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Galloway on Iraqi Payroll?

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Not sure if this should also be in the Conspiracy section.......Daily Torygraph up to their usual tricks...............

http://media.guardian.co.uk/iraqandthemedia/story/0,12823,941141,00.html

"Galloway threatens to sue Telegraph

Ciar Byrne
Tuesday April 22, 2003


Galloway: 'smear campaign'

Labour MP George Galloway today vowed to sue the Daily Telegraph for libel over its explosive front page story alleging that he was in the pay of Saddam Hussein.

The Telegraph's Baghdad correspondent, David Blair, discovered a confidential memorandum in the looted office of the Iraqi foreign minister that purported to show that Mr Galloway received a share of oil earnings from the toppled dictator's regime worth £375,000 a year.

However, Mr Galloway strenuously denied the claims and said the evidence was fabricated as part of a smear campaign against him.

"I will be suing for libel, without any equivocation. The Daily Telegraph produces no evidence for the serious allegations that they make other than a document, which they say popped into their hands in a search through a cruise missile and smoke blackened building," Mr Galloway told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"I have never seen a barrel of oil, owned a barrel of oil, bought or sold a barrel of oil... What I can tell you is that I have never had any such conversation with anyone that was described apparently in these documents which the Daily Telegraph have miraculously had in their hands. Therefore somebody somewhere has fabricated them.

"I expected a witch-hunt, which has been going on now for some weeks... a kind of hate campaign being built up, and so I have been expecting that atmosphere of witch-hunt to continue, but I am surprised at the allegations in the Daily Telegraph this morning," he added.

However, Blair told Today he was convinced the document implicating Mr Galloway was genuine.

"Nobody steered me in that direction at all. We just went and purely by chance we stumbled across this room which had these files in it, and again purely by chance we came across these files which carried the label Britain. And it was two days before we had actually gone through the contents and found this document.

"I find it very hard to believe that this document is not authentic. I think it would require an enormous amount of imagination to believe that someone went to the trouble of composing a forged document in Arabic and then planting it in a file of patently authentic documents and burying it in a darkened room on the off-chance that a British journalist might happen upon it and might bother to translate it. That strikes me as so wildly improbable as to be virtually inconceivable."

The editor of the Daily Telegraph, Charles Moore, told Today he stood by the newspaper's story.

"The state of documents in any ministry in Iraq is not in apple pie order, but your listeners heard David Blair, our correspondent who found the document, describe the situation, and that seems to be a strong prima facie case that these are genuine documents.

"When you find a document of this sort, what you need to establish is the prima facie case for its validity, and then you get the other side of the story, you get the person in question to put his side. That is what we have done. I would think that would be perfectly conventional journalistic behaviour."

The memo, which the Telegraph claims was sent to Saddam by the head of the Iraqi intelligence service, said Mr Galloway had asked for a greater cut of Iraq's exports under the oil for food programme and that he was profiting from food contracts.

Moore argued that the memo suggested Mr Galloway had received money.

"What the memo says is that he got a lot but he is asking for more. It says that he has already obtained money through the oil for food programme, and he has also obtained what it calls a limited number of food contracts with the ministry of trade. The percentage of profits does not go above 1%.

"This is all a memo of a meeting with Mr Galloway which took place on Boxing Day 1999, and what the memo says is that Mr Galloway wants more than that."

Galloway denied any such meeting with an Iraqi intelligence officer had ever taken place, adding, "Mr Moore is in big trouble with his front page exclusive today".

"I have never in my life to my knowledge ever met an Iraqi intelligence agent, and given my access, as is well known, to the very top leadership in Iraq on the political side, why would I conceivably wish to have such a conversation with an agent?

"The only thing extremely clear about this story is that it is clearly false, and will be demonstrated in the courts of law as false.

"It is really very straightforward. If I had sold oil under the oil for food programme and sold food to Iraq under the oil for food programme, the cheques would have been written by the United Nations in New York.

"So all we will have to do is check with the UN whether they have ever written me any cheques, when they wrote them and where the money went. And no such thing ever happened."

