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The Dead Sea Scrolls

It is quite well known, Mr Ring. It is supposed to record the hiding
place of the treasures of the Temple. Unfortunately no one has
a clue where to start, though a telly documentary suggested that
the true location was in Egypt! Sawing the brittle scroll into sections
was a precision engineering task carried out here in Manchester.
:)
 
If I remember correctly the first translation suggested that the ammount of gold and silver burried was greater than the total ammount of gold and silver in the whole world at the time the scroll was written.

Or something like that.

Cujo
 
Cujo said:
If I remember correctly the first translation suggested that the ammount of gold and silver burried was greater than the total ammount of gold and silver in the whole world at the time the scroll was written.

Or something like that.

Cujo

Yup seem to remeber some thing like tha myself
 
I know this is really going to anoy people as I can't remember where I first heard this but alledgedly the copper scroll is cursed...
the curse is suposed to affect those that read it in it's entirity.
Probably a urban legend but it would be interesting to know if there really is some form of misfortune commonly associated with it.
 
I can't recall the source right now, but I read one theory that in Aramaic(?) some of the words for spices, which were very valuable, were also used to refer to currency, kind of similar to the way that we use bread/dough to refer to money.

The author also suggested on this basis that the gold in gold, frankinsence and myrr might be a mistranslation for what in fact was another spice.
 
Does anyone have a link to a website that geneally deals with the Dead Sea scrolls, prefrelable without Religious undertones and reterick. Can't seem to find one that doesn't play organ music while your trying to read.
 
James Whitehead said:
though a telly documentary suggested that
the true location was in Egypt

Didn't that same TV prog link the scroll to Akenaten (The Heretic Pharoah) as the founder of the Judeo-Christian concept?

IIRC it was suggested that Moses was the chap that brought the idea of a patriachal montheistic religion from Egypt to the Holy Land.
 
as a bit of a side line, I was chatting to an old aquantance here in manchester who just so happens to work at manchester museum, (the home, if I remember correctly, of the table on which the first atom was split?) anyway, we were talking about what else was held at the museum in the 'vaults' and he told me there were a great amount of unusual oddities, that he couldn't really talk about. he also said he would take me down there for a look (unfortunately the following day, on which I had agreed to pay him a visit there, i awoke very, very late in the day with a bloody big hangover, which meant that instead of adventuring into the unknown, i was wrapped up in bed feeling very ill, and what a total lemon I felt!) anyway, I diverse, during our conversation (yes sit was in a pub, hense the hangover0) he said that they were currently doing some building work and many of the items are in storage in various locations, I asked him, jokingly, whether he was concerned that things might go missing, and he turned sharply and in an aggressive manner said "How did you know things have gone misiing" i explained that I didn't, but after that, he was a bit reticent to talk about the museum, and he left shortly afterwards. I on the other hand met a very beutiful girl and tried enticed her with copious amounts of alcohol, ah yes, that sweet amber nectar, until she left saying i was a drunken slob.
 
DNA to reveal source of Dead Sea Scrolls

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1092712291328

DNA to reveal source of Dead Sea Scrolls
Sarah Katz, THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 17, 2004

Authorities are hoping that DNA testing of animal bones discovered in excavations at the Qumran plateau will reveal the origins of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Archeologists believe the findings will resolve the debate sparked nearly half a century ago with the discovery of the biblical manuscripts in 11 separate caves on the shores of the Dead Sea.

Prof. Oren Gutfield of Hebrew University, who participated in the excavations, is attempting to ascertain the relationship between the scrolls and their place of discovery.

"What we will do now are DNA tests to these bones in order to compare DNA results from these animals with DNA of the Dead Sea Scrolls parchment. A connection was never found between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the site itself, but if a match is found it means that the people who lived in Qumran actually prepared the scrolls from animals at the site itself," Gutfield said.

The seven bone deposits of mules eaten and buried inside cleaning pots and storage jars by the Qumran community in the 1st century BCE will undergo DNA testing this week.

