gattino
Justified & Ancient
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I'm starting from the assumption that most people on here accept that poltergeist activity - given its near utter consistency across time and space - is a real (ie not mainly down to hoax or delusion) phenomenon.
And while the telekinesis theory is probably the more popular one it too has a great number of infuriating exceptions - the activity taking place when the alleged catalyst is away, or after the family have moved on, and the "polt" often seeming to show intelligence, selection and personality (principally mischief, sometimes malice) as well as answering questions unknown or unknowable to the alleged source. All of which leaves the other main explanation...that they are indeed "spirits". "Discarnate entities" as its sometimes phrased.
When you hear the term discarnate entity most of us, I imagine, at least assume we're talking about the surviving personalities of formally living human beings. Ghosts. And that is what the entity often claims to be.
But I don't think I've ever read much about the consequences or implications of that explanation.
What bothers and intrigues me is that very same consistency which seems to prove they are real also seems to undermine any sense of individuality at all. Whether its ancient Rome or modern China the stories are more or less always the same.. the raps, the moving of objects the throwing of stones from nowehre that seldom actually hit anyone, the only performing when you don't look, the stacking or upturning of objects...the same "tricks" and the same personality over and over.
If these were individual ghosts of dead people, why would they all act in the same way? And who is teaching them the correct order of behaviour and how to do it? Do they live in an invisible world in which they can see and interact with each other?
Is it possible "they" are all the one...or one of only a small few..."entity" turning up in different places and times?
Or could "discarnate entity" imply something very different from a human ghost? If so what?
Delight me with your speculations.
And while the telekinesis theory is probably the more popular one it too has a great number of infuriating exceptions - the activity taking place when the alleged catalyst is away, or after the family have moved on, and the "polt" often seeming to show intelligence, selection and personality (principally mischief, sometimes malice) as well as answering questions unknown or unknowable to the alleged source. All of which leaves the other main explanation...that they are indeed "spirits". "Discarnate entities" as its sometimes phrased.
When you hear the term discarnate entity most of us, I imagine, at least assume we're talking about the surviving personalities of formally living human beings. Ghosts. And that is what the entity often claims to be.
But I don't think I've ever read much about the consequences or implications of that explanation.
What bothers and intrigues me is that very same consistency which seems to prove they are real also seems to undermine any sense of individuality at all. Whether its ancient Rome or modern China the stories are more or less always the same.. the raps, the moving of objects the throwing of stones from nowehre that seldom actually hit anyone, the only performing when you don't look, the stacking or upturning of objects...the same "tricks" and the same personality over and over.
If these were individual ghosts of dead people, why would they all act in the same way? And who is teaching them the correct order of behaviour and how to do it? Do they live in an invisible world in which they can see and interact with each other?
Is it possible "they" are all the one...or one of only a small few..."entity" turning up in different places and times?
Or could "discarnate entity" imply something very different from a human ghost? If so what?
Delight me with your speculations.