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They're angling for British celebs too. In yesterday's Sunday Times it claimed that they're after Posh Spice...another reason to mock them.

The top cop is only following in the footsteps of a string of high ranking police officers who were a bit too interested in religion.
 
Timble2 said:
They're angling for British celebs too. In yesterday's Sunday Times it claimed that they're after Posh Spice...another reason to mock them.

The top cop is only following in the footsteps of a string of high ranking police officers who were a bit too interested in religion.

Hmm, I think I saw that Cruise and David Beckham were mates so there's a connection there as well.
DB's star may be on the fall but if he takes on the Hubbard cult and gets copied by the masses we could have a load of teenage Xenu clones....

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Plasticine and teddy bears at the new UK base of L Ron Hubbard
Questions raise suspicions after Guardian penetrates movement's City building

Paul Lewis
Saturday October 28, 2006

Guardian

The building which opened a week ago in the City of London in a sea of confetti could have been any new five-star hotel or corporate headquarters. On its first day open, men and women in matching uniforms and automatic smiles darted across marble floors, the smell of fresh paint in the air.
The grandiose premises now belonging to the Church of Scientology is a multimillion pound launchpad for the group's expansion in the UK. While Scientologists describe their "applied religion" as an exact science which guarantees self-improvement, critics say the organisation is a personality cult based on the obscure beliefs of a man who said humans are aliens implanted into volcanoes trillions of years ago.

Former members claim Scientology targets vulnerable individuals, persuading them into spending exorbitant sums of money on "auditing", a form of counselling. Posing as a student - Scientology's founder, the late science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, banned journalists from becoming members - the Guardian gained access to the church's newest centre of recruitment this week.

Proceedings began with free IQ personality tests, quickly followed by a 30-minute video in a dimly lit cinema. The personality questions included "Is your voice monotonous, rather than varied in pitch?", "Would you rather give orders than take them?", and "Could you agree to strict discipline?".

The film's presenter talked about Ron, who is dead but with us in spirit. "Man has never had a better friend," he said. The authorities once tried to thwart his incredible findings about the human brain because Ron's work endangered their secret mind control programmes, he added. Finally, staring at the camera, he said that anyone is free to turn their back on Scientology. But beware: "That would be stupid." The camera zoomed closer. "You can also walk off a bridge or blow your brains out."

I sat with staff member Anne, white roses between us, as she asked a series of questions about my life, probing deeper when I spoke about my father and ex-girlfriend. Smiling, she eyed the results of the personality test. "You're an up and down kind of person. You scored high on depression, nervousness, irresponsibility. But you're active. You have mood swings don't you? What do you want to change in your life?" I said nothing. "Can I tell you something?" She paused. "This is just my view, an objective view." She paused again. "You just don't look very happy."

Within 15 minutes, Anne had acquired my address, phone number, email address, bank details and £32.27 for a Personal Efficiency course plus two books by L Ron Hubbard.

The course took place on the second floor, behind heavy wooden doors. The classroom was composed of rows of tables lined with silver bowls containing wooden blocks and Plasticine. Dorothy, my course supervisor, a grey-haired Scottish woman who peered through glasses perched on the end of her nose, sat behind a desk at the end of the room.

She explained the house rules: work 10am till 6pm, be punctual, don't ask other students questions and refrain from alcohol or drugs during the course. "No food or drink includes chewing gum," she said. "Chewing gum is a form of food. So now you can go and put it in the bin." At the end of each exercise in the coursebook, I wrote down how I could apply what I had learned to my own life. In the mornings, Dorothy checked I had done what I promised.

After days of filling out sheets of A4 paper, I had learned that all "the data" can be found in Hubbard's writings and anything I came across with which I didn't agree - like, for example, the claim that "yellow and brown people" are less "progressive" than whites - should be skipped and revisited later. The course explained how the mind, body and spirit are separate, and life is a game. Within the game there is a scale of eight "impulses" that can be conquered by purging the mind of anxious thoughts. This is done through "auditing", a form of confessional counselling which relies on a machine attached by wires to two metal cylinders which, when held in a person's palms, measures their mental state. After each chapter in the coursebook, Dorothy asked me to demonstrate to other students what I had learned using wooden blocks and Plasticine. Once she asked me to explain the "communication cycle" to Sam, a nine-year-old boy who sat alone at the back of the classroom. Instead I showed Sam how to make a monster out of the playdough. Dorothy intervened. Scientology reportedly regards children to be "big Thetans in little bodies" - the immortal aliens called Thetans who, followers are said to believe, are our ancestors and who came to Earth 75m years ago.

