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Telepathy & Kids

In university, I participated in a telepathy experiment run by the Psychology Department. Two people were seated in separate sound-proof rooms. The "sender" tried to send a different image every 10 minutes for an hour (six images total). When my roommate was the sender, I got all but one image correct. Going the other (me sending), my roommate got three of the images correct. There was no communication between the subjects or from the research staff during the test period. The sender simply looked at a clock to see when it was time to "send" a message.

The researcher was making plans to continue his project when he became very ill and had to stop. Soon after, I left for California, and my roommate moved to Ohio.

I also had a very close telepathic link with another person--and the link seemed to be two-way. We finished each other's sentences, picked up the phone to find the other person had just called, knew when the post contained a letter from the other one. He asked me to consider marrying him, but, you know, the intense mental link was really a bit creepy, so I said 'no.' I believe this creepiness is discussed in the movie "The Piano."

I did marry later on, but my husband and I do not do the telepathic thing with each other, and I find this is good.

My current theory is that what we call "mind" isn't contained in our brains (although it is focused in the brain). How large "mind" is would be very interesting to discover.
 
Regarding the issue of similar events happening to identical twins, I think either the statistics are being misinterpreted, or there is something much stranger that telepathy going on (as Androman hinted at).

Dealing with the second option, telepathy wouldn't explain a lot of the events that supposedly happen between separated twins. People don't marry on the basis of their spouse's name, or hair colour, or (usually) profession, yet many accounts have twins doing exactly this, and at exactly the same time. And telepathy wouldn't account for the tales of twins suffering simultaneous and identical injuries, or suffering identical bereavements. All these things suggest it's not just the twins themselves that are being affected, but everything around them.

But then again, instantaneous connections between individual (and completely separate) particles has now been proved in the lab, and seeing as everything is made of particles of some form or another...
 
I told my 4 young kids about the Rhine cards once, on a rainy afternoon, so we made a set and the results were stunning.
It varied from 3 out of 5 for to maximum..5 out of 5. The kids were unimpressed..after all, they were just guessing!
Then I explained it was supposed to be impossible...and immediately the results reverted to chance only.

Hagrid.
 
Telepathy
Mark Pilkington
Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian

At last week's British Association meeting, Professor Robert Morris of Edinburgh University's Koestler parapsychology unit announced that his team's experiments continue to suggest the reality of telepathy.

While Morris avoids the T word, preferring the broader "anomalous cognition", his team's research is merely the tip of a very ancient iceberg. Herodotus recorded the first known telepathy experiment when, in 550BC, King Croesus of Lydia challenged seven famed oracles to tell his messengers exactly what he was doing on a given day. Only the Pythia, the priestess of Apollo at Delphi, answered correctly - Croesus was making lamb and turtle stew in a bronze kettle. The tale may be apocryphal, and Croesus's misinterpretation of the oracle's advice eventually led to his defeat - but as an experiment, parapsychologists admit it wasn't bad.

Modern interest in thought transference arose in late 18th-century France, when it was observed as a side effect of Franz Mesmer's proto-hypnotic work. The term telepathy - meaning distant occurrence or feeling - was coined by Frederic Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, in 1882. Telepathy was a hot topic in fin de siécle salon culture, perplexing great minds from Oscar Wilde to Sigmund Freud.

In the 1920s and 30s, JB Rhine's experiments using Karl Zener's symbol cards captured the public imagination and popularised the notion of extra sensory perception. Rhine's dry statistics - still a hallmark of the science - were supplemented by the conviction expressed in Pulitzer-prize winner Upton Sinclair's book Mental Radio (1930).

Today's experiments tend to use the ganzfeld method, where the subject's senses are blocked with white noise and half ping pong balls over the eyes. A sender then views images and attempts to transmit impressions to the subject.

Ongoing experimentation points to a number of factors that might increase a subject's telepathic hit rate, including a pre-existing belief in psi phenomena, a relaxed demeanour and, perhaps more worryingly, scoring highly on the schizotypal personality disorder test, ie being a little odd.