Archeologists will compare the findings of the bones with the DNA of the scrolls conducted over the past five years. Also, the Qumran storage pots resemble those found inside the caves with the scrolls.

According to Gutfield, "If the bone deposits, which are unique to the plateau, match with the scrolls, we will be able to resolve one of the greatest debates of the archeological world today – do the scrolls originate from within the Qumran community or were they transported to the caves from outside before the siege of the Romans in 66 CE?"

There are two schools of thought regarding the origin of the scrolls. Most scholars, led by archeologist Roland de Voux, who directed the excavations at the plateau in the 1950s, claim that the 900 scrolls originate from both within Qumran and also from contributions of individuals joining the community.

A group of dissidents argues that the site must be disconnected from the scrolls. The manuscripts, written by high priests, were only transported to the caves immediately before the Roman siege of Jerusalem. Associate professor of archeology at Bar-Ilan University Hanan Eshel suggests that the majority of the manuscripts, although not all, are sectarian and were written by community members. He suggests that evidence for this thesis is rooted within the text of the scrolls themselves.

"The content of the scrolls prove that they [the dissidents] are wrong. They [the scrolls] describe the rules and workings of the Qumran community. Even more so, they speak out against the Jerusalem establishment and the priests of Jerusalem themselves," Eshel said.

"I can't understand why some people would deny a connection between the scrolls found in the cave and the site [Qumran] itself. In addition to the proximity of the caves to the site, one must go through the site to reach the caves. If a match is found, it will prove the connection once and for all," he said.
 
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/041104/scrolls.shtml
Excavations reinforce Golb’s contention of where Dead Sea scrolls originated
By William Harms
News Office

Discoveries in Israel now reinforce the view of Norman Golb that the Dead Sea Scrolls were not written exclusively or even largely by the Essene sect of antiquity, famous for its abstemious celibacy. Golb, the Ludwig Rosenberger Professor of Jewish History and Civilization in Near Eastern Languages & Civilizations and the College, contends that the scrolls were the product of many hands and represent a broad range of perspectives rather than just the thinking of a tight-knit religious group.

Excavations by archaeologists Itzhak Magen and Yuval Peleg now show that the inhabitants of Khirbet Qumran, the archaeological site close to the caves where the scrolls were found, were evidently not poor ascetics like the Essenes, but actually prosperous. Golb has long contended that the people inhabiting the Khirbet Qumran site in antiquity were not members of an Essenic or any other radical Jewish sect.

The two archaeologists, both seasoned researchers, spent 10 seasons at Qumran conducting the most extensive excavations at the site in the past 50 years. They discovered jewelry, imported glass and expensive stone cosmetic containers, which were apparently part of a trade based on balsam perfume produced from plantations adjacent to the site, and on stone vessels manufactured there.

Their findings add strong new voices to the chorus of archaeologists who, during an international conference at Brown University two years ago, pointedly questioned the original Qumran-Essene theory, Golb said. Haaretz, a daily paper in Israel, has recently characterized Golb’s 1995 book on the scrolls as pivotal in the steady emergence of new ideas on the scrolls’ origin and importance.

Ever since the scrolls were first discovered in 1947, the Qumran-Essene theory—or as Golb has called it, “the myth of Qumran”—has taken on a life of its own and is still strongly defended by many.

A Bedouin youth discovered the first scrolls in one of the caves and, as word leaked out, the find captivated the interest of people around the world. The scrolls include the oldest known copies of biblical texts as well as many other manuscripts, including some containing Essene views.

The first scholars to study the scrolls, when only several were known, believed they were of Essenic origin and had been written at Khirbet Qumran. They based these contentions in large part on the discovery of several inkwells there, and of a cave scroll known as the “Manual of Discipline,” which described how a group similar to the Essenes was expected to conduct their lives. Only later, however, did it become clear that none of the scrolls actually espoused celibacy.

