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Fountain Of Youth

MrRING

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Was Ponce de Leon's Fountain of Youth search based on a real legend of the time, a then current urban legend, or a real place that it was felt by locals to have healting properties?

Also, did de Leon have a drwan or described map or was he guessing on location based on stories?
 
Finally found a good bit on this AT THIS SITE

Florida's Fountain of Youth: Likely Origins of the Legend

According to tradition, the natives of Hispaniola, Puerto Rico and Cuba told the early Spanish explorers that in Bimini (Beniny), a land to the north, there was a river, spring or fountain where waters had such miraculous curative powers that any old person who bathed in them would regain his youth. About the time of Columbus's first voyage, says the legend, an Arawak chief named Sequene, inspired by the fable of the curative waters, had migrated from Cuba to southern Florida. It seems that other parties of islanders had made attempts to find Bimini, which was generally described as being in the region of the Bahamas.
Juan Ponce de Leon (1460-1521), who had been with Columbus on his second voyage in 1493 and who had later conquered and become governor of Puerto Rico, is supposed to have learned of the fable from the Indians. The fable was not new, and probably Ponce de Leon was vaguely cognizant of the fact that such waters had been mentioned by medieval writers, and that Alexander the Great had searched for such waters in eastern Asia. A similar legend was known to the Polynesians, whose tradition located the fountain of perpetual youth in Hawaii.

As described to the Spanish, Bimini not only contained a spring of perpetual youth but teemed with gold and all sorts of riches. The fact that the party of Arawaks who had gone in that direction had never returned was taken as evidence that they must have found the happy land!

In that age of discovery, when new wonders and novelties were disclosed every year, not only the Spanish explorers but also men of learning accepted such stories with childlike credulity. Pietro Martire d'Anghiera (1472-1528), an Italian geographer and historian who moved to Spain in 1487 and who is known as "Peter Martyr" wrote to Pope Leo X in 1513: "Among the islands of the north side of Hispaniola, there is about 325 leagues distant, as they say who have searched the same, in which is a continual spring of running water, of such marvelous virtue that the water thereof being drunk, perhaps with some diet, maketh old men young again." The chronicler himself discounted the tale, but he told his Holiness that "they have so spread this rumor for a truth through all the court, that not only all the people, but also many of them whom wisdom or fortune hath divided from the common sort, think it to be true."

Ponce de Leon, who had become wealthy in the colonial service, equipped three ships at his own expense and set out to find the land of riches and perhaps the mythical fountain that would restore his health and make him young again. It is a common, mistake to suppose that he was then an old man. He was only about fifty-three.

Ponce de Leon, like most of the other early Spanish explorers and conquerors, was looking primarily for gold, slaves and other "riches," and it is not likely that he actually put much stock in the fable of the fountain of youth, if he had heard about it at all.

That fable was not associated with de Leon's name until long afterwards, when Hernando de Escaiante de Fontaneda told it in his account of Florida. In 1545 Fontaneda, at the age of thirteen, was shipwrecked on the coast of Florida and spent seventeen years as a captive of the Indians. He was finally rescued, probably by the French in northeastern Florida, and later returned to the peninsula as an interpreter for Menendez in 1565. Antonio de Herrera y Tordesilias (1540?-1625) had access to Fontaneda's manuscript and incorporated the story in his history of the Indies.

Whether any Europeans had visited Florida before Ponce de Leon's first expedition is not known for certain. Some authorities suppose that both John Cabot and Amerigo Vespucci had explored and mapped part of the coast. At any rate, Alberto Cantino's Spanish map of 1502 indicated a peninsula corresponding to Florida.

On March 27, 1513 (not 1512 as often stated), after searching vainly for Bimini among the Bahamas, Ponce de Leon sighted the North American mainland, which he took to be an island, and on April 2 he landed somewhere on the eastern coast. Nobody knows for certain where he first set foot on Florida soil. Some suppose that it was north of St. Augustine, while others think it was as far south as Cape Canav- eral. Either because the discovery was made during the Easter season, or because he found flowers on the coast, or for both reasons, he named the country La Florida. In Spanish, Easter Sunday is la pascua florida, literally "the flowery passover." "And thinking that this land was an island they named it La Florida because they discovered it in the time of the flowery festival."
 
A Nice WIKI article makes it almost sound like the Fountain of Youth is Viagra... :shock:
It is Herrera who makes that connection definite in the romanticized version of Fontaneda's story included in his Historia general de los hechos de los Castellanos en las islas y tierra firme del Mar Oceano. Herrera states that native caciques paid regular visits to the fountain. A frail old man could become so completely restored that he could resume "all manly exercises… take a new wife and beget more children." Herrera adds that the Spaniards had unsuccessfully searched every "river, brook, lagoon or pool" along the Florida coast for the legendary fountain.[1] It would appear the Sequene story is likewise based on a garbling of Fontaneda.

