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Manga Ruled 'Obscene'

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Last Updated: Tuesday, 13 January, 2004, 10:13 GMT

Japanese manga ruled obscene

A Tokyo court has ruled a Japanese cartoon book obscene, in a landmark court case that sparked debate on freedom of expression and the position of the country's ubiquitous 'manga' cartoons.

Monotori Kishi, a 54-year-old publisher, was handed a one-year prison sentence, suspended for three years, for violating Japan's penal code on the sale and distribution of obscene literature.

Presiding Judge Yujiro Nakatani said Misshitsu, or Honey Room, was too graphic.

"Bodies were drawn in a lifelike manner with little attention to concealment (of genitalia), making for sexually explicit expression and deeming the book pornographic matter," Mr Nakatani said.

About 45% of all books and periodicals sold in Japan are manga. They often contain sexual material.

"Given what's available it seems an extraordinary decision," said the BBC's Tokyo correspondent, Jonathan Head.

"There is so much pornography available in Japan in every form - in films, computer games, cartoons and famously manga and anime - those books of cartoons you can see men reading openly on the train everyday," he told the East Asia Today programme.

'Censorship'

Mr Kishi immediately appealed to the Tokyo High Court.

"It is an infringement on freedom of expression and deals a great blow to the publishing industry," he told a news conference.

"The verdict will force publishing houses to curb their activities and lead to a decline in manga (comics)."

It was the first ever Japanese court trial in which a comic book was accused of obscenity.

The penal code article on which the prosecution was based, Article 175, does not clearly define what is deemed obscene, but the legal precedent was set by a ruling on a Japanese translation of DH Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover in 1957.

The Supreme Court at that time declared obscenity was anything "unnecessarily sexually stimulating, (which) damages the normal sexual sense of shame of ordinary people, or is against good sexual moral principles".

Kishi's defence lawyers had argued that some photographs, videos, or items on the internet, were far more explicit than Misshitsu.

They had also argued that Article 175 violated Article 21 of the Constitution, which guarantees freedom of speech and press.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3391951.stm

There are pretty strict guidelines about what can and can't be shown in manga/hentai - male genitals are not allowed (hence tentacle porn) and this seems to be the rule they have broken:

"Bodies were drawn in a lifelike manner with little attention to concealment (of genitalia), making for sexually explicit expression and deeming the book pornographic matter," Mr Nakatani said.

I also enjoy the fact that they can produce some staggeringly unacceptable (to western eyes) cartoons but "Lady Chatterley's Lover" caused moral panic ;)

Emps
 
Surely they didn't include Legend of the Overfiend in all this?
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but the Urotsukidoji Saga (as well as "La Blue Girl" and, winning the award for best title, "Obscene Beast Teacher") all use tentacles instead of genitals so its OK.

Emps
 
What everyman secretly wishes that he had. A good tentacle, one to be proud of and not afraid to get into the showers with.
 
River_Styx: I suspect if you knew a good plastic surgeon and you weren't happy with your tentacle you could have it lengthened so the other interdimensional demon rapists wouldn't make fun of you ;)

Emps
 
Hmmmmmmmmm I wasn't aware of the ins and outs of such matters - I assume (esp. as you said "A good tentacle") that one would have a favoured 'probing' tentacle - clearly if you are going to have a number operated on then the price goes through the roof :p

Emps
 
The guys name is spelt wrong in that news report above - its Motonori Kishi.

An article which covers the obsenity laws a bit more:

Court rules comic book obscene

The Asahi Shimbun


Manga publishers fear they will become targets of police crackdowns on pornography.

In a ruling that could deal a blow to publishers, the Tokyo District Court on Tuesday found a comic book obscene and gave a suspended prison sentence to its publisher.

Motonori Kishi, 54, president of Shobunkan Corp. in Tokyo, was sentenced to one year in prison, suspended for three years, for distributing 20,000 copies of the adult comic ``Misshitsu'' (Honey room) in 2002 that had graphic depictions of sex.

It was the first major ruling in two decades on obscenity in a published work. It is also the first examining whether a comic book is obscene.

Critics fear the ruling could prompt police to move against comic publishers in the same way they do against pornographic videos and glossy photo magazines.

Amid a flood of revealing pornography in publications, on Web sites and in photo books, the court case questioned whether conventional measures of obscenity apply in this age of changing social norms.

``The comic in question, `Misshitsu,' mainly panders to prurient interest,'' said Presiding Judge Yujiro Nakatani. ``The sound social norm that would condone this does not exist even today.''

Citing Article 175 of the Criminal Code, which bans sale and distribution of obscene literature, the ruling supported past rulings that said freedom of expression may be restricted to sustain sound public morals.