Christian writers have been attracted to the mystique of the Essenes because of the connections they can draw between Essenic anti-materialistic beliefs and the teachings of Christianity, which discourage an interest in worldly wealth. The Essenes also espoused predestination, a belief adopted by Calvinists during the reformation in support of a biblical interpretation that some people are chosen by God for salvation, while others are not. Many Jewish scholars also have supported the Qumran-Essene theory.

As a result, reference works still often refer to the scrolls as being the product of Essenes who lived at Khirbet Qumran.

Golb, a specialist in manuscript studies, began to question this perspective over 30 years ago when he noticed the scrolls contained many different and even contradictory ideas. “Once the scrolls were published in facsimile over a decade ago, I could tell by the handwritings that at least 500 scribes contributed to the writing of the discovered texts,” Golb said.

Furthermore, he said that no legal documents related to Qumran residents or other documents on the day-to-day activity of the people living at the site have been found. This suggests that texts found in the caves came from elsewhere and did not constitute a library of manuscripts produced at Qumran. He pointed particularly to the documentary Copper Scroll discovered in Cave 3, with its detailed descriptions of treasures and scrolls cached in many Judean wilderness hiding-places, as decisive evidence pointing to the various scrolls’ place of origin.

This, as well as the large bulk of evidence that has accumulated now—which, Golb emphasized, the early researchers could not have foreseen—led him to infer that the scrolls were gathered in caves for safekeeping by the Jews of Jerusalem just prior to the Roman siege of 70 A.D.

“As the product of diverse writers representing a broad spectrum of ideas, the scrolls tell us very much indeed about the contemporary culture of the Palestinian Jews at a period marking a crossroads in world history and religious and social thought,” Golb said in the Tuesday, Sept. 21 San Francisco Chronicle.
 
Mo' Deader Scrolls

Biblical Scroll Fragments Found in Israel
By DANIELLE HAAS, Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM - A secretive encounter with a Bedouin in a desert valley led to the discovery of two fragments from a nearly 2,000-year-old parchment scroll — the first such finding in decades, an Israeli archaeologist said Friday.

The finding has given rise to hope that the Judean Desert may yield more treasures, said Professor Chanan Eshel, an archaeologist from Tel Aviv's Bar Ilan University. The two small pieces of brown animal skin, inscribed in Hebrew with verses from the Book of Leviticus, are from "refugee" caves in Nachal Arugot, a canyon near the Dead Sea where Jews hid from the Romans in the second century, Eshel said in an interview with The Associated Press.

The scrolls are being tested by Israel's Antiquities Authority. Recently, several relics bearing inscriptions, including a burial box purported to belong to Jesus' brother James, were revealed as modern forgeries. More than 1,000 ancient texts — known collectively as the Dead Sea Scrolls — were discovered between 1947 and 1956 in 11 caves overlooking the western shores of the Dead Sea. "No scrolls have been found in the Judean Desert" in decades, Eshel said. "The common belief has been that there is nothing left to find there."

Now, he said, scholars may be spurred on to further excavations. Archaeologist and Bible scholar Steven Pfann said he had not seen the fragments. If authenticated, they would "in general not be doing more than confirming the character of the material that we have from the southern part of the Judean wilderness up until today."

But "what's interesting and exciting is that this is a new discovery," Pfann added. "This is the first time we've seen anything from the south since the 1960s." Eshel said he was first shown the fragments last year during a meeting in an abandoned police station near the Dead Sea. A Bedouin said he had been offered $20,000 for the fragments on the black market and wanted an evaluation. The encounter that both excited and dismayed the archaeologist who has worked in the Judean Desert since 1986.

"I was jealous he had found it, not me. I was also very excited. I didn't believe I would see them again," said Eshel, who took photographs of the pieces he feared would soon be smuggled out of the country. But in March 2005, he discovered the Bedouin still had the scroll fragments. Eshel bought them with $3,000 provided by Bar Ilan University and handed them over to the Antiquities Authority, he said.