And it also links to Florida's offical Fountain of Youth Site
 
Nutty
Copperfield: Real Fountain Found?

Magician David Copperfield told the Reuters news service that he has found the Fountain of Youth in the southern Bahamas, amid a cluster of four tiny islands he recently bought for $50 million.

One of his islands in the Exuma chain, Musha Cay, is a private resort that rents for up to $300,000 a week.

Copperfield is coy about his reasons for the Fountain of Youth claim, but the man best known for entertaining with grand deception insists his archipelago also contains the legendary waters that bestow perpetual youth. Seriously. "I've discovered a true phenomenon," Copperfield told Reuters in a telephone interview. "You can take dead leaves, they come in contact with the water, they become full of life again. ... Bugs or insects that are near death, come in contact with the water, they'll fly away. It's an amazing thing, very, very exciting."

Copperfield, who turns 50 next month, said he has hired biologists and geologists to examine its potential effect on humans, but he's not inviting visitors to swim in or drink from it just yet.
 
Did Ponce de Leon venture further North?

... Meanwhile, many of you will have already seen that over the weekend former television personality Scott F. Wolter posted a blog entry asking whether a curvilinear carving on the so-called Overtone Stone is the signature of Juan Ponce de Leon during a heretofore undocumented excursion to Nova Scotia.

The evidence Wolter offers for consideration is laughably thin, even by his standards. The rock is covered with a number of inscriptions, ranging from a Christian cross to a leaf to Arabic numerals. One figure includes two curved figures formed from a single line. Wolter suggests an inconceivably stupid explanation for it:While there is no known record of the famous explorer ever sailing as far north as Nova Scotia, but that doesn't mean he could not have. The symbol circled in the image of Juan Ponce de Leon's signature below is the reason I bring up the possibility. The "de" in de Leon's signature is strikingly familiar to the double looped carving on the Overton Stone. The only meaningful difference between the two symbols is the bottom end of the carved line on the far right bends to the left instead of the right.
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Juan Ponce de Leon's signature. The "De" appears on the left of line 2.
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Tracing of the lower carvings on the Overton stone. The linked curves are in line 1 at left. ...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/j...-overton-stone-of-nova-scotia-whats-in-a-name
 
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Juan Ponce de Leon's signature. The "De" appears on the left of line 2.
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Tracing of the lower carvings on the Overton stone. The linked curves are in line 1 at left. ...

The hooked 'tails' of the characters in the stylized 'de' are supposed to extend in opposite directions (as illustrated in the first image above).

How do you explain the Overton Stone version horizontally (and only partially ... ) reversing a cursive 'e'?
 
The hooked 'tails' of the characters in the stylized 'de' are supposed to extend in opposite directions (as illustrated in the first image above).

How do you explain the Overton Stone version horizontally (and only partially ... ) reversing a cursive 'e'?

Maybe ask/comment that at the article?
 
Earlier I posted about magician David Copperfield claiming to have found the Fountain of Youth on some islands he purchased. A follow-up to this story now exists:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvqm4y/the-magicians-retreat-234098-v20n8
Several years ago, the magician David Copperfield issued a press release stating he'd discovered the fountain of youth on his private islands in the Bahamas. "We found this liquid that in its simple stages can actually do miraculous things," Copperfield claimed. "You can take dead leaves, they come into contact with the water, they become full of life again. Bugs or insects that are near death come in contact with the water, they fly away. It's an amazing thing, very exciting."

Copperfield had hired biologists and geologists to examine the fountain's potential effects on humans. Until the tests were carried out, the magician said, he was refusing anyone else access to the water. Its precise location—a spot where "everything is more vibrant, ageless, and full of life"—is a secret.

All I knew was that the fountain was somewhere on one of the 11 Islands of Copperfield Bay, a 700-acre archipelago he'd discovered by drawing a cartographical line from Stonehenge to the statues of Easter Island and another line between the Great Pyramid of Giza and the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacán; the lines intersected at the exact latitude and longitude of his Caribbean hideaway. In aerial photographs, the main island resembles a bat with its wings outstretched.


It seemed like a story just waiting to be written, and after a lengthy negotiating period, Copperfield agreed to let me visit for a few days. He was adamant in his refusal to show me the fountain, which he described as "a liquid that reverses genes."


"You won't see my wrinkled hand go into a stream and come out young," he said. "This is not a trick. But if you want to talk about the meaning of the fountain—that, we can do. I speak about the fountain with great verbal aplomb."
 
Bugs or insects that are near death come in contact with the water, they fly away.
Does this mean:
'We half kill some insects, then throw water over them. They survive, which is nice.'
 
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