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Global Warming & Climate Change: The Phenomenon

The end to the bizarre 3 year LaNina has turned into El Niño as the Pacific heats up.

The UN has issued a coming summer heat warning for the planet.
 
WMO issues statement.

Bad-faith actors spreading lies about climate change, warns WMO​

As recently as Tuesday, the term #climatescam was trending on Twitter, with a raft of posters decrying the scientific consensus around climate change as not credible.

Public knowledge around climate change is being marred by "widespread" misinformation by "bad faith actors sowing doubt and confusion", according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).

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Check out our Sustainability and Climate Change Hub where you will find the latest news, features, opinions and analysis on this topic from across the various Irish Examiner topic desks and their team of specialist writers and columnists.

The body has urged scientists, communicators, and laypeople alike to be ready to combat disinformation, as social media giants such as Twitter see a proliferation in recent months of climate change deniers since billionaire Elon Musk promoted a "free speech" ethos upon his takeover of the platform.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41151019.html
 
WMO issues statement.

Bad-faith actors spreading lies about climate change, warns WMO​

As recently as Tuesday, the term #climatescam was trending on Twitter, with a raft of posters decrying the scientific consensus around climate change as not credible.

Public knowledge around climate change is being marred by "widespread" misinformation by "bad faith actors sowing doubt and confusion", according to the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).

SUSTAINABILITY & CLIMATE​

Check out our Sustainability and Climate Change Hub where you will find the latest news, features, opinions and analysis on this topic from across the various Irish Examiner topic desks and their team of specialist writers and columnists.

The body has urged scientists, communicators, and laypeople alike to be ready to combat disinformation, as social media giants such as Twitter see a proliferation in recent months of climate change deniers since billionaire Elon Musk promoted a "free speech" ethos upon his takeover of the platform.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41151019.html

What do these people stand to gain when they attempt to lead people astray? The simplest example is to ask them to observe a cloudy night, and what happens to the temperature.

A Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B is required...I hear Mars is quite pleasant at the moment.
 
I've probably already posted this, but I think it's worth a listen:


And this, just in:

 
Yeti habitats under threat from climate change.

Declassified Cold War–era spy satellite film shows that the melting of hundreds of Himalayan glaciers has sped up in recent decades.

An analysis of 650 of the largest glaciers in the mountain range revealed that the total ice mass in 2000 was 87 percent of the 1975 mass. By 2016, the total ice mass had shrunk to only 72 percent of the 1975 total. The data show that the glaciers are receding twice as fast now as they were at the end of the 20th century, report Joshua Maurer, a glaciologist at Columbia University, and colleagues June 19 in Science Advances.

The primary cause for that acceleration, the researchers found, was warming: Temperatures in the region have increased by an average 1 degree Celsius from 2000 to 2016.

Meltwater from Himalayan glaciers are a source of freshwater to hundreds of millions of people each year. However, recent studies examining changes in glacier mass from 2000 to 2016 have shown that this store of freshwater is shrinking, threatening future water security in the region (SN Online: 5/29/19).

https://www.sciencenews.org/article..._medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks062319

The Yeti & human habitats face even worse threats.

Himalayan glaciers providing critical water to nearly two billion people are melting faster than ever before due to climate change, exposing communities to unpredictable and costly disasters, scientists warned Tuesday.

The glaciers disappeared 65 percent faster from 2011 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, according to a report by the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD).

"As it gets warmer, ice will melt, that was expected, but what is unexpected and very worrying is the speed," lead author Philippus Wester told AFP. "This is going much faster than we thought."

Glaciers in the Hindu Kush Himalaya (HKH) region are a crucial water source for around 240 million people in the mountainous regions, as well as for another 1.65 billion people in the river valleys below, the report said.

Based on current emissions trajectories, the glaciers could lose up to 80 percent of their current volume by the end of the century, said the Nepal-based ICIMOD, an inter-governmental organization that also includes member countries Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, and Pakistan.