"Scholars do not buy antiquities. I did it because I could not see it fall apart," Eshel said. The finding constitutes the 15th scroll fragments found in the area from the same period of the Jewish "Bar Kochba" revolt against the Romans, and the first to be discovered with verses from Leviticus, Eshel said.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were written by the Essenes, a monastic sect seen by some as a link between Judaism and early Christianity. The scrolls comprise more than 1,000 ancient texts found a half century ago in the caves above Qumran in the West Bank, one of the most significant discoveries in the Holy Land.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_scroll_found
 
New backing for the old theory that Qumran was a fortress not a monastery from ThothWeb via The Daily Grail

http://www.thothweb.com/article4109.html

When De Vaux came to Chicago for a lecture in 1968, Golb expressed reservations about De Vaux's theory, a bold move for a junior scholar talking to a gray eminence.

"Father De Vaux told me to go to Qumran and I wouldn't have any doubts," Golb recalled. "When I finally could, I looked at it and said to myself: `This wasn't a monastery. It was a fortress.'"

When Golb shared that hunch publicly, the response was large doses of academic vitriol. Reviewing a French translation of his 1995 book, "Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?" a European scholar called it "a castle of cards resting on a chain of unproven assumptions."

Golb is capable of responding in kind. When museums hold traveling exhibitions of the scroll, he dashes off long, feisty memos criticizing them for not including his views. When the Field Museum hosted the scrolls six years ago, a label on one display case referred to the "scriptorium" at Qumran. Two inkwells, Golb shot back, do not a scribes' workshop make.

Site was fortress, article says

Now, comes independent verification of Golb's hunch. As noted in Biblical Archaeology Review, Yitzhak Magen and Yuval Peleg concluded that the site wasn't a monastery and had nothing to do with the Essenes. It began as a fortress--just as Golb said--when the Jews had an independent kingdom. When the Romans afterward took over Palestine, it housed a pottery factory.

"Whosoever severs the link between the site, its Essene community and the scrolls found in the caves, of necessity also undermines all previous ideas about the nature and provenance of the scrolls," Magen and Peleg wrote.

Those words constitute a great vindication, if not total victory, for Golb, noted Robert Eisenman, a professor at California State University at Long Beach. "Magen and Peleg have done professor Golb a great service," said Eisenman.

Eisenman added that he is noncommittal on the larger implications of Golb's views.

Clay pots held the scrolls

The finding that Qumran went from fortress to pottery factory fits in nicely with Golb's scenario. The scrolls were found in large clay pots, which could have been purchased at the factory by whoever left them in the nearby caves, he notes.

Golb observes that the scrolls were hidden about the time that the Romans were suppressing a revolt of their Jewish subjects. According to Golb, the scrolls constituted a religious library carried off from Jerusalem during the fighting for safe keeping.

Even orthodox scrolls scholars have been puzzled by the great variety of the scrolls' texts, some of which express contradictory religious views. That is hard to explain on the theory that they were produced by one sect--which, presumably, would honor its own ideas but not others'.

Golb says that the handwriting of about 500 different scribes can be recognized in the scrolls.

"In fact, at Qumran there is room for at most 20 to 30 people," Magen and Peleg report.

Even Ulrich, the Notre Dame scholar and critic of Golb's, has had to modify the classical theory in light of his criticism. He accepts that Qumran could only house a handful of residents but posits that manuscripts were carried there by generations of recruits to the Essene cause, each bringing sacred texts of previous religious affiliations.

As Golb sees it, even that much movement in the other side's position is a recognition of a point he has been trying to make for decades.

"Christianity didn't come from one little sect, the Essenes," said Golb, a hint of triumph in his voice. "Christianity came out of the tremendous variety of the contemporary Jewish community."
 
I was in Jordan this summer and saw some of the dead sea scrolls which are kept in a museum on the top of the citadel in Amman. I had no idea they were there and chanced upon them after a terrible uphill walk in the midday sun. There were some of the copper cylinder scrolls and some pieces of what looked like cloth or parchment along with some of the cylinders they had been stored in. All of them are written in Hebrew not Aramaic. They are apparently of little interest to Christian scholars as they predate Jesus by quite some time (obviously they are of some interest but much more so to the Jewish community). The only fragment I remember concretely was from the Book of Noah.
I don't remember hearing anywhere that the Vatican has any conrol over the DSS. Probably they would be far more interested in the Nag Hammadi scrolls.
 
