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Nazi Pop Stars

evilsprout

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OK, the Kirk Brandon thread made me think of this one...

Are there any truly Nazi-sympathising rock/pop stars out there that made it to the mainstream? Obviously the Ace of Base story's a UL, and those dodgy Oi! bands never made it into the mainstream.

I was thinking of Lemmy, who collects Nazi regalia and has said some pretty holocaust-denying things (if my memory serves me correctly...)

Here's an interview with him denying it... http://www.motorhead.ru/int29davidlee.htm... convincing?
 
Then, of course, there was Bowie's famous Nazi salute at Victoria station. And the various other Nazi allegations and accusations against him too.

Not that I actually think he was or is a Nazi.
 
Evilsprout said:
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I was thinking of Lemmy, who collects Nazi regalia and has said some pretty holocaust-denying things (if my memory serves me correctly...)
Here's an interview with him denying it... http://www.motorhead.ru/int29davidlee.htm... convincing?

I was interested to read that piece - I remember an interview on TV where he made similar remarks about the holocaust.
However, that page seems to have been taken down, or there's some other problem. Anyhow, I found the following snippet here

Lemmy not a Nazi, just a fan

Motorhead's frontman Lemmy defends his Nazi collectibles in an upcoming issue of Q magazine by stating "I have two black girlfriends in this city [L.A.], so I must be the worst Nazi you ever came across. Half of my Jewish friends and black friends can go in my apartment and not be bothered [by the collection.]." Lemmy was responding to Q reader Stuart Barstow's question regarding Lemmy's Nazi collection. To make matters worse, Lemmy then denied the Holocaust resulted in the death of six million Jewish people. "There are photographs, but anyone can make photographs. You can fake anything. I think half of it's true and half of it isn't," he said.

Hmmmn...:hmph:

I don't suppose Lemmy actually is a Nazi - an idiot, maybe. I'm sure I read somewhere that a lot of members of the Klu Klux Klan and various jew/nigger-hating 'Christian' movements were found to be very keen on porn involving black women - and also 'interracial' stuff ie. black men with white women and vice versa.

I'm not a psychologist, but there's obviously some seriously f**cked up shit going on there....
 
Re: Re: Nazi pop stars

AndyX said:
I was interested to read that piece - I remember an interview on TV where he made similar remarks about the holocaust.
However, that page seems to have been taken down, or there's some other problem. Anyhow, I found the following snippet here

Lemmy not a Nazi, just a fan

Motorhead's frontman Lemmy defends his Nazi collectibles in an upcoming issue of Q magazine by stating "I have two black girlfriends in this city [L.A.], so I must be the worst Nazi you ever came across. Half of my Jewish friends and black friends can go in my apartment and not be bothered [by the collection.]." Lemmy was responding to Q reader Stuart Barstow's question regarding Lemmy's Nazi collection. To make matters worse, Lemmy then denied the Holocaust resulted in the death of six million Jewish people. "There are photographs, but anyone can make photographs. You can fake anything. I think half of it's true and half of it isn't," he said.

Hmmmn...:hmph:

I don't suppose Lemmy actually is a Nazi - an idiot, maybe. I'm sure I read somewhere that a lot of members of the Klu Klux Klan and various jew/nigger-hating 'Christian' movements were found to be very keen on porn involving black women - and also 'interracial' stuff ie. black men with white women and vice versa.

I'm not a psychologist, but there's obviously some seriously f**cked up shit going on there....


Well, Lemmy is one of the nicest persons I have ever met. He played sometime ago at the Hard Rock Cafe in Mexico City and afterwards it was mayhem. He's a very charismatic individual, and doesn't seem all that idiotic to me. Regarding his Nazi memorabilia, that was also a very popular trend in Mexico when I was growing up. You can also see a bunch of Mexican youngsters nowadays with black t-shirts with swasticas. Not really Nazis of course, not particularly racist (mind you, Mexican population is mostly mesoamerican indian), just being stupid perhaps. Nazi symbols are also popular with gangs, because they want to be bad and stuff, but hardly any of those guys would make it into the Hitlerian Youth ranks, for example.

Perhaps I am alone here, but most people have forgotten the origins and original meaning of the swastica, and how universal it is as a symbol, present in ancient cultures in India, China, America and other areas, and also how it was a Christian symbol for the church. Of course, you can never forget the crimes commited by the nazis, but I think the symbol of the swastica must be viewed as more than that. We can think of the Cross as another symbol with bad connotations, and the same can go with the Communist symbol, the yellow star on red background, or the Japanese Imperial Rising Sun. How about the Celtic Cross, the Union Jack, or even the American Eagle?

All I can say is that those symbols mean great things, but more than once they have been used for evil purposses, but that doesn't make them evil themselves.