Dorothy also asked me to practice auditing with a teddy bear, and watched as I asked the bear if it could recall an experience that made it happy.

The other students appeared to accept everything Dorothy was saying. After just one day, Laura, a shy teacher in her 40s, said Scientology had made her fundamentally review her belief system. "It's amazing". Peter, a Ghanaian in his 30s, demanded we all call him John the Baptist. Later, I saw him working from children's books. Close to the end of the course, and on the verge of my first auditing session, I asked Dorothy about the claims that Scientologists believe humans derive from aliens. She left the room. For several minutes, Dorothy and a shorter woman stood in the corridor, staring at me through a glass panel. Neither smiled. Eventually the shorter woman came back in and sat down opposite me. "I heard you had some questions for us," she said. "Do we look like aliens? Are you a journalist?"

Some names have been changed.

Backstory
The Scientology movement was formed in the 1950s by the science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard. It claims 10 million members worldwide, including 123,000 in the UK, although these figures have been questioned by critics who insist the worldwide membership stands somewhere between 100,000 and 500,000.

It has proved popular in Hollywood with Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes (above) and John Travolta all signed up. Each member is asked to donate a minimum $450 (£240) a year, with some handing over millions more. Last year Scientology opened 1,300 new missions around the world. It has recently unveiled centres in New York, Madrid and now London.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2006
 
Police Scientology gifts inquiry

Tom Cruise is an outspoken advocate of the religion
The City of London Police is carrying out an inquiry amid claims officers accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the Church of Scientology.
Some received free invitations to a charity dinner, with Tom Cruise as the guest of honour, details from a Freedom of Information Act request showed.

More than 20 officers were allegedly targeted over a 15-month period.

A City of London Police spokesman said it was ensuring all members of staff were aware of its hospitality policy.

He said: "We are conducting a review to ensure that all members of staff are aware of the force policy on accepting hospitality and to assess whether clarification of amendment...is necessary".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 171948.stm
 
Here be a link to a "Scientology Orientation" Video you get to see once you've paid up. It's a scream :lol:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/538997/5426554/:twisted:
Shows just how weird this bunch of businessmen are, also inept filmaking at it's best. Nowhere near as much fun as Mel Gibsons effort for the Catholic church.
Maybe they'd do better showing "Battlefield Earth"!

PS You don't have to join to download the thing ;)
 
morningstar667 said:
Here be a link to a "Scientology Orientation" Video you get to see once you've paid up. It's a scream :lol:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/538997/5426554/:twisted:
Shows just how weird this bunch of businessmen are, also inept filmaking at it's best. Nowhere near as much fun as Mel Gibsons effort for the Catholic church.
Maybe they'd do better showing "Battlefield Earth"!

PS You don't have to join to download the thing ;)

No but you need a Torrent program installed which I don't use.
 
Rrose_Selavy said:
No but you need a Torrent program installed which I don't use.

Easy peasy, 4 steps:Download torrent prog, download Scientology vid delete torrent prog, watch.....
 
morningstar667 said:
Rrose_Selavy said:
No but you need a Torrent program installed which I don't use.

Easy peasy, 4 steps:Download torrent prog, download Scientology vid delete torrent prog, watch.....

No thanks. I've got enough progs already without junping through more hoops just to watch one video.
I'll give it a miss.
 
As P T Barnum once said:

"There's a sucker born every minute."

;)
 
Rrose_Selavy said:
morningstar667 said:
Rrose_Selavy said:
No but you need a Torrent program installed which I don't use.

Easy peasy, 4 steps:Download torrent prog, download Scientology vid delete torrent prog, watch.....

No thanks. I've got enough progs already without junping through more hoops just to watch one video.
I'll give it a miss.

c'est la vie
 
Name: Emilio Estevez
Profession: actor
Status: out, and won't discuss it.
"I don't want my phones tapped"
 
Quite a few of them have allegedly dabbled but moved on - Leonard Cohen ?