The glaciers feed 10 of the world's most important river systems, including the Ganges, Indus, Yellow, Mekong, and Irrawaddy, and directly or indirectly supply billions of people with food, energy, clean air, and income.

Ganges River Waterfall At Gangotri Glacier


Ganges river waterfall at Gangotri glacier. (Gaurav Gupta/Canva Pro)


"With two billion people in Asia reliant on the water that glaciers and snow here hold, the consequences of losing this cryosphere (a frozen zone) are too vast to contemplate," said ICIMOD's deputy chief Izabella Koziell. ...

https://www.sciencealert.com/himalayan-glaciers-are-melting-65-faster-than-just-10-years-ago
 
Wouldn't it be nice if everybody thought, 'wouldn't it be nice if we all thought renewable energy sources are the way to go from here'...

Wouldn't it be nice if we could source renewable energy for our transport and domestic situations that didn't make a large percentage of our population be forced to choose between comfort, and food, or medication, or housing...

I think that it would be nice to not have to worry about the pennies when energy CEO's decide to increase my electricity bills by 30%...

Then Those that are so moved to make ridiculous statements can't give the non renewable sector an excuse to bag any effort for the single minded pursuit of renewable energy - would they.

Wouldn't it be nice....
 
Yeah because anyone that finds a cheap, 'green' source of fully sustainable, renewable energy isn't going to make any money out of it, are they?
 
Yeah because anyone that finds a cheap, 'green' source of fully sustainable, renewable energy isn't going to make any money out of it, are they?
Good point Trev...At the moment I use an annual average of 14 kWh per day, which means that I export to the energy provider an annual average of 15.4 kWh per diem due to the capacity of my solar arrangement...and due to the fact that I cannot afford to shell out $AU 10,000 for a battery.

I am paying, on an average, .49 cents a kWh to my provider while I am paid .06 cents for each kWh I export to the grid.


The new financial year will see an increase of 30% in charges levied at energy consumers, and no increase in payment for energy gleaned from rooftop solar. All the while, these Providers are receiving 30,000 gWh (2021) from solar panels on their punters roofs.

....Which just confirms your Post.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if everybody thought, 'wouldn't it be nice if we all thought renewable energy sources are the way to go from here'...

Wouldn't it be nice if we could source renewable energy for our transport and domestic situations that didn't make a large percentage of our population be forced to choose between comfort, and food, or medication, or housing...

I think that it would be nice to not have to worry about the pennies when energy CEO's decide to increase my electricity bills by 30%...

Then Those that are so moved to make ridiculous statements can't give the non renewable sector an excuse to bag any effort for the single minded pursuit of renewable energy - would they.

Wouldn't it be nice....
I agree, can you imagine if every house and building in the UK was fitted with solar panels, how much money people would save and how much money the energy companies would lose, and thus we have the answer they are not interested in giving us the means to supply or supplement the power we need as individual households
 
This is most concerning, as it is so dramatic and appears to have occurred so quickly.

The North Atlantic is experiencing a ‘totally unprecedented’ marine heat wave

230620140049-uk-marine-heatwave-graphic.jpg

"Temperatures in parts of the North Atlantic Ocean are soaring off the charts, with an “exceptional” marine heat wave happening off the coasts of the United Kingdom and Ireland, sparking concerns about impacts on marine life.

Parts of the North Sea are experiencing a category 4 marine heat wave – defined as “extreme” – according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In some areas, water temperatures are up to 5 degrees Celsius (9 Fahrenheit) hotter than usual."

