gattino
Justified & Ancient
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Firstly a brief background:
1) I believe in/accept the existence of "psi", for the simple reason I experience it so frequently and casually - sometimes startlingly but never ever usefully! - that the reality of it is no longer a question for me. I believe minds are not confined to brains, and that's as much as I can conclude about its nature.
2) A couple of times over the years I've attempted brief bouts of experimentation with remote viewing/telepathy - specifically a correspondent at at distance concentrates on an image while I close my eyes and record whatever occurs to me. It has appeared to be succesful more often than not (the visions tend to be symbolic of the thing concentrated on, as they would be in a dream, rather than literal and precise), with one caveat - that it only ever seemed to be successful when I was the receiver rather than the "transmitter".
This last point is one easy explanation for the fact an experiment in recent days to "psychically will" a friend I've not heard from for a long time to phone me didn't work. The other explanation is of course that such a thing is impossible and don't be silly. But it was worth a go.
So that's the background. My question/point stems from a reconsideration of a double incident a couple of months ago which contravened this "I can only receive never transmit" assumption....an incident which might hold clues to how psi, at least n the form of "telepathy" actually works......
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Back in March I went on weekend trip with friends to Istanbul. It's my habit prior to a trip to go on local or international social network sites to try and chat with a local or two, or other foreign traveller, to ask advice or whatever. So it was that I swapped a few messages with an exotic mixed race type..half black spanish american ...He said he was "Cayetano". I started to type that for a moment I didn't know if it was a name (it was) or he was describing his ethnicity.. "like Mulato". BUT, suddenly being unsure if it was a racist term or not, I DIDN'T TYPE IT. I rewrote the message leaving that bit out. The word never passed my lips/fingers. So imagine my consternation when in his next message he talked about his next job assignment to Brazil and referred to the local Mulatos....This was startling, its hardly an everyday word, and its reasonable to assume that if psi was present it was passing from me to him, uniquely in my experience, as he would presumably not have pre-scripted his reply before he had anythng from me to reply to. He could not, in short, have had any reason to be anticipating referring to mulatos before I almost but not quiet referred to them first.
Very next day, the morning I was setting off for the airport my brother who was house sitting texts me on his way to ask if I need the morning paper. I text back, well if you're going to the shop we could do with some kitchen roll...and some tin foil... AND THEN I DELETED THE REFERENCE TO TIN FOIL because it sounded like I was sending him on a full blown shopping trip. When he turns up at the house shortly after with kitchen roll he reports - with no prompting of any kind from me - that for some reason he kept thinking the text message had said tin foil.... A second occurrence in two days of someone seemingly picking up words from my mind. An experience I've not had before or since. But it soon dawned on me both incidents had one thing in common....
In both cases I intended to say the thing, but abandoned sending it. I intended to write mulato...but then didn't. I intended to ask for tin foil..but then didn't. I started the process in writing then cancelled.
Intent seems to be the key. Perhaps specifically unfulfilled intent.
If so, it occurred to me, it presents an almighty problem....by its nature it makes it impossible to manipulate or provoke at will. If I were to start to write to someone then not send it, in order to see if it provoked a telepathic communication, then I clearly by definition did not really intend to send the message at all! You cannot plan unfulfilled intent! The advanced decision to abandon it means you never sincerely intended to send the message n the first place. So I may have finally understood how it happens, but can never intentionally make it happen... This would also account, perhaps, for the huge qualitative difference between "psi" as experienced in real life, and that detected, if at all, in the lab.
These, at least, were my conclusions until yesterday, when I gave it some more thought. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the "failure to send" aspect.
In both real life and experimental examples of the "knowing who was ringing before you picked up the phone" phenomenon, one is presumably detecting the intent of the caller to call, even though they go ahead - no failure to follow through was necessary for "psi" to - apparently - occur.
On closer consideration, of the two elements - intention to send and not going through with it - its reasonable to assume the intention is enough to trigger the "telepathy", and the unfulfilled aspect was merely the cause for the "telepathy" to be noticed. If I had sent my email with the word mulato in it, my correspondent would surely have taken any desire on his own part to employ the word as inspired by my message - even if it had entered his mind by other means simultaneously. It wouldn't be questioned and neither of us would ever be aware anything unusual had just happened..even if it had. If I kept the request for tinfoil then the text my brother received would have read precisely as his brain was telling him it did, and he'd never have been perplexed or drawn my attention to it. He would appear to have received the information by reading alone....even if he was also receiving it by other means at the same time.
And perhaps, just perhaps, that's what does happen, all fo the time...we recieve information by our ordinary senses and by direct mind to mind communication at the same time...only when there is a failure or delay in the first part does the second part become apparent and startle us when we notice.
Pardon the pun but....thoughts?