The most remarkable was probably Gloria Swanson - if true - in the 50s? When LRH started it - maybe he deliberately targeted "influential" stars - Though actors are jof course just a gullible as the rest of us it seems.

Or as Hubbard might have said:
"I am small. It's the "religion" that got big."
 
Pass the sick bag.....

Thursday, November 23 2006, 13:47 UTC - by Matt Houghton


Guests were reportedly moved to tears during the wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

As the Hollywood couple took to the dancefloor to dance to Fleetwood Mac's ballad 'Songbird', they gazed into each other's eyes, reducing a number of guests to tears.

Actress Jenna Elfman told People magazine, "The first dance - I was bawling. They were just looking into each others eyes. It was amazing."

Designer Giorgio Armani seconded the sentiment saying that after their kiss at the altar, the couple "looked at each other for a long moment, as if letting the importance of that moment sink in".
The couple are currently honeymooning in the Maldives.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39780.html

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Actress Jenna Elfman told People magazine, "The first dance - I was bawling. They were just looking into each others eyes. It was amazing."

I wonder if Katie got a crick in her neck from looking down all the time she was dancing?
 
So then I looked up this Jenna Elfman on good ol' wiki:

In 2005, Elfman appeared at the Church of Scientology's controversial "Psychiatry: An Industry of Death" Museum, which puts forth a conspiracy theory connecting Adolf Hitler to the psychiatric profession. [1] In June 2006, Elfman and Bodhi Elfman reportedly approached independent film director John Roecker on a street in Los Feliz, California because of a shirt Roecker was wearing that ridiculed Scientology and Scientologists Tom Cruise and John Travolta (The front of the shirt had a picture of Tom Cruise. The caption read "Scientology Is Gay." The back of the shirt had a picture of John Travolta. The caption on the back read "Very Gay.") Jenna Elfman loudly asked Roecker what crimes he had committed and was so agitated that she continued, "Have you raped a baby?" [2]. This is a well-known scientology tactic, of confronting critics with demands that they confess whatever crimes the scientologist insists they have committed.

Okay, so from this stem a number of relatively interesting articles...

article for [1]
http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3137&IssueNum=136
Scientology vs. Science
Psychiatry, says L. Ron Hubbard’s church, is responsible for Nazism, school shootings, and even 9/11

~ By ANDREW GUMBEL ~

Even before I start writing this column, and pretty much regardless of what I say, I know I am going to tick off the Scientologists. I know this because I have ticked them off already.

A few days ago, I visited their new anti-psychiatry museum in Hollywood, thinking, correctly, that it would offer an intriguing window into the thinking of a notoriously secretive organization. With a name like “Psychiatry: Industry of Death,” the exhibit was not exactly going to be coy about its point of view.

About halfway through the lengthy parade of videos and visual displays – after I had been informed of psychiatry’s long-standing “master plan” for world domination, after the lecture about Adolf Hitler’s central role in making this plan a reality, but just before the display holding psychiatry to blame for the deaths of Ernest Hemingway, Del Shannon, Billie Holiday, Kurt Cobain, Spalding Gray, and just about every other entertainment celebrity who did not happen to die of strictly natural causes – a man in a gray shirt and matching tie approached me in the semi-darkness and asked me to step aside.

I recognized him from the reception desk on my way into the building. He’d welcomed the half-dozen or so people who started the tour with me and handed out our audio headsets. He had also given a slightly peculiar answer to a passerby who asked what the museum charged for admission. “It doesn’t cost anything to get in,” he had said with rather deliberate emphasis. To which I couldn’t resist responding: “But getting out again is a whole different matter.” I soon regretted making that crack.

“I saw you were taking notes,” he said sternly. “Are you a reporter?” I told him I was, and gave him the name of the publication. That was fine, he said, but he would appreciate it if I had a word with the museum’s publicist on my way out. The publicist, a thin, wiry woman called Marla Filidei, made a couple of subsequent sweeps through the exhibit herself. When my companion and I finally sat down with her in a conference room, she asked us what we had made of our experience.