Mr Galloway is often jokingly referred to as the "MP for Baghdad Central" after campaigning for more than a decade against Anglo-American policy towards Iraq and the sanctions imposed on Saddam's regime.

He came under fire from the Sun during the Iraqi conflict when he described Tony Blair and George Bush as "wolves" over their military intervention.

The MP for Glasgow Kelvin responded by accusing the Sun of "cancerous racist pornographic propaganda".

Today he dismissed the Telegraph's story as part of the same "smear campaign" against him.

"This attack is part of a smear campaign against those who stood against the illegal and bloody war on Iraq and against its occupation by foreign forces," he said.

"As I am out of the country, writing a book about Iraq, I have not seen the so-called 'documents' the Telegraph - a highly partisan source - claims to have access to.

"The idea that such documents have, as if to order, come to light just days after the massive assault on Baghdad, the looting and destruction of its ministries and government buildings, and the chaos in the country must be treated as highly suspect.

"This is especially so in the light of the widespread deception and forgery deployed already by those bent upon war on Iraq, for example in the so-called 'Dossier' and in the forged documents, now discredited, appearing to show Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger.

"Without having seen the Telegraph's documents, from the way they have been described to me I can state that they bear all the hallmarks of having been either forged or doctored and are designed to discredit those who stood against the war."
 
I'd string him up in parliament square and charge £5 to spend ten minutes throwing tomatoes, beans and rusty metal cogs at him.
Would bring in at least what was spent on the war

:D
 
Bilderberger said:
However, Blair told Today he was convinced the document implicating Mr Galloway was genuine.

"Nobody steered me in that direction at all. We just went and purely by chance we stumbled across this room which had these files in it, and again purely by chance we came across these files which carried the label Britain. And it was two days before we had actually gone through the contents and found this document.

"I find it very hard to believe that this document is not authentic. I think it would require an enormous amount of imagination to believe that someone went to the trouble of composing a forged document in Arabic and then planting it in a file of patently authentic documents and burying it in a darkened room on the off-chance that a British journalist might happen upon it and might bother to translate it. That strikes me as so wildly improbable as to be virtually inconceivable."
Gosh! Y'know, I've just come up the Clyde on a banana boat and I believe that, extraordinarily hard working, Daily Telegraph journalist, Mr David Blair. I'm also sure that, through his establishment links, he has absolutely no connection with British 'intelligence sources.' :hmph:
 
Well, he wouldn't be the first politician in parliament to have dodgy links.
 
If it's in the newspapers it must be true.
Mustn't it?

They wouldn't lie would they?
 
Can he sue?

Can he sue for libel? I know that at one point MPs couldn't sue for libel (sort of a quid pro quo for being able to spout rubbish about members of public without risk of being sued for libel.) I also have a vague recollection that the law may have been modified for the Hamilton affair. (Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to remain an MP and also sue the press, etc.) Anyone know what the current position is?

The story itself is well suited to the conspiracy section. Either it's a conspiracy to "get Galloway" or it's a conspiracy by Galloway. Whilst I'm tempted to go with the "the Telegraph/gov. is out to get him" theory, I'm a bit concerned about the apparent high risk to benefit ratio.

Was George Galloway really seen as a threat to the establishment? He was pretty vociferous against the war, but then again so were quite a few MPs. A little while back he claimed that Tony was going to withdraw the whip, and that he would fight the evil machinations of the party, but that doesn't seem to have happened. At the time it seemed like a bit of a paper tiger with George bravely trying to fight the good fight, when the other side couldn't care less. To be honest I don't really see Blair caring about what Galloway does, so would a black propaganda operation like this be sanctioned? :confused:

Still, it could go either way. I look forward to the story providing many column inches over the next few weeks. ;)
 
I personally think George Galloway is an opinionated, self serving, publicity seeking prat who is so caught up in his own world-view that reality no longer impinges.

I do doubt however that he is a traitor who was in the pay of a foreign government.