And how might an experiment be set up to test this?
1) I believe in/accept the existence of "psi", for the simple reason I experience it so frequently and casually - sometimes startlingly but never ever usefully! - that the reality of it is no longer a question for me. I believe minds are not confined to brains, and that's as much as I can conclude about its nature.
2) A couple of times over the years I've attempted brief bouts of experimentation with remote viewing/telepathy - specifically a correspondent at at distance concentrates on an image while I close my eyes and record whatever occurs to me. It has appeared to be succesful more often than not (the visions tend to be symbolic of the thing concentrated on, as they would be in a dream, rather than literal and precise), with one caveat - that it only ever seemed to be successful when I was the receiver rather than the "transmitter".
This last point is one easy explanation for the fact an experiment in recent days to "psychically will" a friend I've not heard from for a long time to phone me didn't work. The other explanation is of course that such a thing is impossible and don't be silly. But it was worth a go.
So that's the background. My question/point stems from a reconsideration of a double incident a couple of months ago which contravened this "I can only receive never transmit" assumption....an incident which might hold clues to how psi, at least n the form of "telepathy" actually works......
**************
Back in March I went on weekend trip with friends to Istanbul. It's my habit prior to a trip to go on local or international social network sites to try and chat with a local or two, or other foreign traveller, to ask advice or whatever. So it was that I swapped a few messages with an exotic mixed race type..half black spanish american ...He said he was "Cayetano". I started to type that for a moment I didn't know if it was a name (it was) or he was describing his ethnicity.. "like Mulato". BUT, suddenly being unsure if it was a racist term or not, I DIDN'T TYPE IT. I rewrote the message leaving that bit out. The word never passed my lips/fingers. So imagine my consternation when in his next message he talked about his next job assignment to Brazil and referred to the local Mulatos....This was startling, its hardly an everyday word, and its reasonable to assume that if psi was present it was passing from me to him, uniquely in my experience, as he would presumably not have pre-scripted his reply before he had anythng from me to reply to. He could not, in short, have had any reason to be anticipating referring to mulatos before I almost but not quiet referred to them first.
Very next day, the morning I was setting off for the airport my brother who was house sitting texts me on his way to ask if I need the morning paper. I text back, well if you're going to the shop we could do with some kitchen roll...and some tin foil... AND THEN I DELETED THE REFERENCE TO TIN FOIL because it sounded like I was sending him on a full blown shopping trip. When he turns up at the house shortly after with kitchen roll he reports - with no prompting of any kind from me - that for some reason he kept thinking the text message had said tin foil.... A second occurrence in two days of someone seemingly picking up words from my mind. An experience I've not had before or since. But it soon dawned on me both incidents had one thing in common....
In both cases I intended to say the thing, but abandoned sending it. I intended to write mulato...but then didn't. I intended to ask for tin foil..but then didn't. I started the process in writing then cancelled.
Intent seems to be the key. Perhaps specifically unfulfilled intent.
If so, it occurred to me, it presents an almighty problem....by its nature it makes it impossible to manipulate or provoke at will. If I were to start to write to someone then not send it, in order to see if it provoked a telepathic communication, then I clearly by definition did not really intend to send the message at all! You cannot plan unfulfilled intent! The advanced decision to abandon it means you never sincerely intended to send the message n the first place. So I may have finally understood how it happens, but can never intentionally make it happen... This would also account, perhaps, for the huge qualitative difference between "psi" as experienced in real life, and that detected, if at all, in the lab.
These, at least, were my conclusions until yesterday, when I gave it some more thought. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the "failure to send" aspect.
In both real life and experimental examples of the "knowing who was ringing before you picked up the phone" phenomenon, one is presumably detecting the intent of the caller to call, even though they go ahead - no failure to follow through was necessary for "psi" to - apparently - occur.
On closer consideration, of the two elements - intention to send and not going through with it - its reasonable to assume the intention is enough to trigger the "telepathy", and the unfulfilled aspect was merely the cause for the "telepathy" to be noticed. If I had sent my email with the word mulato in it, my correspondent would surely have taken any desire on his own part to employ the word as inspired by my message - even if it had entered his mind by other means simultaneously. It wouldn't be questioned and neither of us would ever be aware anything unusual had just happened..even if it had. If I kept the request for tinfoil then the text my brother received would have read precisely as his brain was telling him it did, and he'd never have been perplexed or drawn my attention to it. He would appear to have received the information by reading alone....even if he was also receiving it by other means at the same time.
And perhaps, just perhaps, that's what does happen, all fo the time...we recieve information by our ordinary senses and by direct mind to mind communication at the same time...only when there is a failure or delay in the first part does the second part become apparent and startle us when we notice.
Pardon the pun but....thoughts?
And how might an experiment be set up to test this?