Dead Sea Scrolls were work of the Sadducees, claims academic
The Dead Sea Scrolls were the work of the Sadducees, a class of Jewish priests dating back to the time of King Solomon, an academic has claimed.

Last Updated: 9:32AM GMT 18 Mar 2009

For more than six decades scholars have believed the scrolls originated with a different, ascetic Jewish sect called the Essenes.

The Essenes are said to have lived in the 1st Century, in mountains in Palestine, where they recorded religious practices on parchments.

But Rachel Elior, a professor of Jewish philosophy at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, claims the 930 scrolls were written by the Sadducees, a group of Jewish priests living in Jerusalem, and that the Essenes did not exist.

The scrolls were found by a shepherd in a cave at Qumran, on the edge of the Dead Sea, in 1947 and were one of the most important archaeological finds of the century.

Some scholars believe that the Essenes may have had an impact on early Christianity, suggesting that John the Baptist and Jesus may have met them.

But Professor Elior said the scrolls shows recorded practices of priests descended from Zadok, the first high priest in Jerusalem after the conquest of the city by the Israelites hundreds of years earlier.

She claims the Sadducees later took the scrolls to Qumran.

She told the Times: “I believe any serious scholar truly can’t but admit that the law reflected in the scrolls is a Sadducee law. The Essenes are only a literary invention of a Utopian society that lived a most benevolent and chaste life.”

But Hanan Eshel, a professor at Bar-Ilan University in Tel Aviv, told the Haaretz newspaper: “Almost seventy scholars accept the statement that one of the Essenes’ groups lived in Qumran.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... demic.html
 
The Times take on that story -

Scholars in uproar over challenge to Dead Sea Scrolls

James Hider in Jerusalem
For more than 60 years scholars have believed that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the work of an ascetic Jewish sect called the Essenes, who lived in the 1st century in the mountains and recorded their religious observances on parchments.

Now a new theory challenging the broadly accepted history is sending shockwaves through the archaeological community, even leading to the arrest of one prominent scrolls scholar’s son in the United States.

Rachel Elior, a professor of Jewish philosophy at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, claims in a forthcoming study that not only were the 930 scrolls written by Jewish priests living in Jerusalem but that the Essenes as a sect did not exist.

In her new book Memory and Oblivion, Professor Elior says that the scrolls were written by the Sadducees, a class of Jewish priests dating back to the time of King Solomon.

The scrolls were found by a shepherd in a cave at Qumran, on the edge of the Dead Sea, in 1947. One of the most important archaeological finds of the century, their significance was enhanced by the discovery of an untouched version of the Hebrew Bible dating back to 300BC.

Some scholars believe that the obscure sect may have had an impact on early Christianity, positing that John the Baptist or even Jesus may have spent time with them. Professor Elior argues, however, that an analysis of the scrolls shows that the authors were recording the routines and practises of the cohanim, or priests, descended from Zadok, the first high priest in Jerusalem after the conquest of the city by the Israelites hundreds of years before.

She believes they were taken to Qumran some time during the 2nd century BC after the Sadducees turned their backs on the Temple of Jerusalem, which they said had been defiled by the conquest of the Seleucid Greeks, the descendants of one of the generals of Alexander the Great, in 175BC.

“I believe any serious scholar truly can’t but admit that the law reflected in the scrolls is a Sadducee law,” she said, pointing out that there were no corroborating historical records, either in Jewish or early Christian literature, to indicate that a large sect of celibate men lived in the area over a long period of time.

“The Essenes are only a literary invention of a Utopian society that lived a most benevolent and chaste life,” she told The Times.

The confusion arose from scholars using other, later texts as their sources, she said, noting that the Jewish-Roman scholar Josephus mentioned them, but that he was writing hundreds of years later.