In 1951, the Supreme Court set three criteria defining obscene literature: unnecessarily stimulating sexual desire, damaging citizens' sense of modesty and running counter to good public morals.

In a famous 1957 ruling, the top court found the translator and the publisher of a Japanese version of D.H. Lawrence's ``Lady Chatterley's Lover'' guilty of violating the criteria, but noted social norms could change.

In a 1980 ruling, the Supreme Court said artistic and intellectual values must also be considered.

Tuesday's ruling said in effect that pictures speak louder than words in stimulating the senses. As more than 80 percent of ``Misshitsu'' is dedicated to sexual depictions, ``it is impossible to find anything more than prurient interest'' in the comic, it said.

The defense, which insisted the book was not obscene under current norms, called the ruling unfair. Kishi told a news conference he feared the ruling would intimidate graphic artists and send the comic industry into decline.

The editor and the cartoonist, arrested with Kishi, were fined earlier in summary judgments.

Yasuhiro Kikuchi, who leads an association of 93 small publishers, said the ruling is ``worlds apart from social common sense.'' He added that one police action could easily send a minor publisher into financial crisis.(IHT/Asahi: January 14,2004) (01/14)

http://www.asahi.com/english/nation/TKY200401140185.html

Emps
 
I thought the japanese were supposed to have a fairly good relationsship with regards to pornography. This article seems to say it is actually illegal there, that seems odd. I think they should just stick a (18) sticker on it and put it on the top shelf. But I have always found it worrying how a lot of those manga comics feature childish looking characters.
 
Xanatic: As wih most obscenity laws I think it is really open to interpretation which means that no one really knows where they stand. As far as I understand it while a lot of things are legal (including a lot of stuff that sexualises schoolgirls) the actual showing of male genitals is illegal which is why they are switched for tentacles (which seems to be deemed perfectly fine when as far as western opinion goes it is actually worse).

[edit: Techncially the depiction of any genitals and pubic hair at out.]

Emps
 
It just seems odd that a fairly advanced people like the japanese still have such an old-fashioned view at pornography.
 
There is a good piece on obscenity, pornography and censorship in Japan here (its PDF):

Obscenity, Pornography, and the Law in Japan: Reconsidering Oshima’s In the Realm of the Senses

which goes into a lot more detail on this issue e.g.:

Since the 1960s, American film analysts have been struck by the explicit violence (usually rape) in Japanese films that is often directed towards women and, most often, young girls. Strong themes and portrayals of sexual violence however do not trigger Japan’s strict censorship laws unless male or female genitalia or pubic hair are visible. The issue of whether the “pornography of violence,” or exceptionally graphic violence by itself, should be subject to censorship has been raised recently in Japan with regard to two recent films: Takashi Miike’s Audition (1999) and Kinji Fukasaku’s Battle Royale (2000), the latter heralded as a “neo-Darwinist exercise in terror.” The same issue has been raised in France with regard to Virgine Despentes and Coralie Trinh Thi’s sexually violent Baise Moi (2000). To date, however, there has been an almost total absence of film censorship cases in the Japanese courts over the past two decades. This fact indicates that issue of whether explicit violence, or sexual violence without companion images of sexual explicitness, would be considered obscene and subject to regulation has been argued primarily within national film classification boards

Also:

In order to understand why sex in manga is depicted as it is, one must examine the laws and cultural background. Article 175 of the Japanese Criminal Code provides the backbone of all anti-pornography legislation in Japan, and has a number of peculiarities. Pubic hair and adult genitalia cannot be depicted, and touching groins may not be shown. However, "extremely cartoony" depictions of genitals are allowed, leaving a very fuzzy loophole in the law. Another surprising aspect of Article 175 is that children's genitals may be shown, a clause that some feel has led directly to the interest in child pornography in Japan (although the law restricts such to "artistic" nude portraits--no males are allowed in the photograph, and no sexual activity of any kind).

http://www.studioproteus.com/mangasex.html

An interesting inteview with musician Merzbow:

Mainstream Japanese culture also seems more accepting of bondage films and women having sex with an octopus. Why?

We have no deviant sex because we have no Christianity. That is, until the end of the Tokugawa era in the 1800s. We began to import Western scientific theory and our sexuality began to Westernize. We also imported Western sexuality without knowledge of Christianity. The reason for women having sex with an octopus is because of our censorship-- her genitalia is covered. We have censorship of the genitals and no censorship of any sexual image without genitals. In the Japanese tradition, we have lots of strange sex images such as women with octopi. I think our present sexuality is influenced subliminally from the times before Tokugawa sexuality. It's a kind of mental pleasure- a sense of humor in sexuality. Presently, Manga and Owarai entertainment is also the same reconstructed traditional culture. In this culture, sex is not a matter of politics or science as is AIDS., the Gay movement, and sexual harassment in Western culture. Japanese sexual culture is a world of the imagination.

http://www.esoterra.org/merzbow.htm

Which fits with my thinking that this partly acceptable because of the rise of Shinto and other changes during the Edo period.

