Kinross incident

[crunchy5]

An update on an old story, that may get even bigger if he mystery other object is a UFO.

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/fu ... mber=19360

At 6:22 p.m. on November 23 1953, an F-89 Scorpion jet was scrambled from Kinross Air Force Base near the Michigan Soo to intercept an unidentified object detected in restricted airspace over the Soo Locks.

The U.S. fighter was seen on radar over Lake Superior, merging with the craft it was pursuing.

Then, it disappeared from radar.

Never to be seen again.

Ever since, the UFO-theorist circles have been speculating what might have happened.

In October 1968, the Sault Star reported that aircraft parts believed to have come from a "high-performance military jet aircraft" had been discovered by prospectors on Lake Superior's Canadian side.

Today, the UFO circles have started buzzing again, with speculation that this side-scan sonar image (reproduced by SooToday.com with permission from the Great Lakes Dive Co.) might be the missing F-89 Scorpion.

The dive company's website indicates it's currently involved in a forensic investigation of the Canadian wreck site.

A company map shows the search area as being in Ontario waters off the tip of Michigan's Keweenaw Peninsula.

The dive company also intriguingly indicates that its sonar detected another "interesting" object near the sunken aircraft, that might be part of whatever it was that the jet was pursuing.

To visit the website of the Great Lakes Dive Co., please click here.

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[naitaka]

That's definitely an F89.

I don't necessarily agree with their conclusion that the left wing is broken off. The plane appears to be tilted slightly to the left and the wing may be covered by silt.

The intact state of the plane (whether or not it is missing a wing) is odd. A plane that fell out of control from 7000 feet (the altitude that the plane's radar blip merged with another blip, then disappeared) should be much more broken up.

At 1847 EST, at the request of “Pillow”, the aircraft descended to 7,000 feet to begin the interception. Location of the aircraft was then approximately 150 miles northeast from Kinross AFB and over northern Lake Superior. At 1851 EST, the interceptor pilot was requested to turn to a heading of 20 degrees to the cut-off vector. After the turn was completed, the pilot was advised the unidentified aircraft was at 11 o’clock, 10 miles distant. Radar returns from both aircraft were then seen to merge on “Pillow’s” radar scope. The radar return from the other aircraft indicated it was continuing on its original flight path, while the return from the F-89 disappeared from the GCI station’s radar scope.

http://www.cufon.org/kinross/Kinross_acc_rept.htm

It looks more like the aircraft flew into the lake at a shallow angle and low speed. The cockpit canopy appears to be in place, so the pilots apparently made no attempt to eject.

The RCAF has always denied that any of its aircraft were involved in the incident, as claimed by the USAF.

The Great Lakes Dive Company's site:

http://www.greatlakesdive.com/front1.html

(It's is a Flash-based site and I can't link directly to the page. Click on 'New Projects', then 'Search for F-89 Scorpion'.)

 

[Analis]

It kinds of reminds me of the 5 Avengers wrecks located near Florida a few years ago. They were supposed to be the 5 famous Avengers which had vanished immediately after the end of the Second World War, playing a significant role in the rise of the Bermuda Triangle legend. But it revealed this was not the case. To this date, it seems that some of those planes have not been successfully identified. Strangely, as the wereabouts of all military flights are supposed to be stored, it is not always easy to spot missing planes. So, we must be careful with this new data. What are the comments of the USAF? What did it say, for example, about the number of F-89 reported missing in the area?

 

[crunchy5]

More from the American Chronical

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articl ... leID=12954

[/quote]Jimenez describes the unknown as, "The object that the F-89 collided with is metallic and plowed into the lake bed in a similar manner as the F-89 south of the aircraft wreckage. The object bears a strike mark that matches a hole where the port side wing of the F-89 used to be (this supports the collision theory). We are a little baffled by the actual physics of the crash though...if you can imagine a plane colliding with another object and a wing shearing away, it seems as though the plane would spin out of control and disintegrate on the surface of the lake. Also, the plane is in deep water, yet appears to be plowed into the lake bed, how could the plane (or object for that matter) maintain enough power to accomplish this. I'm telling you this because we don't have all of the answers to this mystery yet. Our best guess is that the collision took place at or near sea level at relatively low speed. This scenario would preserve most of the aircraft structure, but still doesn't account for the plowing. We do have side scans of the object, and are currently discussing the possibility of releasing them."

There has been a lot of discussion within the team about the mystery object... but without ROV footage, it is very hard to determine what exactly it is. It is not a part of the F-89, and does not appear to be a part off of another aircraft...it is simply a mysterious object.

But like all great quests this one has hit a snag!

"2006 began as an ambitious project season for us, we were looking forward to further work at the F-89 site", said Jimenez . He added, "Then we received some bad news. The Canadian government refused to allow us to use our ROV at the wreck site without first providing them the GPS coordinates of the site and allows either a Coast Guard escort or government official to accompany the expedition. We were stuck, we don't want to give up the site (especially because of the object, and it's potentially huge significance) but we need stay on the good side of the Canadians due to our Gunilda project which involves a lot of other contributors."

The Gunilda is rumored to be a treasure ship that sank in 1911 and lies 265 feet below Lake Superior. The Great Lakes Dive company plans to provide a high definition view of the famous wreck. Their plan involves lowering twin light towers, provided by Cinemarine, to illuminate the entire shipwreck. ROVs, equipped with cameras will explore the interior of the historical ship.

"So as it stands now, we have just issued a letter to the Canadian government essentially abandoning work on the F-89 site this season", sums up Jimenez.

The company plans to produce a feature length documentary of the search and discovery of the F-89 and its mysterious companion.

 

[crunchy5]

Hmmm

http://www.ufobc.ca/kinross/greatLakesD ... eHoax.html

Since this story first appeared, various people have been trying to corroborate information supplied by Adam Jimenez concerning the alleged discovery of a missing F-89 on the bottom of Lake Superior.

While it may be too early to reach any definitive conclusions, there certainly seems to be many more questions than answers concerning Great Lakes Dive Company and the alleged F-89 discovery.

About the middle of October, the Great Lakes Dive Company website suddenly went blank. It was at this time that Adam Jimenez stopped returning phone calls and emails.

Without communication from Adam Jimenez, it is impossible to know exactly why the website was blanked out and why Adam has chosen to stop answering questions.

It is possible that he simply decided he wanted to keep a lower profile and was tired of the publicity.

It is also possible that he was avoiding the exposure of those who were asking questions of the authenticity of his claims.

Some see the disappearance of the website as evidence of a dark conspiracy of government to hide the truth that was daring to be revealed. This seems like one of the lesser possibilities based on all the questions surrounding the claims.

Who is Great Lakes Dive Company?

According to Adam, Great Lakes Dive Company first discovered the F-89 in the summer of 2005. They sat on the discovery for almost a year before revealing it to anyone. To do this search, they need some very expensive equipment, and a fairly large boat. Adam indicated that GLDC was involved in the search of other missing shipwrecks, however, it seems that no one in the Great Lakes shipwreck searching community has ever heard of Adam Jimenez or his project.

Their name appears in no other web related citations concerning shipwrecks, side scan sonar or Great Lakes diving.

 

[Skeptical01]

Here's the latest on the GLDC hoax:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2006/dec/m29-013.shtml

I don't know about anyone else, but I have completely lost my sense of humor on these UFO-related hoaxes. This one, in particular, really galls me because the airmen lost on the F-89 undoubtedly have surviving family members. If it were my father or uncle or brother lost on the flight, I think I'd like to have a few minutes alone with Mr. Adam Jimenez.

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