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We should also note that something called "Devil's Night" has popped up on October 30. From what I've seen, it's an inner city thing, seems to be an excuse to burn and destroy.
Devil's Night
In Detroit and Metro Detroit, Devil's Night is a traditional day on which citizens used to commit disproportionate acts of arson or other acts of vandalism such as toilet papering houses. In some recent years, there have been more than 300 fires set in the city of Detroit on this night, a much higher number than would be typical.
Several years ago, Detroit City officials organized and created Angel's Night on and around October 30th. Each year, as many as 40,000 volunteers successfully monitor the streets of Detroit on and around October 30th to prevent crime.
Devil's Night was fictionalized in the movie The Crow. The term is rarely used in official news reports, but the term is commonly used by Michigan citizens.
The name Devil's Night is used by various pranksters in the US and Canada, although the acts are far less destructive, criminal or violent.
The Purge, junior edition.Halloween is dawning - they even mark it in Russia these days, or the young do so in the major citites at least. It's that globalised.
I grew up in the seventies in the Northwest of England. My memory of that time is that Halloween was known about but was far from being the commecialised party event that it has since become. What we did have instead was Mischief Night - at least in the North we did.
I am vague about dates but I recall Mischief Night as being somewhere near Halloween (Wikipedia puts it at 4th November, which doesn't sit with me somehow). It was a big event, known about on a folk level (I don't think the media promoted it and I can't believe our parents would have told us about it!) in which kids, really young kids, were given licence to run riot for the night. I have spoken to southerners who have no memory of it, so it belongs to - at the very least - the north of Crewe.
Looking back on it ( and of course, it's a reinterpreted memory we're talking about here) I feel vaguely shocked at the fact that we were allowed to get a way with what we did. I recall ringing door bells and scarpering, nicking people'sgates and even someone sticking `bangers` in people's exhaust pipes - and generally seriously winding up older people. (I suppose it was `trick or treat` minus the request, or expectation, of any treat).
As for Halloween: yeah we sort of marked it with apple bobbing and I recall holding and (to my shame) dropping) a jack-o-lantern - made out of a turnip (I don't think I'd seen a real live pumpkin intil the late eighties at least!) But Mischief Night was the big event.
Do other's memories tally with this?
I'd never heard of it until recently, seems to be a NW England thing and largely an excuse for "legalized" troublemaking....
Talking of dog eggs, a good trick in the 70's was to spear one with a stick and wave it menacingly at the local hard kid gang waiting to try it on with you. They weren't afraid of being punched but were terrified of the possibility of their mates laughing at them for being splatted with dog poo .. and also being splatted with dog poo ..I grew up in Bradford. Mischief Night was definitely a thing, and it was definitely November 4, too. I don't remember getting up to any particular high (or low) jinks beyond knocking on doors and running away, but was aware of - pretty nasty - tricks like putting dog eggs in paper bags and setting the bag on fire on the doorstep of the poor sap whose door you'd just knocked on, in the hope that when they open the door, they stamp the fire out. Gluing drawing pins to doorbells was another very vindictive one I recall - the vicious detail being that you dip the point in the dog turd first, in the hope that your victim would lick the jabbed finger. That's tantamount to biological warfare I also have vague memories that other people's bonfires were key targets - to light them a day early. I have to say, I don't know if anyone actually did any of this - it's more like a sub-set of urban legends: you'll never guess what so-and-so's mate did.
I went trick-or-treating once as a child, in the early 1980s. It was already an accepted practice in Bradford by then. Like Zeke, I, too, had a turnip lantern rather than any of yer high-falutin' pumpkins. My "trick" was going to be to crush some of the garlic pearl capsules my mum was fond of taking - they didn't half reek if they did get punctured or broken. I don't think I got the opportunity to use them, though.
I'd never heard of it until recently, seems to be a NW England thing and largely an excuse for "legalized" troublemaking....
Me neither. Never heard of it 'til reading it here. Certainly not done to my knowledge dahn sarf & would have been frowned upon round my way.
So now we've got Halloween, Mischief Night & Guy Fawkes within 6 days..
Halloween was never a big thing when I was young - strictly Guy Fawkes only. And lets be honest, Guy Fawkes is the best of the lot - fireworks, bonfires, snacks. Halloween you're going to grow out of once you're older than 9..
It was! And we were well brought up middle-class kids and all! Someone else here called it The Purge: Junior edition, which is about right.
What about France then, McAvennie? I read somewhere that Northern France has a native All Hallow's Eve tradition - which surprised me a bit! Have you noticed any festive Halloween customs there which differ from the usual American export? (I'm thinking mulled wines, for some reason).
Mischief Night was certainly a thing in York in the 80's; our gate got took off its hinges and so on. Halloween has really buried, or subsumed, that tradition.
Mind you, the standard of Halloween masks is amazing; you wouldn't believe what the kids were wearing when they went off round Town last night. At least two clowns and a POTC Davy Jones.
Edenbridge Bonfire Society has been poking fun at the famous and infamous for more than 20 years by building and exploding a huge effigy alongside the traditional figure of Guy Fawkes.
Other well-known figures who have had the dubious honour of being the celebrity guy at Edenbridge's celebrations in past years include Cherie Blair, Katie Price, Gordon Brown and Russell Brand.
I grew up in Bradford. Mischief Night was definitely a thing, and it was definitely November 4, too. I don't remember getting up to any particular high (or low) jinks beyond knocking on doors and running away, but was aware of - pretty nasty - tricks like putting dog eggs in paper bags and setting the bag on fire on the doorstep of the poor sap whose door you'd just knocked on, in the hope that when they open the door, they stamp the fire out. Gluing drawing pins to doorbells was another very vindictive one I recall - the vicious detail being that you dip the point in the dog turd first, in the hope that your victim would lick the jabbed finger. That's tantamount to biological warfare I also have vague memories that other people's bonfires were key targets - to light them a day early. I have to say, I don't know if anyone actually did any of this - it's more like a sub-set of urban legends: you'll never guess what so-and-so's mate did.