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Pietro_Mercurios said:...which involve detonating 700 tons of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil (the equivalent of 500+ tons of TNT), underground, to simulate the use of low yield, tactical nuclear bunker busters....nuclear tests, stirred up and released by the explosion, will reach the media and cause an outcry.
Why did you omit this relevant passage?wembley8 said:Pietro_Mercurios said:...which involve detonating 700 tons of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil (the equivalent of 500+ tons of TNT), underground, to simulate the use of low yield, tactical nuclear bunker busters....nuclear tests, stirred up and released by the explosion, will reach the media and cause an outcry.
There will be no radioactivity from Divine Strake because no radioactive material is involved - as you quoted yourself, it's just good old-fashioned ANFO like the IRA used to use.
The point is that it will validate the computer models used for large underground (for example, but not necessarily, nuclear) explosions.
Even the relevant Authorities admit that radioactive material, already in the ground from previous tests, will be released, although they claim that amounts will be small.Pietro_Mercurios said:... News of the resulting dust cloud of radioactive debris, from previous nuclear tests, stirred up and released by the explosion ...
Like I said, plenty of possiblity for the escape of radioactivity, where it comes for is another matter.http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4915638
Stop the bomb: Divine Strake's threat is real
[Salt Lake] Tribune Editorial. Article Last Updated: 12/28/2006
When the federal government promises residents who live downwind from a planned explosion at the Nevada Test Site that they are in no danger, the reassurances have a hollow resonance.
Such promises are eerily familiar to victims of 1950s nuclear testing and their families who have lived with the deadly effects of the radioactive dust scattered over the West by the above-ground blasts.
Now the Pentagon expects downwinders to buy similar not-to-worry claims about Divine Strake, a non-nuclear chemical blast planned for the spring that would be nearly 50 times larger than the biggest known conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal.
Excuse our scepticism.
First came the ludicrous official statement that radioactive dust remaining from the Cold War-era nuclear testing (that initially had been claimed to be non-existent) would somehow remain within the boundaries of the test site. Now the Pentagon says a new study has shown that, yes, the contaminated dust could be blown sky-high by the enormous explosion and deliver a dose of radioactivity to the off-site public.
But wait. The Pentagon promises that exposure to residents of even the nearest town, 12 miles away, would not be "significant." The report did not gauge possible exposure farther away, even though studies of the old nuclear tests have shown that some Westerners hundreds of miles from the test site became sick and died from the fallout.
Granted, this non-nuclear test likely would be less dangerous than its nuclear predecessors, but any danger to civilians is absolutely unacceptable.
The Pentagon says it needs the test results to help develop computer models to simulate the damage to underground targets that would be inflicted by bunker-buster bombs. We are concerned that this is double-talk to disguise plans for a new generation of smaller nuclear weapons, now banned by Congress. Such a covert escalation of the nuclear arms race would not only be illegal, but likely would encourage Iran and other countries to speed developent of their own nuclear weapons.
Utahns and Nevadans have a chance in upcoming hearings to tell the Pentagon what they think of this reckless idea. They should speak plainly. Because the only sure way to prevent Divine Strake from raining radioactive debris on civilians is to junk the whole project, permanently.
Mattattattatt said:Actually, I dreampt the other night about a small asteroid hitting a town in the UK, causing a small mushroom cloud and destroying a chunk or somewhere beginning with "W"... Can't remember the name tho
funnily enough, the met office has been predicting a cold spell too...Ronson8 said:I predict there will be a drop in temperature from tomorrow and all the biting critters will be terminated.
rynner said:funnily enough, the met office has been predicting a cold spell too...Ronson8 said:I predict there will be a drop in temperature from tomorrow and all the biting critters will be terminated.
Just a hunch based on a very vivid dream I had the other night: Animal experts will be amazed at a previously unknown aspect of big cat behaviour (most likely lions) that was discovered using night vision cameras.
TheQuixote said:Madonna does another 'Waynetta' and adopts another child,
I think there may be a high-profile kidnapping to hit the news.
Uncertainty
The perils of prediction
May 31st 2007
From The Economist print edition
“IT'S tough to make predictions, especially about the future,” said that great baseball-playing philosopher, Yogi Berra. And yet we continue to try, churning out forecasts on everything from the price of oil to the next civil war. Nassim Nicholas Taleb, a professor of the sciences of uncertainty (who gave us “known unknowns”), has no time for the “charlatans” who think they can map the future. Forget the important things: we can't even get it right when estimating the cost of a building—witness the massively over-budget Sydney Opera House or the new Wembley Stadium.