Full story on CNN.com
 
how much money people would save and how much money the energy companies would lose
I'm not sure that's exactly how it works.
Solar Panels aren't exactly cheap when used in a small scale domestic situation.
(cost of a 10 panel system is around £5000)
The costs of having them supplied and installed takes many years to recoup.
(An average of 6 to 7 years for a medium price system without additional battery storage)
And of course they only work at their optimal output levels when the conditions are 'just so', which here in the UK is not that often.
Also, you need to factor in the cost of your electricity supply from your provider - when the costs go down, so do your savings, and the length of time to recoup your initial outlay will extend.
Additionally they need to be kept clean to keep them at peak efficiency - a difficult task when they are usually sited on a roof and can get covered in bird shit mess.
And even the best solar panels degrade over time - not massively, granted, about 0.5% annually, but it all counts.
Massively long URL link to good report on costs.
 
Just a reminder to everyone that we're all dead as of today. Again.
To be fair, Thunberg was quoting somebody else. To be even more fair, neither she nor the climate scientist she was quoting said that the world was going to end today, or anything like it.

The climate scientist she is referring to (James Anderson — professor of atmospheric chemistry at Harvard University) said back in 2018 that if we adopt extreme measures to in the subsequent five years (that is, between 2018 and 2023) then recovery is unlikely.
Recovery is all but impossible, he argued, without a World War II-style transformation of industry—an acceleration of the effort to halt carbon pollution and remove it from the atmosphere, and a new effort to reflect sunlight away from the earth's poles.
This has to be done, Anderson added, within the next five years.
Anderson's thesis was that the five years between 2018 and 2023 would be vital in attempting to reverse climate change, and if he is correct we have probably missed the boat. However the full effects of climate change will still take many more years to become apparent.

To be honest, I don't know whether he is right; we may have already missed the chance to do what he suggested, but it seems unlikely that all hope is lost yet. There may be even more extreme actions we can take in the future to reverse AGW; the longer we leave it, the more difficult it will get. But we won't be able to assess this probability accurately by misrepresenting Anderson's concerns.
 
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"The UN has been predicting planetary disaster for decades, usually scheduled to happen in about a decade’s time. In 1972 – half a century ago – Maurice Strong, the first UN Environment Programme director warned that the world “had just 10 years to avoid catastrophe”. In 1982 his successor, Mostafa Tolba, the then head of the UN Environment Programme told the world that it had just 18 years before “an environmental catastrophe as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust”. Yet 2000 came and went and we just partied like it was 1999…

In 1989 the official was warning that we have to fix climate change by 1999 or “climate change goes beyond human control”. By 1990 Tolba was warning the world must fix global warming before 1995, “otherwise, we’d lose the climate struggle”. Now 20 years past that date when it was going to be too late, we are still hearing the same claims again.

As sea levels would rise we were told that the Maldives islands would be under water over a decade ago, they’re actually building more luxury hotels. We were told the source of the great Ganges river in the Himalayas, the glaciers, would have melted long ago. The great Ganges river still flows and the glaciers are still there. The Australian Great Barrier reef would be dead, it is alive and thriving. We were told by the UN Food Programme in the sixties that Earth could not feed a growing population and that the future was bleak with much of humanity facing starvation."

https://order-order.com/2021/08/09/un-has-been-predicting-planetary-disaster-for-50-years/
 
"The UN has been predicting planetary disaster for decades, usually scheduled to happen in about a decade’s time. In 1972 – half a century ago – Maurice Strong, the first UN Environment Programme director warned that the world “had just 10 years to avoid catastrophe”. In 1982 his successor, Mostafa Tolba, the then head of the UN Environment Programme told the world that it had just 18 years before “an environmental catastrophe as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust”. Yet 2000 came and went and we just partied like it was 1999…

In 1989 the official was warning that we have to fix climate change by 1999 or “climate change goes beyond human control”. By 1990 Tolba was warning the world must fix global warming before 1995, “otherwise, we’d lose the climate struggle”. Now 20 years past that date when it was going to be too late, we are still hearing the same claims again.