I have a deep and abiding mistrust of spooks and I think this whole thing stinks to high heaven. Even the figure of 375000 sounds suspiciously precise - unusual numbers plucked out of the air always sound more authoritative. Anyway if it is true it shouldn't prove too difficult to track down the money. There's millions of it after all.

And yes, Galloway is lieing:
"I have never in my life to my knowledge ever met an Iraqi intelligence agent,

He couldn't have got near Saddam Hussein without being surrounded by Iraqi intelligence officials.

How can you tell a politician's lieing?
Their lips move.
 
Excellent stuff.

Incidentally, have there any been any famous Glaswegians who weren't crooks?

Just asking, like. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Physick I do doubt however that he is a traitor who was in the pay of a foreign government.


That doesn't make him a traitor. If he sold secrets of some sort to the Iraqis, then technically he would be.
 
taras said:
Excellent stuff.

Incidentally, have there any been any famous Glaswegians who weren't crooks?

Just asking, like. :rolleyes:
Dr. David McKail, my great grandfather and local hero...
Billy Connelly...
 
the Torygraph is the traditional rout for MI5 to diseminate things... true or otherwise... i hope he does sue em and see what happens. Itll be an interesting dase.
 
Niles Calder said:
Dr. David McKail, my great grandfather and local hero...
Never heard of him, he can't be that famous :)

Billy Connelly...

Some of his jokes are "criminal!" HEHEHEHE :tongue:
 
There may be a solution that exonerates all (or at least most) parties. IIRC after the end of the cold war there were a number of files held by the old eastern bloc intel. agencies that suggested that a whole host of well-known folk were agents. From what I recall, a lot of these cases were fabrications. Not by western agencies, but by the eastern agencies that were wanting to impress superiors with the list of important figures that were under their influence. Perhaps that is what is going on here, possibly with a bit of corruption ("I need £375000 in unmarked bills to pay my brave agent of influence, George Galloway.")

Just a thought. ;)
(I still think that he's a plonker, though.)
 
More Telegraph Rooting Through Bombed Out Buildings

Story

German spies offered help to Saddam in run-up to war
By David Harrison in Baghdad
(Filed: 20/04/2003)

Germany's intelligence services attempted to build closer links to Saddam's secret service during the build-up to war last year, documents from the bombed Iraqi intelligence HQ in Baghdad obtained by The Telegraph reveal.

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Documents recovered from Iraqi intelligence HQ in Baghdad

They show that an agent named as Johannes William Hoffner, described as a "new German representative in Iraq" who had entered the country under diplomatic cover, attended a meeting with Lt Gen Taher Jalil Haboosh, the director of Iraq's intelligence service.

During the meeting, on January 29, 2002, Lt Gen Haboosh says that the Iraqis are keen to have a relationship with Germany's intelligence agency "under diplomatic cover", adding that he hopes to develop that relationship through Mr Hoffner.

The German replies: "My organisation wants to develop its relationship with your organisation."

In return, the Iraqis offered to give lucrative contracts to German companies if the Berlin government helped prevent an American invasion of the country.

The revelations come a week after The Telegraph reported that Russia had spied for the Iraqis, passing them intelligence about a meeting between Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister. Both the British and Italian governments have launched investigations.

The meeting between the Iraqi and German agents took place some six months before Chancellor Schröder's Social Democrat-led government began its policy of direct opposition to the idea of an American/British-led war against Iraq. The policy was adopted in the heat of last year's German general election campaign, at a time when the Social Democrats were widely predicted to lose the contest. Mr Schröder was re-elected as Chancellor last September, largely because of the popularity of his government's outspoken opposition to the war against Iraq. The apparently verbatim account of the meeting between Lt Gen Haboosh and Mr Hoffner was among documents recovered by The Telegraph in the rubble of the Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad, which was heavily bombed.

During the meeting, Lt Gen Haboosh tells the German agent that Iraq has "big problems" with Britain and the United States. "We have problems with Britain because it occupied Iraq for 60 years and with America because of its aggression for 11 years," he says.