Within a minute or two, it was clear she was not nearly as interested in our opinion of the way the exhibit was put together – which was how I chose to interpret her question – as she was in bombarding us with more talking points about the evils of psychiatry. I told her I wasn’t a scientist and had no interest in getting into a detailed argument about the benefits or dangers of mood-altering drugs; on the other hand, she wasn’t a scientist either, and the Church of Scientology had absolutely no standing to pronounce on medical issues. That clearly riled her, because by the time I got home there was an e-mail waiting in which she called our meeting “the most bizarre encounter I have had with a reporter in 10 years” and essentially berated me for refusing to engage in an argument she was clearly itching to have.

None of this should come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the recent outbursts of über-Scientologist Tom Cruise – his trashing of Brooke Shields after she went public about her post-partum depression, or his set-to with Matt Lauer about Ritalin, in which he proclaimed himself an expert on the history of psychiatry and made almost as big a fool of himself as he had by jumping up and down on Oprah’s couch. The crudeness of the anti-psychiatric argument is tinged with a distinct patina of paranoia. It’s not enough for Scientologists to express their near-pathological hatred of psychiatry in all its forms; they also have to feel they are being persecuted for their beliefs.

The premise of the museum is a little like the plot of the old Ingrid Bergman movie Gaslight: Psychiatrists are the real-life incarnation of the Charles Boyer character, who, for his own nefarious purposes, does everything he can to make his wife believe she is crazy when in fact she is perfectly sane. Constant reference is made to “psychiatric victims,” the profession’s “unsuspecting human guinea pigs,” its unscrupulous resort to “the mass drugging of millions.” And what is the motivation behind all this? A couple of things: control, of course – that desire for world domination dictated by psychiatry’s “master plan” – and money, the opportunity to make pots and pots of money by creating and perpetuating the misery of others.

In some ways, psychiatry is an easy target: everything from the appalling cruelty of Victorian mental institutions, which charged admission so the public could have a good laugh at the idiots, to the eugenics movement, which was indeed an influence on Nazism (and the segregationists of the Jim Crow South), to the whole contentious history of electroshock therapy and lobotomy. In the contemporary world, there are plenty of just criticisms to be leveled at the overweening power of the pharmaceutical industry and its lobbyists, the over-prescription of tranquillizers and mood modifiers from Prozac to Ritalin, the documented history of worrisome, sometimes fatal, side-effects that emerge long after drugs have been given FDA approval, and on and on.

But it is one thing to assert that psychiatry has had its abuses, quite another to say the profession in and of itself is evil. The “Industry of Death” museum goes one step further even than that, all but asserting that psychiatry is responsible for everything evil in the world. Psychiatry is the key to understanding Hitler, not extreme nationalism (“no man in history has been more prominent in the psychiatric dream of world domination …”). Psychiatry is responsible for plummeting educational standards in the United States, not chronic underfunding, and it is to blame, too, for rising health insurance premiums. Psychiatry lies behind the recent rash of school shootings. It is even responsible for 9/11. “Suicide bombers are … assassins manufactured through drugs and psycho-political methods,” one of the displays asserts. “Careful psychiatric indoctrination and treatment can make the most barbaric act rational.”

It’s hard to talk about errors of fact in such assertions (although, note to Ms. Filidei: Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is a pediatric surgeon, not a psychiatrist) when the assertions themselves are characterized by a glaring failure to provide even the most basic factual corroboration. This is the classic stuff of paranoid conspiracy theory: grab every negative tidbit you can, disregard anything that even smacks of the positive, throw it all together and conflate it into something bigger than the sum of its parts. Suddenly, psychiatrists are all evil, their diagnostic manual a colossal hoax from start to finish; there is no justification for the theory that chemical imbalances cause mental health problems; Ritalin is never appropriate, for children or adults; in fact, there may be no such thing as mental illness in the first place.