Morris' appearance at the BA festival is significant, and represents a growing acceptance within the orthodoxy that this ancient enigma deserves further study.
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(Good on yer, Mark!)
 
I am sure someone here has talked about Rupert Sheldrake's work, but I thought I would post it here anyway.

I am not a scientist by any means, but my dearly departed father was, and he sought information that would support and quantify things that I felt needed no explanation. He talked a lot about Rupert Sheldrake's books, and I inherited a couple of them when he passed away in February of this year. Interesting stuff.

Rupert Sheldrake Online
 
Telepathy isn't necessarily a trait like eye color or something. Assuming that it's just tapping into the background energy of the universe, then it could eb a compelte accient our brains are wired such that they can pick up on it accidentally.
 
Does he have a new book to flog perhaps?

Wednesday, June 9, 2004

Some think telepathy is biologically based

Dd you ever happen to think about someone you'd lost touch with and then unexpectedly get a call from that person?

Or have a feeling that someone was about to e-mail you and soon find a message in your in-box?

Call it coincidence, but Dr. Rupert Sheldrake suspects telepathy, according to The New York Times reports. Sheldrake, an author and natural scientist with a Ph.D. in biochemistry, is a proponent of the theory that unexplained abilities like premonition are biologically based.

His site details experiments (http://www.sheldrake.org/experiments) that people can use to investigate phenomena like telepathic phone calls (which he has described as "one of the commonest kinds of psychic experience in the modern world").

His newest experiment is focused on e-mail telepathy, and you can log on with friends and test yourselves.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/176901_tf209.html
 
Recently I was doing an informal telepathic number game with some of my friends - sending and recieving numbers between one and ten. I found that the results with some people were much better than with others. I also found that the results seemingly weren't as good as when we used to do the same thing but as children.
 
So what is the best way to train up your phychic skills such as telepathy, telekinesis ect? There seem to be alot of people about with such abilities, also the science fraternaty are now taking the research seriously.
 
PintQuaff said:
So what is the best way to train up your phychic skills such as telepathy, telekinesis ect? There seem to be alot of people about with such abilities...
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No, there aren't

, also the science fraternaty are now taking the research seriously.
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No, they aren't.
 
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So what is the best way to train up your phychic skills such as telepathy, telekinesis ect? There seem to be alot of people about with such abilities...
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No, there aren't>>

Yes there are. :blah:


Okay, there are a lot of people claiming to have such abilities. Many of them have this ability and don't tell anyone because of such responses as this.

Imagine the first person who saw a tornado, telling his buddies.
WitnessA: "Hey guys, I just saw a huge finger come down from a cloud and wipe away half the forest!"
BuddyB: "No you didn't"
BuddyC: "Now, wait a minute, let's hear what he has to say! It sounds interesting."
WitnessA: "Nevermind, if BuddyB isn't going to believe that I saw something odd, it's not worth the effort trying to convince everyone."
BuddyB: "Yeah, that means you didn't see anything."

There IS something going on, and these events DO happen. They are just so random, that it is not feasible to test it under most laboratory conditions. It happens unexpectactly, and trying to place the mind in a circumstance to expect it would get in the way of the usual process of the events.
. . . although if I could figure out a way. . .
 
Thanks headnspace, there are many american/english university based science stations constantly doing research into psi all you have to do is "read" news papers magazines, watch the discovery channel ect and they inform us of such activities taking place (ie the media). Please not that the above "media" are the same ones that promote the same cynicle veiw such as promoted here by BoyPaj. SO what makes one veiw right and the other wrong i do not know, unless perhaps certain individuals posses some "mistic" (probably the wrong term really) ability to know the truth about whats is wrong and right.

Im not saying for one minuite that i belive every claim that comes to pass, but im also not discrediting them either investigation is whats needed not instant dismissal.