The professor also noted that when the texts were unearthed in 1947, the area around Jerusalem was caught up in the war that created the Jewish state, and that early hurried assessment of their origin set scholars on the wrong track for decades. The theory has stirred controversy in academic circles, with established scrolls experts vehemently rejecting the new interpretation.

“Almost seventy scholars accept the statement that one of the Essenes’ groups lived in Qumran, and some say we’re all morons and only they understand,” Hanan Eshel, a professor at Bar-Ilan University in Tel Aviv, told the Haaretz newspaper.

The debate has even led to the arrest of the son of one proponent of the theory that the Essenes did not write the ancient scriptures. Raphael Golb, the son of Norman Golb, a professor at Chicago University, was arrested in New York this month for allegedly creating online aliases and conducting a campaign of harassment against academic opponents of his father’s theories.

Father and son claimed that members of mainstream academia were trying to silence the professor. The younger Mr Golb reportedly accused his father’s critics of being anti-Semites trying to deny the link between the scrolls and established Jewish institutions.

Monastic mystery

— The Essenes are believed to have been a religious sect in Palestine from about the 2nd century BC to the end of the 1st century AD

— The New Testament makes no mention of them, and accounts by Pliny the Elder, Philo of Alexandria and Josephus differ in significant details

— Pliny, in his day, fixed their number at 4,000. They are thought to have moved to the desert in opposition to the powers in Jerusalem and lived in secluded monastic communities

— It is believed that they considered themselves to be a chosen elect and that messianic figures would appear to them and usher in a new age, and that they spent their days engaged in manual work or study of Scripture

— After a year’s probation, converts received emblems but were banned from common meals for two years

— Those who qualified then swore piety to God, justice towards men, hatred of falsehood and faithful observance of the tenets

Source: www.britannica.com

Source
 
But Professor Elior said the scrolls shows recorded practices of priests descended from Zadok, the first high priest in Jerusalem after the conquest of the city by the Israelites hundreds of years earlier.

She claims the Sadducees later took the scrolls to Qumran.

She told the Times: “I believe any serious scholar truly can’t but admit that the law reflected in the scrolls is a Sadducee law. The Essenes are only a literary invention of a Utopian society that lived a most benevolent and chaste life.”
[Emphasis added.]

If the Essenes didn't exist, why did the generally reliable contemporary Jewish historian Josephus (37-ca93CE) make extensive mentions of them in two of his works. I quote from The Jewish War (trans G.A. Williamson, Penguin revised edition 1981), Chapter 7, p133:

"Among the Jews there are three schools of thought, whose adherants are called Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes, respectively. The Essenes profess a severer discipline: they are Jews by birth and are peculiarly attached to each other. They eschew pleasure-seeking as a vice . . . [continues exclusively on the Essenes for 4 pages of text].

The confusion arose from scholars using other, later texts as their sources, she said, noting that the Jewish-Roman scholar Josephus mentioned them, but that he was writing hundreds of years later.

Josephus wasn't writing about circumstances "hundreds of years" before his own time: he was describing, in the present tense, the present-day details of the society and people in which he was born and raised.

Although Josephus wrote primarily for a Graeco-Roman readership, there were plenty of Jews around who could and would have called him out over major fabrication, particularly as many of them would have happy to discredit a man they regarded as a traitor (during the Jewish revolt of 66CE - which he'd unsuccessfully tried to discourage - he was appointed Commander of the Jewish forces in Galilee, but after being captured collaborated with the Romans, probably to shorten the war he knew his people couldn't win). Moreover another Jewish historian Philo of Alexandria (20BCE-50CE) also mentioned the Essenes, as did the Roman scholar Pliny the Elder (23-79CE), who said they lived near the north-western shore of of the Dead Sea, which is where Qumran happens to be.

This is not to say that the Essenes necessarily occupied Qumran, which location Josephus and Philo never mentioned, or that the scrolls found there were necessarily theirs in whole or part, but in the face of the generally accepted evidence, the suggestion that the Essenes themselves didn't exist at all requires rather more justification than Professor Elior seems to have come up with so far.
 