[edit: See also:

Diamond, M. & Uchiyama, A. (1999) Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan. International Journal of Law and Psychiatry 22(1): 1-22.

Xanatic: I'm not sure that it they unsophisticated/old-fashioned laws they are just different]

Emps
 
Xanatic, I think the legal view of pornography is somewhat different to the 'general' view - as the first article pointed out, men will happily read (should that be 'view'?) jazz mags on the train in public. TV isn't squeamish about sex either - there used to be a program on about 11pm which seemed essentially to be a visitor's guide to the country's more interesting massage parlours, and was presented by a panel that included women.

Love hotels, that's another one. Plenty of, discreet but not invisible.

Anyway I've always felt that the Japanese are less uptight than we are here in many ways.

Although the whole adolescent/pubescent schoolgirl thing is disturbing. I was told it was encouraged by the law relating to pubic hair (prepubescent = no hair = not illegal), but Emperor's article seems to indicate that it's a deliberate loophole???
 
Well, isn' t there also something about it not being allowed to show actual sex in british porn mags? Weird
 
In britain I think penetration of any kind is a no no, and you can show 'willies' so long as they're flacid.

Anything else goes I think.... not that I'm an expert on these matters or anything... mispent youth etc...
 
Emperor you seem far too interested in my tentacles, I'm flattered but I'm not that kind of boy.

There was a big change in the laws regarding hardcore porn in Britland last year or the year before. I'm not really that aware of all the ins and outs as I'm far too innocent to even know what porn is but the thrust of it is that the old laws have been pretty much rear ended and discarded in favour of looser, slacker restraints.
 
River_Styx said:
.........There was a big change in the laws regarding hardcore porn in Britland last year or the year before. I'm not really that aware of all the ins and outs as I'm far too innocent to even know what porn is but the thrust of it is that the old laws have been pretty much rear ended and discarded in favour of looser, slacker restraints.

Ooo Missus, settle down now.:D
 
lemonpie said:
Although the whole adolescent/pubescent schoolgirl thing is disturbing. I was told it was encouraged by the law relating to pubic hair (prepubescent = no hair = not illegal), but Emperor's article seems to indicate that it's a deliberate loophole???

I'd need to see the original law but I suspect it wasn' deliberate - it may be it isn't strictly worded - this says:


Article 175 of the Japanese Criminal Code was written with the intention of protecting the people from obscenity. The law is somewhat vaguely worded, but until quite recently (the mid-’90s, actually), it was interpreted as forbidding the depiction of pubic hair or genitalia in any visual or audio medium of art or entertainment. This law is much more uptight and conservative than the people themselves are, which has led to some very interesting results in Japanese film over the years. I’m against censorship in principle, but it seems like some of the most fascinating works of art come from cultures that suffer heavy censorship – it’s as though having something to fight against is like a fertilizer for creativity.

Interestingly the article also points out ways people ahve got around the law - which explains some of the odder aspects of hentai (tentacles, trannies and towering todgers):

In any case, Japanese animators have found ingenious ways to get around Article 175:

• In part 3 of F3: Frantic, Frustrated and Female (1995), the female protagonist magically acquires a penis. This can be shown, because it obviously can’t be a real penis. Girls don’t have such things, silly.

• Urotsukidoji (1987 - 91) is the show that single-handedly launched the "tits and tentacles" genre of anime. All kinds of graphic acts can be shown because, after all, a tentacle is not a penis. It can look like one, behave like one and ejaculate like one, but it obviously isn’t a penis. After Urotsukidoji, tentacles became very popular with animators.

• Welcome To The Ogenki Clinic (1991) features a sex therapist character with an enormous schlong. This cartoonish member can be shown because it doesn’t look realistic. For one thing, it’s five-feet long. It’s also got a face, glasses and a moustache. It even talks. You’d be forgiven in assuming that you are actually looking at a pair of siamese twins joined at the crotch. (It even looks just like the doctor.) Meanwhile, all of the other characters have smooth, featureless crotches where their censorship dots used to be. Funny!

RS: I'm a no-tenatcle kind of guy but thanks for letting em know (and thansk for the double entendre laden second paragraph ;) ).

Emps
 
Double entendre?
What on earth are you all talking about?
*innocent look*
 
The manga/anime Angel Sanctuary had brother-sister incest in it.

It seems that's acceptable to show, though I have no idea if there was any moral outrage about it in Japan.

