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Global Warming & Climate Change: The Phenomenon

The excellent Ian Plimer says it's not CO2, it's water vapour:

 
Mythopoeika said:
The excellent Ian Plimer says it's not CO2, it's water vapour:

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here are some thoughts on Ian Pilmer from leading climate scientists, for example:

"Peter Landschützer, Group Leader, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology:
The entire article is just a list of inaccurate and false claims made by the author, contradicting the best scientific evidence (e.g. from measurement records) we have today."

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluat...ents-long-list-of-false-claims-about-climate/
 
Paul_Exeter said:
here are some thoughts on Ian Pilmer from leading climate scientists, for example:

"Peter Landschützer, Group Leader, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology:
The entire article is just a list of inaccurate and false claims made by the author, contradicting the best scientific evidence (e.g. from measurement records) we have today."

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluat...ents-long-list-of-false-claims-about-climate/
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There will always be people who line themselves up against another scientist, according to their own internal biases.
 
But it's your own judgement as to what 'sense' is.
Anyone can say "that seems plausible to me" while others might contradict them.
Ultimately, it's listening to those who conform to your own opinion - not 'have the right of it'.
 
Last Friday the earth passed the “ no return “ being 2 degrees hotter in climate data.
 
kamalktk said:
Once, then not again for 61 years, then not again for 13 years, then not again for 6, then not again for 5, then 2....

There seems to be a trend.
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Yes...we have hellish bush fire seasons down here and the big ones, ones that burn millions of acres used to be 20-30 years apart until the seventies where it started to get closer. Now it is almost every year...totals like 2002 (94 million acres), 2003 (3 million) 2006 (2.5 million acres), 2009 (1 million), 2011 (2 million), 2019 (46 million acres)...

Then we get the floods - big floods - floods that appear out of the blue like this one at Eugowra, which is about 100 K's from my home.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/how-an-extreme-flash-flood-destroyed-eugowra/101711140


I don't know what's causing this, whether it is just normal cycles combined with the irresponsibility of greenies that lock up National Parks, and remove cattle or brumbies that used to keep the fuel loads down, or, it is a combination of G.H.G's and ever increasing oceanic temperatures, or maybe it is the sum total of it all...all I know is that situations are intensifying, and it doesn't bode well if we don't attempt to do something about it. Which leads on to the question of, what CAN we do about it.

Maybe all we can do is ride it out the best we can.
 
Someone reminded me recently, having browsed pictures of childhood Halloween's that it was not uncommon in the 70s, for the leaves to be entirely gone from the trees by the 31st of October.

I was out for a walk this morning, and there are still many deciduous tress with half their leaves.

The seasons are moving about, weeks at a time.
 
The US Department of Agriculture hardiness zone map released for 2023 shows many places changed categories. My zone changed one step from 6b to 7a which translates to average annual extreme minimum winter temperature range that is 5 degrees (fahrenheit) warmer.

https://modernfarmer.com/2023/11/usda-updated-plant-hardiness-map/
 
NOAA claims globally there is 2.5% less snow which means areas needing the melting run off will not have enough moisture.
 
Mythopoeika said:
As a futuristic green initiative, Saudi Arabia is going to build a huge megacity, called 'The Line'.
It looks like something Syd Mead imagined.

https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline

It's so huge... can anyone envisage the problems? It might be big enough to cause certain weather events or produce its own climate issues.
And not everybody will be wealthy enough to live in this shiny city.
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Construction of the 100-mile, 9 million population linear city is now seriously underway, but its still going to take a few years before it looks like the publicity shots I reckon:

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Perhaps The Line merits a thread to itself?

https://english.alarabiya.net/infoc...-latest-on-THE-LINE-first-neighborhood-update
 
I'm sorry but that's completely ridiculous.
Considering the expense of making it - with no natural features to assist - only the mega-rich could live in it. And there's not that many in that class to fill even a portion of it. Sure, you could pad a bit with service workers, maintenance teams etc. but they'd have to pay to work there, rather than be paid (including 'room and board').
Think of what a magnificent target that'd be for a terrorist organisation.
Think of the materials it'd require.

It's the pipe dream of architects and billionaires looking for things to spend a day's wage on. Like gem-encrusted mobile 'phone cases and gold foil-wrapped filet steak from the rarest cattle.
 
Stormkhan said:
I'm sorry but that's completely ridiculous.
Considering the expense of making it - with no natural features to assist - only the mega-rich could live in it. And there's not that many in that class to fill even a portion of it. Sure, you could pad a bit with service workers, maintenance teams etc. but they'd have to pay to work there, rather than be paid (including 'room and board').
Think of what a magnificent target that'd be for a terrorist organisation.
Think of the materials it'd require.

It's the pipe dream of architects and billionaires looking for things to spend a day's wage on. Like gem-encrusted mobile 'phone cases and gold foil-wrapped filet steak from the rarest cattle.
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Probably the super rich look on it as a reflection of their wealth status! :smoke:
 
A year of extremes.

The warmest year on record has been recorded by the Republic of Ireland's weather service Met Éireann.

The Irish Climate Report 2023 created by the service, external shows the average annual temperature rose above 11C (51.8F) for the first time, beating the previous warmest year of 2022.

It was also a year of extremes, with the warmest June and the wettest March and July also being recorded.

The figures followed an EU climate change report in November which said it was "virtually certain" that 2023 would be the warmest year on record, globally.

The Met Office has not yet released figures for 2023 for Northern Ireland. But Northern Ireland recorded its warmest ever June in 2023 in a series going back to 1884. It recorded a mean temperature of 16C, three degrees above normal for the time of year, external. It was also the wettest July on record for Northern Ireland in a series going back to 1836. In July, 185.4mm of rain fell, beating the previous record of 185.2mm of rain in July 1936.