Take the humble bumble bee; for decades it defied the laws of physics, untill they did a proper investigation into and managed to explain it. This was not seen as strange that a creature could hover and fly at good speeds (for a small thing) and defy gravity and there was no explination of it?

Theres enough S&*% going on in the world, lets not lose all that is strange, mysticle, and magicle.

:D :D :D :D :D
 
Re: Personal Experience Can Be Very Convincing

Originally posted by Resologist
When you least expect it, ESP may manifest itself in peculiar ways, without the benefit of a controlled experiment.
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Yes, very odd and statistically weird things DO happen randomly in the wild. That is the nature of random things.

For instance, if someone went into a lab and said they could make a prediction with odds of 14 million to one, that would be an amazing feat. If they could do it on demand, people would really sit up and notice.

But people do this almost every week when they win the lottery. It's not super powers. It's just chance.
 
PintQuaff said:
TSO what makes one veiw right and the other wrong i do not know, unless perhaps certain individuals posses some "mistic" (probably the wrong term really) ability to know the truth about whats is wrong and right.
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If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless.
 
research is published in respected journals , perhaps?

TheBoyPaj said:
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless.
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'Nature', perhaps?

The 'Amazing Randi's' respected journal of choice!

:D
 
Personal Experience Can Be Very Convincing

Altho TheBoyPaj notes that "very odd and statistically weird things do happen randomly in the wild," I'd indicate that neither of my personal experiences should be dismissed as the chance occurrence of random events. I do not telephone people, at random, to find out why they are very distressed, nor do I see, at random, cars failing to stop at intersections, before they have become visible.

I've known many people who purchase lottery tickets and win small prizes, having correctly guessed a few of the numbers selected in a future draw; but, all of them admit that their expectations of winning are a matter of "luck." None, that I know of, have claimed to "know" that a certain set of numbers would be among those selected in the draw.

I expect letters, phone calls, and, now, e-mails, from distant people; I drive defensively, knowing that many drivers may run thru a red light or stop sign; and, I never buy lottery tickets, because I understand my statistical chance of winning.

I can offer no proof of telepathic nor precognitive abilities, but, having had two distinct experiences with these phenomena, I can offer some observations. The telepathic experience was non-verbal and involved none of the ordinary senses. My train of thought was interrupted, quite abruptly by the strong impression that a specific person, whom I was close to, was in distress and needed to talk to me. There were no visual nor auditory impressions, as are reported with crisis apparitions. I had no expectation of any crisis, and I was clearly on the receiving end of this telepathic exchange. The distance between that person and myself was some three thousand miles, but, the impression was as intense and abrupt as if someone had yelled from a step or two behind me to get my attention. In the precognitive experience, I was driving down a hill, with the right-of-way past several intersections with stop signs. Looking ahead, I foresaw a car pass thru an intersection about two blocks away, running past a stop sign. The impression was that of a waking dream, there was no auditory impression; and, there was no impression of a collision occurring, but there was a clear impression that this would happen as I reached that specific intersection at the speed that I was travelling. There were no auditory nor visual clues that any traffic was approaching, when I sensed this vision, but I slowed down immediately. A car ran thru the intersection, as foreseen, at roughly the same time that I would have been in the intersection, if I had not slowed down; this car was not visible until a few seconds before it arrived at that intersection; and, I expect that it would have struck my car, as happened many years later when a taxi ran a stop sign, without any warning or expectations.

Now, I have strong doubts about the likelihood of success in telepathy experiments conducted in laboratory settings between strangers, who try to communicate with visual or auditory messages and without any real clue as to how it is possible to perform such a task. It would appear to be a very selective means of communicating between people, if I could receive a strong impression thousands of miles away, (yet, apparently, not be sensed by anyone else in the intervening space). And, I have a special interest in the "seriality" of time, (as suggest by John William Dunne, in his "An Experiment with Time," and by Paul Kammerer, in his "Das Gesetz der Serie"). I think that, while unlikely random events may be expected to occur by chance or "luck," such as a golfer getting a "hole-in-one," it may also be possible, before the ball is struck, for someone to "foresee" the event beyond their hopeful expectations and coincidence. I've only had the "good fortune" to experience these things and to recognize them for what they were when it happened.
 
