actively engage with the realities of the world, a kind of throwing up of hands nd saying "well don't say I didn't tell you so".

All quotes from Benjamin, Marina "Living at the End of The World", Picador, London, 1998
 
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