This nonsense might be funny if it weren’t also so perniciously influential. The gala opening of the museum, just before Christmas, was a star-studded affair headlined by Anne Archer, Jenna Elfman, and much of the rest of Hollywood’s Scientologist elite. The museum is a no-expense-spared, slick exercise in propaganda aimed at the widest possible audience. As the distinctly creepy recruitment slogan illuminated above the final video display had it: “You are safe as long as we are here.”
In our increasingly anti-rational age, the Scientologists’ assault on psychiatry takes its place alongside the anti-Darwin movement, the anti-global warming movement, and, indeed, the Bush White House’s general disregard of established scientific fact. It needs to be denounced every bit as vigorously as the rest. My companion probably had it right when, as we left the museum, she paced up and down the street shouting: “I’m on Ritalin, and it changed my life!” The passers-by on Sunset were soon howling with laughter, the best possible corrective.

and then there's [2] which I wanted to follow up because it said "This is a well-known scientology tactic, of confronting critics with demands that they confess whatever crimes the scientologist insists they have committed" only the article doesn't really extrapolate beyond that (does anyone have anything on that?)
anyway, here's the link:
http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/13/when-elfmans-explode/
 
What bothers me about Scientology more than anything else is it's such a waste of an opportunity. If you were to create a new religion in a post-industrialisation, post-global communication and mass-media environment, you'd try to give it a little je ne sais quoi, surely? It doesn't even have the kitsch factor of the Unarians or Aetherians or even the Heaven's Gate group. It's just really, really shit sci-fi.
 
Here's the $64,000 question then....
What do relatively intelligent people like some of these celebrities see in it? Why are they members? Is it a hobby , boredom, or what..?

:roll:
 
dr_wu said:
Here's the $64,000 question then....
What do relatively intelligent people like some of these celebrities see in it? Why are they members? Is it a hobby , boredom, or what..?

:roll:

My own take on this is that this is a New Age Masonic thing.

It has the New Age self-help/therapy thing that Hollywood seems to love but creates a very cliquey club and access to quite a fairly powerful group which maybe good for general business networking etc., etc..
 
And celebrities get perks, like servants from the lower ranks and 5 star treatment. No doubt they're told how important they've neen in the aeons long interstellar war between good and evil, too. Big Names are important to the cult because they give an air of legitimacy and can attract the shoals of small fish that it require in large numbers to make more fertiliser.
 
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-12-15/

Movie stars Jennifer Lopez and Jim Carrey have laughed off reports their newfound friendship with Tom Cruise is proof of a burgeoning interest in his Scientology religion. Insiders tell the New York Post that Catholic-raised Lopez has been slowly introduced to the controversial religion by her friend Leah Remini, who stars in sitcom The King Of Queens, while funnyman Carrey is taking introductory courses in the religion. The media were stunned last month when Cruise and new wife Katie Holmes invited Lopez, her husband Marc Anthony, Carrey and his girlfriend Jenny McCarthy to their Italian wedding - because the Mission: Impossible star had never been known to socialize with the quartet. In the past two weeks, Cruise and Holmes have socialized with Lopez and Anthony on at least three occasions. Despite the couples' new friendships with the Cruises, their representatives insist Scientology isn't their common interest. Lopez's spokesperson says, "I have no knowledge of this, but I probably wouldn't have a comment on it if I did." Carrey's publicist adds, "He is not taking classes."

Not Jenny from the block! And Jim from, erm, Canada.
 
Man, this thread has turned into such a vapid no-brainer. Any hope of understanding or discussion seems overridden by mindless intolerance. Gather round folks, pitch forks and torches will be supplied! :roll: I think the title to this thread should have a slight change; add the word "roast" to it, someone, please, since that's pretty much all that's going on here.
 
What do you know about Scientology that we don't?
 
ghostdog19 said:
Man, this thread has turned into such a vapid no-brainer. Any hope of understanding or discussion seems overridden by mindless intolerance. Gather round folks, pitch forks and torches will be supplied! :roll: I think the title to this thread should have a slight change; add the word "roast" to it, someone, please, since that's pretty much all that's going on here.
gncxx said:
What do you know about Scientology that we don't?
Oh! Yes! Please, tell us what we're missing. :)
 
gncxx said:
What do you know about Scientology that we don't?
Pietro_Mercurios said:
Oh! Yes! Please, tell us what we're missing. :)
Sorry to disappoint but I haven't anything benightedly second hand and damning enough to contribute. But hell, if ever I feel the urge to condemn people's beliefs based on what little I know... :roll:
 
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