It has also been a stormy year with 11 named storms in 2023 including three in December- Elin, Fergus, and Gerrit. The arrival of Storm Gerrit on Wednesday marked the earliest in the season that a storm named with the letter G arrived.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dyprzd9yeo
 
ramonmercado said:
A year of extremes.

The warmest year on record has been recorded by the Republic of Ireland's weather service Met Éireann.

The Irish Climate Report 2023 created by the service, external shows the average annual temperature rose above 11C (51.8F) for the first time, beating the previous warmest year of 2022.

It was also a year of extremes, with the warmest June and the wettest March and July also being recorded.

The figures followed an EU climate change report in November which said it was "virtually certain" that 2023 would be the warmest year on record, globally.

The Met Office has not yet released figures for 2023 for Northern Ireland. But Northern Ireland recorded its warmest ever June in 2023 in a series going back to 1884. It recorded a mean temperature of 16C, three degrees above normal for the time of year, external. It was also the wettest July on record for Northern Ireland in a series going back to 1836. In July, 185.4mm of rain fell, beating the previous record of 185.2mm of rain in July 1936.

It has also been a stormy year with 11 named storms in 2023 including three in December- Elin, Fergus, and Gerrit. The arrival of Storm Gerrit on Wednesday marked the earliest in the season that a storm named with the letter G arrived.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dyprzd9yeo
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"Gee - Whiz!"
 
ramonmercado said:
A year of extremes.

The warmest year on record has been recorded by the Republic of Ireland's weather service Met Éireann.

The Irish Climate Report 2023 created by the service, external shows the average annual temperature rose above 11C (51.8F) for the first time, beating the previous warmest year of 2022.

It was also a year of extremes, with the warmest June and the wettest March and July also being recorded.

The figures followed an EU climate change report in November which said it was "virtually certain" that 2023 would be the warmest year on record, globally.

The Met Office has not yet released figures for 2023 for Northern Ireland. But Northern Ireland recorded its warmest ever June in 2023 in a series going back to 1884. It recorded a mean temperature of 16C, three degrees above normal for the time of year, external. It was also the wettest July on record for Northern Ireland in a series going back to 1836. In July, 185.4mm of rain fell, beating the previous record of 185.2mm of rain in July 1936.

It has also been a stormy year with 11 named storms in 2023 including three in December- Elin, Fergus, and Gerrit. The arrival of Storm Gerrit on Wednesday marked the earliest in the season that a storm named with the letter G arrived.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dyprzd9yeo
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And mow the Weather news from the wee six counties.

Northern Ireland has experienced its warmest year on record, with an average temperature of 10.17C in 2023 according to the Met Office.

The previous record was 9.83C set in 2022. This is a sign of the changing climate of the region, with eight out of the top 10 warmest years all being recorded this century.

Last year also saw NI's warmest June on record, with an average daily temperature of 16C.

Records go back to 1884.

In terms of rainfall, 2023 was the third wettest on record with 1,399mm of rain. The wettest year was back in 1872, when there was 1,416mm of rain in the parts of Ireland which later became Northern Ireland.

In December, it was reported that the warmest year on record had been recorded by the Republic of Ireland's weather service Met Éireann. The Irish Climate Report 2023 created by the service showed the average annual temperature rose above 11C (51.8F) for the first time, beating the previous warmest year of 2022.

It was also a year of extremes, with the warmest June and the wettest March and July also being recorded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67865020
 
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I tried searching threads for previous news about these exploding craters in Siberia. They might go with the permafrost discussion or with the sinkhole discussion. But the permafrost-related cratering in this area perhaps deserves its own thread. Also, Batagaika crater (from Spooky Geology: https://sharonahill.com/the-hellmouth-batagaika-crater/)

Mysterious Giant Exploding Craters in Siberia May Finally Be Explained​

https://www.sciencealert.com/mysterious-giant-exploding-craters-in-siberia-may-finally-be-explained

Scientists are putting forward a new explanation for the giant exploding craters that seem to be randomly appearing in the Siberian permafrost.

These craters, first spotted in 2012, have been popping up in the deserted Siberian permafrost, puzzling scientists.

They can be substantial, reaching more than 160 feet in depth and 65 feet in width, and blasting chunks of debris hundreds of feet away.

Some reports have suggested the blasts can be heard 60 miles away.

Now scientists are proposing that hot natural gas seeping from underground reserves might be behind the explosive burst.
 

Extreme wave in Marshall Islands highlights dangers of climate change, experts say​

The series of waves wreaked havoc on the island of Roi-Namur. Sea level may have played a contributing factor into the severity of the waves and could cause them to occur more often in the future.

The Marshall Islands are considered at the very front lines of climate change, with research showing that rising sea levels contribute to powerful, destructive waves and more flooding in coastal areas as a result.

Several other factors, such as coastal topography, weather conditions and tide cycles, could have also played a role in the strength of the waves. Other causes could include a rapid change in the bathymetry, or the depth of the water.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...hts-dangers-climate-change/story?id=106598347
 
Sharon Hill said:
Unclear what that has to do with the wave story.
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Nothing - 'twas a whoopsie moment,' my error - I was searching for any earthquake/seaquake reports and clicked on the wrong thing!:conf2: (Was previously looking at, 'Rogue Waves' - 'Hunck' #92)
 
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If the ice caps melt then the sea levels will rise and a lot of land will be underwater. But won't a lot of land be freed from the ice? Won't that land also "spring" up as the weight of ice lifts. Therefore will we have as much land as we had before albeit perhaps not fertile and suffering Winter/Summer day length issues? All I see are maps showing the flooding but not Antarctica, Greenland, Siberia, Canada without the ice. I suppose the equatorial regions above water may be too hot but what will the ratio of lost to new land be?
 
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