I woudn't count on it getting past the BBFC either.

Thank god for Region 1 DVDs:)
 
Seems like the Japanese are cracking down:

Tokyo calls for ban on sale of used schoolgirls' underwear

By Colin Joyce in Tokyo
(Filed: 16/01/2004)


Officials in Tokyo yesterday sought to stop men buying schoolgirls' used underwear as the city tackles teenage prostitution.



By-laws will be amended to prohibit sex shops from buying underwear and other clothing from girls under 16 for resale to men.

The shops also sell swimsuits, gym knickers and schoolgirl uniforms, which resemble sailor outfits. Used underwear sells for around £25.

Under the proposed ban, men meeting girls aged under 16 between 11pm and 4am without the approval of the child's parents will be fined.

Sex with an under-age girl is already illegal, but the city wants to make it easier to stop offences before they occur.

Japan has been troubled for more than a decade by teenage prostitution, which girls euphemistically call "compensated dating".

Three years ago, the country was shocked when a 12-year-old, Noriko Kamiie, died after she jumped from the moving car of a man who had picked her up for sex.

Japanese use the term rori-kon, for Lolita Complex, to describe the widespread obsession with schoolgirls among the country's male population, who pay about £200 for sex with them.

"Compensated dating" is recognised as a nationwide phenomenon, with girls often using the money to buy goods such as Burberry scarves and Louis Vuitton handbags.

The problem is serious in Tokyo because girls from across Japan gather in the capital's fashionable Shibuya district. Many are doing what they call a puchi iede, or little runaway, meaning they stay away for several days before returning home.

Experts say the girls quickly run out of money but finance their adventures with "compensated dating" or by selling their underwear.

Source
 
I remember this from that program where Graham Norton was in Japan. After that I felt we should have nuked the whole country. But that probably wasn't the whole picture.
 
You really should have seen the Adam and Jo japanese programmes on BBC3; That'd change your mind - it's not all love hotels and schoolgirls' knickers - there's Sake downing salary men singing Kareoke for a start... you don't get that at the big evil corporation I work at. That can only be a bad thing.
 
Yeah I know, that's another sad thing about Japan. That you are supposed to be so stiff-upper lipped that karaoke is the only decent way to show your emotions.
 
You really have got it in for the japanese haven't you?
 
Hmm, well in some ways I quite admire them. But they are a weird people.
 
Mighty_Emperor said:
Seems like the Japanese are cracking down:

Tokyo calls for ban on sale of used schoolgirls' underwear

By Colin Joyce in Tokyo
(Filed: 16/01/2004)


Officials in Tokyo yesterday sought to stop men buying schoolgirls' used underwear as the city tackles teenage prostitution.

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Source

Its spreading:

Hokkaido looks to outlaw purchase of used underwear from teenage girls

SAPPORO -- The Hokkaido Prefectural Government is considering outlawing the purchase of used underwear from teenage girls, local government officials said.

The prefectural government is expected to revise the ordinance on the wholesome education of youths to incorporate a clause that would ban adults from buying used underwear directly from girls aged below 18. Violators would face up to one year in prison or a fine of not more than 500,000 yen.

It will refer the draft ordinance to an advisory council on issues relating to youths before submitting it to the prefectural assembly.

Prefectural government officials made the decision after deeming that a growing number of girls have fallen victim to sex-related crimes through the sale of their used underwear. The current ordinance bans the sale of used underwear to those aged under 18.

Seven prefectural governments -- Saitama, Chiba, Tokyo, Kanagawa, Aichi, Gifu and Osaka -- have already enacted ordinances prohibiting adults from buying used underwear directly from girls under 18 years of age. (Mainichi)

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February 1, 2006

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/ ... 8000c.html
 
The Japanese are victims of extremely selective news reporting. Basically the media like any quriky, weird Japan story, and that gets projected as the norm.
The used schoolgirls underwear story is a good example.

The Japanese are not anything like you might expect, I was on holiday there last year and they are a lot more friendly and open and less stiff-upper-lipped than the Brits.

Brits have a similarly skewed view of other places (eg California); imagine someone whose only image of Britain came from stories about dogging, Page 3 and eel and pie shops.
 
I'd love it if the uk had censorship like japan we stil have to much censorship hear in the uk.
 
Brits have a similarly skewed view of other places (eg California); imagine someone whose only image of Britain came from stories about dogging, Page 3 and eel and pie shops.

:D That would be one messed up view of Britain alright. I don't know why but it seems to me that all of the above things seem to fit together and could represent all the ingredients of a great night out for someone who was that way inclined, not that i have ever been dogging mind you. As for my frequenting eel shops well i'd love to but i don't think we have them over here in Ireland.
 
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