By the way, I am a multirracial. Basque-arab-mesoamerican from my mother's side, and German-Basque-African from my fathers. My wife is Asian-Mesoamerican-Mediterranean. I guess that makes my kid a mix of everything human that ever walked the Earth. I have had relationships with people from different racial backgrounds and was even engaged to a Afroamerican girl. Races mean nothing to me. I just wanted to point that out before people start thinking I am a tall skinhead with blue eyes and a penchant for burning people with more melanine than me.

Anywaym I hope nobody takes offense on my opinions here.

:D
 
Like I said, I don't suppose Lemmy is a Nazi, nor an idiot (probably ;). I still think his remarks (about fake holocaust photos) were idiotic. It's exactly this kind of stuff that gets picked up by the far right and woven into some truly dangerous ideas and theories.

There are a couple of interesting examples of pre-Nazi good luck token featuring the swastika here , and a bit of historical background.

BTW I remember an interview with Mark E Smith from The Fall in which he was asked about his feelings on Nazism. He said something like "I don't admire the Nazis, what they did was terrible - they set German art back about 100 years".
But then he does like shocking people.
 
Me again.

I'm not sure if we're talking just about people with very intolerant far-right beliefs, or actual admirers of Herr Hitler.
Anyway, for what it's worth here's a little gem from Guns n' Roses. Don't remember the title of the song:


"Immigrants and faggots
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran,
Or spread some fuckin' disease
They talk so many goddamn ways
It's all Greek to me"
 
that would be 'One in a Million' ....and Guns and Roses suck:hmph:
 
Right, thanks. The only G 'n R songs I can remember are 'Sweet Child O' Mine', and that other one that goes DAH DAH DAH DAAH DAH DAH DAHH DADADADAA....
 
Yeah.......Confused..Double Standards...

I used to love Guns and Roses, after seeing them at their first ever gig in uk (yep-i am showing off) at the Marquee-they were nuts,particularly Axel,who was incredibly violent.
I used to have real problems with them though, particularly those lyrics.
I guess they were keeping it real in a red neck rocker way,which is (maybe?) differant than Eminem who always says something like "I was only being like a character in a film blah blah etc" when he must know his audience is kids and young teens who don't get that "nuance"
I always thought Lemmy was a little dubious with those comments and could never understand how he could get away with it, whilst someone like Morrisery or Kirk Brandon who stupidly (or not?) toyed (ironically?)with right wing imagery etc but got completly vilified by those music rags. Same applies to much of Hip Hop which sounds great ,but is really homophobic,Sexist etc but all those middle class white boys who write for those rags always seem to excuse it which is really rather worrying.:confused:
 
I've always had a sort of idea that Lemmy was one of the models for Michael Moorcock's character, Shakey Mo' Collier, sometimes Jerry Cornelius' right hand man. A sort of Heavy Metal, Alf Garnett.

Speaking of ageing, London, white, bluesmen, who've allegedly expressed dodgy, right wing views in the past, what about Eric Clapton? Apparently, he was making "Keep Britain White" remarks back in the seventies! :confused:

But, that pales into insignificance, since Morrissey apparently had a flirtation with far right imagery back in the early nineties! :eek!!!!:

Web page exploring Morrissey's 'NF Disco stuff'

No one said musicians had to be possessed of an over abundance of brains. Mind you, they can still take you aback!
 
Quote: "There are photographs, but anyone can make photographs. You can fake anything. I think half of it's true and half of it isn't," he said."
I knew a guy who was a photographer in the army and had the task of taking doc. photos inside Belsen as it was 'liberated'. After the war he never took another photo, gave away his cameras and became a sewing machine technician. That says it all for me.
 
By holocaust denying I mean the way that some people believe the holocaust didn't happen (at least on such a huge scale), and was a propoganda tool to be used by the Allies/Zionist conspirators. This is usually used by Neo-Nazis, who use it as an arguement for the Nazis not being so bad, and chuffs.
 
Nazi punks, nazi punks...

AndyX said:
There are a couple of interesting examples of pre-Nazi good luck token featuring the swastika here , and a bit of historical background.

There's a church in Cambridge that has a stained glass window featuring a swastika.
 
AndyX said:
"Immigrants and faggots
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran,
Or spread some fuckin' disease
They talk so many goddamn ways
It's all Greek to me"

As Justin points out above, artists/poets/novelists assume differing personae and perspectives from which to write. If they didn't, they'd be stuck writing only of those experiences they had had themselves. '

Axl can say what he likes lyrically (and I always assumed he was 'playing a role' in this song), it's only if he says he hates 'immigrants and faggots' (strange grouping!) in an interview that we should criticise. As to the naive public misundertanding, who cares? Huge swathes of the public are ignorant chimps who misunderstand everything beyond lager cans, junk food advertisments, and the national lottery- one should not bother spelling out such things to them.

Note: I'm not vaunting Axl Rose as a particularly glorious poet or anything; I'm just describing his job, not how well he does it.
 
