Alie:I've been worried about overpopulation.
on't worry about it.
Alie:Oh, okay. Really? 'Cause I've been worried about it since,like, high school.
Rose:Yeah. So this was a huge topic in the 1980s which is maybe when you and I were both in high school.
Rose:I guess the ‘90s. Largely, a lot of it came out of, honestly, just racism of like, [with light sarcasm]“Oh, all of these countries like India,and China,and places in Africa suddenly have all these people, and they're gonna, like,want rights, and they're not gonna want us to just tell them what to do. And oh, suddenly we have an overpopulation issue.” And I think that a lot of that...There's a lot of really good work done by researchers and scholars that basically say that is not the problem. The problem is racism, you know, or the problem is distribution of resources among the people on Earth. There area lot of people on Earth, but if you want to talk about what's the problem with climate change? Overpopulation is pretty low on the actual list. If we all stop having children right now, the climate will still warm. You know, that's not necessarily what'shappening. So yeah, I think that there's been a lot of really interesting stuff. Mother Joneshad a big series about this,I think,a couple of years ago, about trying to push back on this narrative of overpopulation and reveal that a lot of people who first posited this as ‘the problem’were basically just racists.