The problem is that almost all forecasters work within the parameters of the Gaussian bell curve, which ignores large deviations and thus fails to take account of “Black Swans”. Mr Taleb defines a Black Swan as an event that is unexpected, has an extreme impact and is made to seem predictable by explanations concocted afterwards. It can be both positive and negative. Examples include the September 11th 2001 attacks and the rise of the internet. Smaller shocks, such as novels and pop acts whose popularity explodes thanks to word of mouth, can also be Black Swans.
Humans are bad at factoring in the possibility of randomness and uncertainty. We forget about unpredictability when it is our turn to predict, and overestimate our own knowledge. When researchers asked a group of students to choose a range for the number of lovers Catherine the Great had had, wide enough to ensure that they had a 98% chance of being right, a staggering 45% of them got it wrong.
Why didn't they guarantee being correct by picking a range of none to ten thousand? After all, there were no prizes for keeping the range tight. The answer is that humans have an uncontrollable urge to be precise, for better or (all too often) worse. That is a fine quality in a watch-repair man or a brain surgeon, but counter-productive when dealing with uncertainty.
Mr Taleb cut his philosophical teeth in the basement of his family home in Lebanon during the long civil war there (another Black Swan), devouring books as mortars flew overhead. By the time he began work as a financial-market “quant” in the 1980s, he had already become convinced that the academic mainstream was looking at probability the wrong way. He remains a maverick, promoting the work of obscure thinkers and attacking Nobel laureates. All he is trying to do, he says, is make the world see how much there is that can't be seen.
Why, he asks, do we take absence of proof to be proof of absence? Why do we base the study of chance on the world of games? Casinos, after all, have rules that preclude the truly shocking. And why do we attach such importance to statistics when they tell us so little about what is to come? A single set of data can lead you down two very different paths. More maddeningly still, when faced with a Black Swan we often grossly underestimate or overestimate its significance. Take technology. The founder of IBM predicted that the world would need no more than a handful of computers, and nobody saw that the laser would be used to mend retinas.
Nor do we learn the right lessons from such eruptions. Mr Taleb argues convincingly that the spectacular collapse in 1998 of Long-Term Capital Management was caused by the inability of the hedge fund's managers to see a world that lay outside their flawed models. And yet those models are still widely used today. This is ridiculous but not surprising. Business is stuffed full of bluffers, he argues, and successful companies and financial institutions owe as much to chance as to skill.
That is a little unfair. Many blockbuster products have their roots in bright ideas, rigorous research and canny marketing, rather than luck. And corporate “scenario planners” are better than they used to be at thinking about Black Swan-type events. Still, this is a small quibble about a deeply intelligent, provocative book. Deftly weaving meditation with hard-edged analysis, Mr Taleb succeeds in bringing sceptical empiricism to the masses.
Do not expect clear answers. He suspects that crises will be fewer in number but more severe in future. And he suggests concentrating on the consequences of Black Swans, which can be known, rather than on the probability that they will occur, which can't (think of earthquakes). But he never makes professional predictions because it is better to be “broadly right rather than precisely wrong”.
The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
By Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Random House; 400 pages; $26.95.
Allen Lane; £20
http://www.economist.com/books/displays ... id=9253918
chriswsm said:Sheep cause trouble on the motorway in the UK and this story is in the evening news programmes.
A menagerie of animals caused major disruption to traffic after a trailer box overturned on a motorway.
Four goats, three sheep, four chickens, one pony, two ducks, one rabbit, two geese and two pigs had to be rescued after the crash on the M3 in Hampshire.
OldTimeRadio said:This coming Christmas will be Robert Mugabe's last as President of Zimbabwe - provided he makes it until Christmas.
chriswsm said:A menagerie of animals caused major disruption to traffic after a trailer box overturned on a motorway.
Four goats, three sheep, four chickens, one pony, two ducks, one rabbit, two geese and two pigs had to be rescued after the crash on the M3 in Hampshire.
Sheep on the motorway Shame I missed the rest of the farm.
TheQuixote said:I think there may be a high-profile kidnapping to hit the news.
I think parts of England may be hit by extreme flooding in Spring.
finley909 said:TheQuixote said:I think there may be a high-profile kidnapping to hit the news.
I think parts of England may be hit by extreme flooding in Spring.
First time post here, been watching far too long without uttering a word, but seeing Quixote's predictions come true has broken my silence!
High Profile kidnapping - Madeline McCann
Extreme flooding - Wrong season there, but spot on again.
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TheQuixote said:They do look like hits but if I'm being honest, they're very vague. I was going on what is usually in the news - the flooding, well, I was going on from last year's floods in the UK. It's been usual for the past few years that we'll be hit by them. Plus with the warm winter that we'd had, I assumed we'd be in for some extreme weather
As for the kidnap 'prediction', I don't know, I was actually thinking of the sub-continent or Middle East when I wrote that down as again, kidnaps in those areas are pretty much a certainty too (the news just in is that a German national has been kidnapped in Afghanistan).