He adds, however, that Iraq has no problems with Germany and suggests that Germany will be rewarded with lucrative contracts if it offers international support to Iraq. "When the American conspiracy is finished, we will make a calculation for each state that helps Iraq in its crisis."

He also urges Mr Hoffner to lobby the German government to raise its diplomatic mission in Baghdad to full ambassadorial level. Mr Hoffner says that it would be a decision for the German foreign ministry, but Germany's diplomatic presence in the Iraqi capital made it easier for him to enter Iraq because he was able to use diplomatic cover.

Last night, a spokesman for the German government said it was "well known" that it had been offered lucrative contracts by Baghdad providing it maintained an anti-Iraq war stance. "Iraq made these kinds of promises before the war and praised Germany for its position," he said.

Iraqi police handed Saddam Hussein's finance minister to American forces after capturing him in Baghdad, raising hopes of tracing billions of dollars the ousted dictator may have spirited away. Hikmat Ibrahim al-Azzawi, who was also a deputy prime minister, is number 45 on America's list of 55 most-wanted Iraqis.
 
Hmm indeed,

Now i have no love for this chap myself, i think he's a bit of a cretin actually but i've just watched Newsnight and it was pretty funny. More like Brasseye. They essentially said that although these allegations are, as yet, unproved, his past shows that he's obviously a dodgy fellow and even if they are never proved he should still be loathed. Just in case even the sun readers who had tuned in by mistake didn't get the point the rest of the article was conducted with a giant black and white blow-up of his face looming over the proceedings in much the same fashion as the iconic images of Charles Manson, Peter Sutcliffe, and Myra Hindley are.

So subtle but yet so obvious,
 
After watching Newsnight, a new theory... :)
Is it possible that his intermediary did it? Intermediating away all of that money. Yet another thought. ;)
 
The Yitthian said:
They essentially said that although these allegations are, as yet, unproved, his past shows that he's obviously a dodgy fellow and even if they are never proved he should still be loathed.
I suspect that the journalist, threatened by GG's mate with unspeakable things, might have a bit of a grudge. ;)
 
taras said:
Never heard of him, he can't be that famous :)
You Glasweigian?

If not then of course you haven't. Go to Glasgow and you'll find streets named after him... :rolleyes:
 
George Hamilton - fitup or what?

Brit Member of Parliament George Hamilton, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war who called Blair & Bush war criminals is currently being accused of accepting a £350,500 backhander off Saddams secret police

Heres the deal

A Daily Telegraph journo in Baghdad visits the Ministry of Information building, or whats left of it following 2 cruise missile hits and sundry looters, and stumbles across a file containing the relevant papers indicating the bribe. Out of the millions of papers presumably strewn around the rubble.

The Daily Torygraph has strong proven links with MI5 / 6 and is more establishment oriented than Maggie Thatcher

Hamilton is doing his nut and suing

However if we do detect the hand of the spooks in all this (and I for one do) he may have a hell of a time proving his innocence

These will not be docs knocked up in Photoshop. They will have an established trail and a legacy. Electronic trace of the cash might be harder to fake, but these are world class spooks. Who knows?

Deals are being done in Baghdad just as they were in Kabul and Peshawar. Given a choice between camp X and a nice condo in California with a US passport and a Caddy on the drive….

Is George doomed?
 
If I was Mr Hamilton, I'd point out it was just the same case they had
made against George Galloway.

That should confuse them. :confused:
 
Would this chap be any relation to George Galloway?
 
er

I meant to do that to see if anybody was paying attention

sorry about that
 
It looks like some of the documents found are genuine, and also ones that you would think would be in possession of the Iraqi gov.

From today's Grauniad...

Are the documents genuine?

The Daily Telegraph says it employed two translators to prepare English language versions of the key texts. One of the letters, in English, was from Mr Galloway certifying that Fawaz Zureikat was "my representative in Baghdad on all matters concerning my work with the Mariam Appeal". The Labour MP yesterday confirmed he had written such a letter of authorisation. Another of the letters found in the files - from Canon Andrew White of the international ministry at Coventry Cathedral - is accurate.

Is the story the documents tell the truth?