As sea levels would rise we were told that the Maldives islands would be under water over a decade ago, they’re actually building more luxury hotels. We were told the source of the great Ganges river in the Himalayas, the glaciers, would have melted long ago. The great Ganges river still flows and the glaciers are still there. The Australian Great Barrier reef would be dead, it is alive and thriving. We were told by the UN Food Programme in the sixties that Earth could not feed a growing population and that the future was bleak with much of humanity facing starvation."

https://order-order.com/2021/08/09/un-has-been-predicting-planetary-disaster-for-50-years/
Order-order is yet another right-wing political blog, run by one Paul Staines. Personally I wouldn’t be going there for environmental information but each to their own.

I’ve added it to the list along with dailysceptic, wattsupwiththat, KatieHopkins.

P.S. Guido Fawkes was banned by mods some time ago, because POLITICS.
 
This is most concerning, as it is so dramatic and appears to have occurred so quickly.

The North Atlantic is experiencing a ‘totally unprecedented’ marine heat wave

230620140049-uk-marine-heatwave-graphic.jpg

"Temperatures in parts of the North Atlantic Ocean are soaring off the charts, with an “exceptional” marine heat wave happening off the coasts of the United Kingdom and Ireland, sparking concerns about impacts on marine life.

Parts of the North Sea are experiencing a category 4 marine heat wave – defined as “extreme” – according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In some areas, water temperatures are up to 5 degrees Celsius (9 Fahrenheit) hotter than usual."

Full story on CNN.com
Wasn't this sort of thing once postulated as a trigger for an ice age or mini ice age? Warm water melts the Greenland ice, which lowers salinity, which turns off the Gulf stream, which cools the North Atlantic so that more ice forms............?
 
I’ve added it to the list
Your list must be getting quite long by now, lol. :)

I think this offering from Guido is free enough from political comment to escape the attention of our gatekeepers though.

To be fair, it happened to be one of many such compilations of 'warnings from across the decades' that I could have used.
I won't use them as well though - I wouldn't want you to get writers cramp.
 
I think this offering from Guido is free enough from political comment to escape the attention of our gatekeepers though.
Yes, if you simply read the text as presented in that article, there is no politics in it at all.
 
Wasn't this sort of thing once postulated as a trigger for an ice age or mini ice age? Warm water melts the Greenland ice, which lowers salinity, which turns off the Gulf stream, which cools the North Atlantic so that more ice forms............?
Yes. One possible consequence of an increase in global temperatures is the loss or diversion of the Gulf Stream, which could make Britain and North West Europe cooler. Another effect might be the establishment of a monsoon in the Eastern Sahara, bringing water to the desert.

These would be two effects among many others, most but not all of which make our planet more inhospitable. They are also nor particularly easy to predict or model, so we can't rely on them.
 
Your list must be getting quite long by now, lol. :)
The list is certainly growing. Most of them linked by your good self. :) There’s a theme to them.
I think this offering from Guido is free enough from political comment to escape the attention of our gatekeepers though.

To be fair, it happened to be one of many such compilations of 'warnings from across the decades' that I could have used.
I won't use them as well though - I wouldn't want you to get writers cramp.
Yes, if you simply read the text as presented in that article, there is no politics in it at all.
Neither of these negate my point that it’s another right-wing political blog with opinions on which it has no real expertise. Or that it was banned fairly recently. I wouldn’t go there for current information about Himalayan glaciers, Great Barrier Reef or suchlike.

Barrier Reef for example - some parts are indeed healthy, other parts decidedly not, as shown in a recent documentary I watched. In some areas the coral is dead/bleached over a large area. Less coral means less fish. They weren’t totally sure about the reason but an increase in sea temperature was suspected, coral being sensitive to temperature.

If you look up Himalayan glaciers you’ll find they are indeed melting, and at a seemingly increasing rate. OK they haven’t gone - there’s a lot of them.

The ‘everything’s fine, nothing to get concerned about’ motif of these sites is simply a stance/opinion. The reality is [imo] much more nuanced.

But as I said, each to their own.
 
This is most concerning, as it is so dramatic and appears to have occurred so quickly.