TheBoyPaj said:
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless.
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And like wise, just because a scientest who works for the goverment e.c.t. gets work published in a magazine how does that make his work flawless. That kind of mag has small circulation compared to televised media.

(bad example govermental scientist, dodgyist of the lot)

We place so much faith in people,groups, and organisations and belive everything we are told. Well how is it that one year diesl fumes are carsnergenic and the next totaly fine???

So who do we belive in, a faceless stranger, or our own experiences? Put like that its an easy choice...
 
PintQuaff said:
TheBoyPaj said:
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless.
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And like wise, just because a scientest who works for the goverment e.c.t. gets work published in a magazine how does that make his work flawless. That kind of mag has small circulation compared to televised media.
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But articles for academic journals are peer-reviewed. Thus, if I wrote an article about some aspect of Stuart-era history and submitted it to a journal, it would be examined first by at least one other Stuart-era historian to make sure it passed muster: is it a worthwhile contribution to the field, is it valid, etc. A TV producer wants to attract eyeballs to screens; the editors of Past & Present (or Nature, The Lancet, whatever) want to publish valid, cutting-edge research (inasmuch as 17thc. history can be cutting-edge ;) ). These are not the same areas of concern at all; the criteria are completely different. I've watched history programs on TLC, The Discovery Channel etc. and found myself shouting at the screen because they're just repeating ULs or "received wisdom" which does not reflect the historical reality as understood by historians, as opposed to the sometimes ULish nature of popular understanding, and these shows do seem to be getting better, I'll admit. (Still, it drives me crazy to hear things like "they burned witches in Salem and in England -- no they didn't, they were hanged, because it was considered a civil crime, not a canonical one) Yes, those mags have a small circulation, but that is because they are aimed at specialists -- other researchers. The really sexy/media-friendly stories will get picked up the newswires anyway; just check out the Science section of Google News.

I don't mean to sound elitist here; just pointing out that work produced by specialists for the edification of other boffins is no less valid for being less well-known. Not all scientists work [directly] for the government, although most do so indirectly through the way their work is funded...which also brings up the rather delicate question of academic freedom. But I'll leave that for another thread. ;)
 
In my experience telepathy can present itself in many different ways. Sometimes you "see" things, sometimes you "feel" them (more like empathy really), and sometimes you literally hear them (from whispers and blurry sounds to clear and loud voices). I'm really interested on how small children cope or find out about telepathy. Perhaps some of the parents or those who found their abilities during their tender age can share some stories?
For instance, when I was yet not able to read or write I happened to experience telepathy in a very unpleasant manner. At the time I didn't know what it was, and it used to scare the heck out of me!!!! It took me about 4 or 5 years to finally realise what all was about.
 
Telepathy!

Yes it works Hi this is Steve and yes it is very strong in children because thier brains and tissue are very healthy and very clear because thier thoughts are not dirty and do not learn that until they get older and then it becomes cloudy . Everyday though i am an adult there are alot of times i meditate to keep my mind clear i use my telepathy to communicate to ones who have passed to the other side .Sincerely,[email protected] :)
 
here's a little esp / telepathy experiment.


Say the answers to the following out loud and as fast as possible.

9-2=?

8-1=?

2+5=?

3+4=?

6+1=?

4+3=?

Say the answers over and over in your head.

Now think of a vegitable!
 
Are you thinking of a carrot



Quote this post to find out the answer
 
The problem is that people want to be right and do not (often) challenge or analyse their own experiences. If there is any telepathic ability it has not yet manifested in scientific experiment, nor do any of the forces of nature we understand (re: environment and what the brain produces) provide a carrier wave for it. Moreover, where are the neurological substrates to send and receive this info - and how likely is it that brain waves match between peoples and can be decoded?
 
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