Mr Galloway has dismissed the key document, supposedly written by the head of Iraqi intelligence service, as doctored evidence or a forgery. As for the date of the alleged meeting, Boxing Day 1999, he told the Telegraph he did spend one Christmas in Baghdad but could not recall if it was that year. A Reuters agency report from Baghdad dated the following day, December 27 1999, however, reported his presence in the Iraqi capital where he had been "hailed for his 'spirit of knighthood' after disclosing plans to fly in a planeload of medicine". The Reuters account also said the Scottish politician had been received by Iraq's vice-chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, Izzat Ibrahim.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,941528,00.html

By inserting genuine documents that would reasonably be found together in Iraq (but would be a harder trawl to collect from elsewhere), with the (alleged) document relating to GG it suggests that the conspiracy (if it exists), by establishment figures in the west, would have to be more involved than previously thought.

My money's still on one of the two alternatives that I outlined above, but the story appears to be gaining legs...
 
As a Glaswegian who had “Gorgeous” George Galloway as my MP I know a little of his past and have little doubt that this man would have no compunction about taking the money. For several years when he visited his constituency people often wondered how a man on an MPs salary could afford a red Mercedes soft top. There were also rumours and a TV investigation into the Dundee Labour Club money and a newspaper investigation into the War On Want charity expenses. Obviously now people want a look at the Miriam Appeal charity accounts, that have never been public before. There have also been allegations of links with Sinn Fein/IRA.

What strikes me as suspicious is that all this has been known for years, especially his lavish spending and his property portfolio, which if the papers are to be believed runs to £1m. (This is a quite a bit of equity for a working class man from Dundee to have accumulated on a modest salary)

What are the chances of a torygraph journalist accidentally running across this in a bombed, burned and looted building…. about zero. My own belief is that the ministry of information would be cleared by American troops as one of the first acts following the taking of the area. This is how the UK and US armies have operated since WW2. I personally believe that this document was in the possession of UK security forces for some time, but if it were released it would compromise an Iraqi agent in a vital position. After the war the document is passed straight to the newspapers with a fake cover that it had been “found”.

The removal of Galloway as a traitor suits everyone except those seeking the truth. The British public gets a hate figure to help popularise the most unpopular war ever. The political establishment gets rid of a dangerous man without the embarrassing visits to the courts to have him stripped of his labour party membership. The next Labour Party candidate does not have to contend with an “Independent” George Galloway.
 
Tarras Says:
Incidentally, have there any been any famous Glaswegians who weren't crooks?


Here is the link to the famous (and some meritoriuos) Glaswegians (A-H and I-W )

I am also Glaswegian and aside from speeding convictions have had no brushes with the law.... With the exception of when I stole all the dignity and self respect from the contestants on Temptation Island.
 
I still fail to see why there is any real suprise - okay, granted, the source is a bit of a shocker, but one has to consider that alot of policticans in the UK are on the take in some way or other. I know that they have to declare it, but my feeling has always been that such things shouldn't be allowed to happen in the first place. Their basic salary is pretty good and they can vote themselves payrises (and often do).
 
tzb57r said:
I am also Glaswegian and aside from speeding convictions have had no brushes with the law.... With the exception of when I stole all the dignity and self respect from the contestants on Temptation Island.

so aside from several convictions you never been nicked?

case for the prosecution rests, m'Lud
 
James Whitehead said:
If I was Mr Hamilton, I'd point out it was just the same case they had
made against George Galloway.

That should confuse them. :confused:

makes perfect sense to me. Where did George Hamilton get his perma-tan, if not from the sun-drenched streets of old Baghdad? And he already has a solid record of outrageous behaviour, taking in Dynasty, The Bold and the Beautiful and culminating in stints on the American version of Celebrity Squares. If that's not criminal, I don't know what is.

As for Galloway, who cares? The guy is a total winky, but I'm far more scared about people who are smart enough to keep their rampaging ego under cover and whose snidy financial links to tinpot dictators are far more carefully guarded.

I wouldn't wee on him if he was on fire though, that's for sure.
 
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