Everyone knows that Slash was the real reason for their success, anyway.
 
There was a picture of Brian Jones taken about 1968 of him in black Nazi uniform standing on some dolls. Apparently, it was his girlfriend's (I think Anita Pallenburg) idea and he just went along with it. He was also pretty wacked out on drugs by then.

Cripian Mills of Kula Shakur claimed to "like swastikas." I think he was into all sorts of spiritual symbolism, but just came over naive.

With regards to Mark E Smith, I read an interview where he claimed to hate all Germans as they killed his grandfather in WW2.

In the late 80's there was a Yugoslav group called Laibach who dressed fascist-style and whose videos had a lot of fascist imagery.
 
Expressing an interest in Naziism is quite different to expressing admiration for it.

Carole
 
The french prog rock/zeuhlmuzik collective MAGMA were occasionally accused of being fascists possibly due to some combination of their austere black dress code (with big MAGMA symbol medallions
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) and their music which was slightly quasi-Wagnerian and epic. Also their albums followed this narrative about humankind being annexed by related aliens from the planet kobaia due to man's shallow selfishness, sinfulness and greed. All that said, they rabidly denied being fascists and I really like them for some reason...
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Not forgetting david bowie's thin white duke persona
 
I heard that Keith Moon used to dress up in a Nazi uniform and hang around Jewish neighbourhoods of London for a laugh. Nice guy (!).
 
carole said:
Expressing an interest in Naziism is quite different to expressing admiration for it.

Quite true. A friend of mine has the biggest collection of Nazi stuff you've ever seen in your life, including a huge portrait of Hitler complete with souvenir bullet holes. He has to keep all of this hidden in his basement, in a room without windows, lest people think he's a Nazi himself. He's Jewish, BTW :)

The whole thing reminds me of Voldemort, from Harry Potter, that no one's allowed to speak the Dread Name lest he jump up from the grave and grab them.
 
Dont forget that the swastika wasnt really invented by the nazis. It was an ancient symbol for the sun from ages past. Norse I believe, maybe Celtic.
 
GNC said:
I heard that Keith Moon used to dress up in a Nazi uniform and hang around Jewish neighbourhoods of London for a laugh. Nice guy (!).

In the mid-seventies Michael Parkinson did an interview with Peter Sellers, who was quite nervous and threatened to cancel at the last minute. Parkinson persuaded him to go through with it, but only if Sellars could come on in character - as a Nazi Stormtrooper - and Sellars was Jewish!
 
Cern said:
Dont forget that the swastika wasnt really invented by the nazis. It was an ancient symbol for the sun from ages past. Norse I believe, maybe Celtic.
i thought it was a pretty universal symbol. there are lots of them in the hindu temples i saw in india.
 
Evilsprout said:
I was thinking of Lemmy, who collects Nazi regalia and has said some pretty holocaust-denying things (if my memory serves me correctly...)
Here's my "girl friend who lived with him" take on the subject:

"My recollection of Lemmy is that he didn't have strong political views at all ... or rather, he did, but they changed every time I saw him. One week he would be a rabid Tory and the next he would be practically waving the red flag. I don't think any of his views were very fixed about anything, in fact, except of course his own irresistability."

Just as I suspected, a grade A tosser. :)
 
Toffeenose said:
i thought it was a pretty universal symbol. there are lots of them in the hindu temples i saw in india.

Yup, they're just about everywhere. We used to draw them on the toilet walls inprimary school just becausewe thought it was a really cool shape. I guess most cultures must have felt the same at some point.
 
Toffeenose said:
i thought it was a pretty universal symbol. there are lots of them in the hindu temples i saw in india.

The Swastika is an old Indian symbol and the name "Swastika" itself is a sanskrit term.
I've seen swastikas used on Hindu centres in this country (and I don't mean by the local branch of C18). They are also used on Japanese maps to denote a Buddhist temple, much in the same way that UK maps use a cross to show where a church is located.
 
It is pretty hard to reclaim the swastika, after the deeds performed
beneath it. Unease at its associations caused it to be quietly removed
from innocent use during the 1930s. Two examples spring to mind: it
had been adopted as a colophon by Kipling and appears on pre-war
editions of his books. Given his reputation for racism and reactionary
politics, readers think they have stumbled on a Nazi sympathiser. He
wasn't, though he admired Mussolini's Italy - so did GBS, come to that.

The twisted cross also appears on the embossed matrix details of HMV
records in the early 1930s to denote electric recordings. It replaced the
triangle and was succeeded by the square. This happened fairly quickly
after Hitler became Chancellor, as if the company was well aware that
the symbol was now tainted.

I can't believe that any European flaunting the swastika today is attempting
to reclaim it as a positive sun symbol. The Nazi associations are indelible.
Maybe in India its roots are deeper and its history less chequered. :confused:
 
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