Home-Security Video Devices: Privacy & Legal Issues

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JACKSON, Miss. — Strapped for cash and facing a sharp rise in homicides, city leaders here are expanding police surveillance powers to allow residents and business owners to send live feeds from many types of security cameras — including popular doorbell cameras — directly to the city’s real-time command center.

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The new use of this livestreaming technology by police, which is undergoing a final legal review in Jackson, is drawing interest from other small cities that don’t have the resources to build their own surveillance systems. But some have opted out, citing concerns about privacy violations. Civil liberties advocates say those concerns are valid, warning that the technology could lead to increased police scrutiny of people’s everyday activities and more arrests for low-level offenses.

The move made Jackson, which has struggled to keep up with advances in high-tech crime-fighting, one of two dozen places in the country where police agencies inked deals this year with Fusus, a small Georgia company that aims to make it easier for American law enforcement agencies to build networks of public and private security cameras.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ss-live-home-security-video-alarming-n1249566

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Floyd1 said:
Not sure if this fits here, but I didn't know where to post.

A judge has ruled that security cameras and a Ring doorbell installed in a house in Oxfordshire "unjustifiably invaded" the privacy of a neighbour, in a case that could have implications for home surveillance devices.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58911296
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Seems to more to this case.
The fact he told people there was a fake camera to deter thieves whilst it was real is sketchy.
 
Rappinghood said:
Seems to more to this case.
The fact he told people there was a fake camera to deter thieves whilst it was real is sketchy.
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Floyd1 said:
Really? Not read that.
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Yes, reading between the lines, this seems to be part of a campaign of harassment between the 2 parties involved.

"Hannah Hart, privacy expert at security consultancy ProPrivacy, told TechRadar: "The defendant had excessively placed cameras across his property, including the garden, a shed and even on his neighbor's wall. This is an extensive amount of surveillance that far outstrips what is necessary to monitor a property, and brings into question the defendant's intent."

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/court-rules-that-ring-video-doorbell-invaded-neighbors-privacy
 
I was going to get one of these doorbell cameras, but I'll have to think about installing a camera more discreetly.
It seems we can't protect our own properties now.
 
Mythopoeika said:
I was going to get one of these doorbell cameras, but I'll have to think about installing a camera more discreetly.
It seems we can't protect our own properties now.
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According to some of the reports, there are features which, can limit your cameras sensor range so it only works on your property, amongst other things to make sure you are not invading your neighbours privacy
 
Mythopoeika said:
I was going to get one of these doorbell cameras, but I'll have to think about installing a camera more discreetly.
It seems we can't protect our own properties now.
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Yes, me too. I don't see a problem with it focussing on the neighbours drive or vice versa (depends whether you get on with your neighbour though I suppose) as that could come in handy if they had any problems. In fact the police will often ask the neighbours if they've got cctv if you've had an incident at your house. And what if your door is just off the pavement by a few feet- would that be illegal I wonder?
 
Floyd1 said:
Yes, me too. I don't see a problem with it focussing on the neighbours drive or vice versa (depends whether you get on with your neighbour though I suppose) as that could come in handy if they had any problems. In fact the police will often ask the neighbours if they've got cctv if you've had an incident at your house. And what if your door is just off the pavement by a few feet- would that be illegal I wonder?
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My front door is on the street and I have one of those doorbells. I had to get one as I had been having a lot of trouble with staff from a nearby care home dropping medical waste in my bins - or on the pavement outside my house if they couldn't be arsed lifting the bin lid. Really nasty stuff too - apart from facemasks and gloves there were soiled dressings, incontinence pads etc. The doorbell cam finally put a stop to that.
I have signs up next to it and nobody has complained - got a few dirty looks from care home staff who got a bollocking because they were caught :)
 
Bigphoot2 said:
My front door is on the street and I have one of those doorbells. I had to get one as I had been having a lot of trouble with staff from a nearby care home dropping medical waste in my bins - or on the pavement outside my house if they couldn't be arsed lifting the bin lid. Really nasty stuff too - apart from facemasks and gloves there were soiled dressings, incontinence pads etc. The doorbell cam finally put a stop to that.
I have signs up next to it and nobody has complained - got a few dirty looks from care home staff who got a bollocking because they were caught :)
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What's wrong with these people?
 