The North Atlantic is experiencing a ‘totally unprecedented’ marine heat wave

230620140049-uk-marine-heatwave-graphic.jpg

"Temperatures in parts of the North Atlantic Ocean are soaring off the charts, with an “exceptional” marine heat wave happening off the coasts of the United Kingdom and Ireland, sparking concerns about impacts on marine life.

Parts of the North Sea are experiencing a category 4 marine heat wave – defined as “extreme” – according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In some areas, water temperatures are up to 5 degrees Celsius (9 Fahrenheit) hotter than usual."

Full story on CNN.com
Well, that's a bloody worry. We have the La Niña/ El Niño oscillation down here and it alters our climate cycles something chronic. Here's a graphic to simplify it, bearing in mind that what this graphic indicates is what we call the El Niño.

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When the surface temperature swings the other way, South America goes through a Dry period, and Eastern Australia gets a Wet period.

Looking at your graphic Ascalon, It looks like Flooding in Western Europe, North Western Africa, and a possible drought for Eastern US.


I'm interested to understand why this heatpool is just sitting there...
 
Weatherman meteorologist Chris Gloninger quit his job at KCCI channel news 8 in Des Moines, Iowa when after talking about climate change on TV.

Chris started getting death threats saying climate change is not real.

Police did arrest one person, but Chris said I don’t need the abuse.
 
I think this offering from Guido is free enough from political comment to escape the attention of our gatekeepers though.

We missed this post from Saturday.

The content from Guido is not in itself objectionable (I make no judgment on its accuracy), but if you keep serving up information filtered through heavily partisan voices, other posters will spend time analysing the singer and not the song.

This is a waste of time.

It is also the way thread derailments occur.

We also do not want a public commentary or who is on which side of the line or how well the rules are being observed. If any member thinks something is amiss, he or she should report the post with a brief explanation. Please do not take the conversation off-course by arguing the toss on thread. In this case @hunck

More importantly @Trevp666, you will stop these gallery-winking asides about moderators as 'gatekeepers' and the like.

The mods have discussed the matter today and we resent the implication that one motivation for our work here is to stifle speech, especially when the exact opposite is true: we have rules to ensure you (plural) have a diverse membership with whom to speak as opposed to the much-cited online echo chamber.

Please do not respond to this here, because that is another way thread derailments occur.

@stu neville has said he'd like to deal with the matter personally, so please direct your private messages to him.
 
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Please do not respond to this here, because that is another way thread derailments occur.

@stu neville has said he'd like to deal with the matter personally, so please direct your private messages to him.
And PM now received, I shall consider my reply.
 
Supposedly weak steering currents caused by global warming is allowing a heat dome to build over our area.

Temperatures will be 100 F or about 38 F.

Not looking forward to this !
 
Supposedly weak steering currents caused by global warming is allowing a heat dome to build over our area.

Temperatures will be 100 F or about 38 F.

Not looking forward to this !
Where are you C.B.?
 
Middle Tennessee as the huge heat dome from Texas spreads our way across the eastern U.S.

Plus all the smoke from the Canadian forest fires that keep burning and will probably burn all summer.

Why can’t Canada control these fires ?
 
This is most concerning, as it is so dramatic and appears to have occurred so quickly.

The North Atlantic is experiencing a ‘totally unprecedented’ marine heat wave

230620140049-uk-marine-heatwave-graphic.jpg

"Temperatures in parts of the North Atlantic Ocean are soaring off the charts, with an “exceptional” marine heat wave happening off the coasts of the United Kingdom and Ireland, sparking concerns about impacts on marine life.

Parts of the North Sea are experiencing a category 4 marine heat wave – defined as “extreme” – according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In some areas, water temperatures are up to 5 degrees Celsius (9 Fahrenheit) hotter than usual."

Full story on CNN.com
Recently discovered hydrothermal vents in relatively shallow water around the Azores?
 
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