Bigphoot2 said:
My front door is on the street and I have one of those doorbells. I had to get one as I had been having a lot of trouble with staff from a nearby care home dropping medical waste in my bins - or on the pavement outside my house if they couldn't be arsed lifting the bin lid. Really nasty stuff too - apart from facemasks and gloves there were soiled dressings, incontinence pads etc. The doorbell cam finally put a stop to that.
I have signs up next to it and nobody has complained - got a few dirty looks from care home staff who got a bollocking because they were caught :)
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As you've already realized medical waste costs more to get rid of as it's incinerated.

I'd be mentioning this to your local council as if they are not dumping it with you they'll be dumping it elsewhere.

God knows what a shitshow the nursing home is if they are that desperate.
 
Naughty_Felid said:
As you've already realized medical waste costs more to get rid of as it's incinerated.

I'd be mentioning this to your local council as if they are not dumping it with you they'll be dumping it elsewhere.

God knows what a shitshow the nursing home is if they are that desperate.
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It was reported and the council, at first the staff were all given instructions not to use my bins as there were proper facilities in the care the should be using. Most followed the instructions but a few continued and so notices were put on my bins but it still continued so I got the camera and filmed the offenders and sent the pics to the council who came down on them like a ton of bricks.
The manager of the care home met me and told me that the ones who had been caught on camera had been given written warnings and any staff who worked for agencies were also warned and the agencies told that if it happened again the council would take action against them.
As an added extra I bought a lock for the bin so in the early days of that it was fun to watch some idiots trying to open it before realising that the metal bar and padlock was holding it shut.
 
According to recent reports on the Nextdoor site, canny thieves these days are using WiFi jammers to disable video doorbells and home CCTV cameras during their raiding trips.
Reminds me of the saying "when technology builds a better mousetrap, nature builds a better mouse".
 
Our neighbour (we get on with her really well) casually asked husband what our Ring doorbell was capturing as she was thinking of getting one. He said it gets all of our drive, most of our front garden, and at one point, a bit of her drive. She said she might get one as well.

Following week, I saw a bloke sneaking out of her house at 6AM or so...

She was obviously checking if our camera could pick up the booty calls.
 
Here, it is illegal to have a camera placed in such a way as it invades your neighbour's privacy. Many doorbell cameras can be adjusted so that only your property can be seen.

My neighbour has one because he has a lot of deliveries to his house and wants to deter theft. It only shows the front of his home and yard.

If you watch all of the YT videos about weird doorbell cam footage, it is fairly clear that they do not encroach onto someone else's property.
 
Bigphoot2 said:
It was reported and the council, at first the staff were all given instructions not to use my bins as there were proper facilities in the care the should be using. Most followed the instructions but a few continued and so notices were put on my bins but it still continued so I got the camera and filmed the offenders and sent the pics to the council who came down on them like a ton of bricks.
The manager of the care home met me and told me that the ones who had been caught on camera had been given written warnings and any staff who worked for agencies were also warned and the agencies told that if it happened again the council would take action against them.
As an added extra I bought a lock for the bin so in the early days of that it was fun to watch some idiots trying to open it before realising that the metal bar and padlock was holding it shut.
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I'm confused about this. Having worked in Care for the best part of 22 years, both as regular staff and Agency, I can't think of any circumstance that would lead to me *leaving the property while carrying human waste, be it soiled pads, blood-soaked clothing/ bedding or... well, anything*. What the hell was going on in that Home, which leads to the staff walking out carrying such waste, rather than *immediately dumping it in the yellow bin as fast as is humanly possible*?

I have never been in a situation where any staff member has felt the need to leave the building carrying such items, no matter how desperately they need a fag.

And yes, if they are driven to such lengths by a lack of bins in the property, they will be dumping them elsewhere. Suggest contacting CQC if happens again. Check behind your hedges.
 
Steev(still) said:
I'm confused about this. Having worked in Care for the best part of 22 years, both as regular staff and Agency, I can't think of any circumstance that would lead to me *leaving the property while carrying human waste, be it soiled pads, blood-soaked clothing/ bedding or... well, anything*. What the hell was going on in that Home, which leads to the staff walking out carrying such waste, rather than *immediately dumping it in the yellow bin as fast as is humanly possible*?

I have never been in a situation where any staff member has felt the need to leave the building carrying such items, no matter how desperately they need a fag.

And yes, if they are driven to such lengths by a lack of bins in the property, they will be dumping them elsewhere. Suggest contacting CQC if happens again. Check behind your hedges.
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It's stopped now, never happened before or after Covid so I wonder if it was extra staff taken on by agencies who either weren't trained or couldn't care less.
 
Wonder if they were out reach workers and they had brought the stuff from a client and dumping the stuff in your bin as it was closer than the care home, no excuse though.
 
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