Your the most rich and powerful organization found on this planet. Your influential and regarded with much respect by followers and fellow practitioners.

You are the basis of forgiveness of all mortal sins. You hold the keys in your hand to the pearly gates.

Jesus was real, just like you and I are. Jesus was obviously much more enlightened then any of us have ever been with the exception of fellow enlightened Gurus.

I feel the sea scrolls will never be published, because something tells me that translated properly without any interpretation whatsoever, it would tell people how to obtain true heaven while on earth, that god is everywhere and everything, and that you don't need to follow anyone to live right.

It will also probably say, that there is no hell, that the only hell there is, is the one we create in our mind.
 
Dead Sea Scrolls go live online
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre ... ing27.html
Mon, Sep 26, 2011

Two thousand years after they were written and decades after they were found in desert caves, some of the world-famous Dead Sea Scrolls are available online.

Israel’s national museum and Google are behind the project, which put five scrolls online today. They include the biblical Book of Isaiah.

Google’s technology allows surfers to search the scrolls for specific passages and translate them into English.

The scrolls available online were purchased by Israeli researchers between 1947 and 1967.

Originally found by Bedouin shepherds in the Judean Desert, they are held at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. The scrolls, most of them on parchment, are the oldest copies of the Hebrew Bible and include secular text dating from the third century BC to the first century AD.

Google is also working with Israel to make the first comprehensive and searchable database of the broader collection of scrolls.

The website address is dss.collections.imj.org.il
 
http://news.yahoo.com/mystery-dead-sea-scroll-authors-possibly-solved-122406229.html
Mystery of Dead Sea Scroll Authors Possibly Solved
LiveScience.comBy Owen Jarus | LiveScience.com – 7 hrs ago

The Dead Sea Scrolls may have been written, at least in part, by a sectarian group called the Essenes, according to nearly 200 textiles discovered in caves at Qumran, in the West Bank, where the religious texts had been stored.

Scholars are divided about who authored the Dead Sea Scrolls and how the texts got to Qumran, and so the new finding could help clear up this long-standing mystery.

The research reveals that all the textiles were made of linen, rather than wool, which was the preferred textile used in ancient Israel. Also they lack decoration, some actually being bleached white, even though fabrics from the period often have vivid colours. Altogether, researchers say these finds suggest that the Essenes, an ancient Jewish sect, "penned" some of the scrolls.

Not everyone agrees with this interpretation. An archaeologist who has excavated at Qumran told LiveScience that the linen could have come from people fleeing the Roman army after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and that they are in fact responsible for putting the scrolls into caves.

Iconic scrolls

The Dead Sea Scrolls consist of nearly 900 texts, the first batch of which were discovered by a Bedouin shepherd in 1947. They date from before A.D. 70, and some may go back to as early as the third century B.C. The scrolls contain a wide variety of writings including early copies of the Hebrew Bible, along with hymns, calendars and psalms, among other works. [Gallery of Dead Sea Scrolls]

Nearly 200 textiles were found in the same caves, along with a few examples from Qumran, the archaeological site close to the caves where the scrolls were hidden.

Orit Shamir, curator of organic materials at the Israel Antiquities Authority, and Naama Sukenik, a graduate student at Bar-Ilan University, compared the white-linen textiles found in the11 caves to examples found elsewhere in ancient Israel, publishing their results in the most recent issue of the journal Dead Sea Discoveries.

A breakthrough in studying these remains was made in 2007 when a team of archaeologists was able to ascertain that colorful wool textiles found at a site to the south of Qumran, known as the Christmas Cave, were not related to the inhabitants of the site. This meant that Shamir and Sukenik were able to focus on the 200 textiles found in the Dead Sea Scroll caves and at Qumran itself, knowing that these are the only surviving textiles related to the scrolls.

They discovered that every single one of these textiles was made of linen, even though wool was the most popular fabric at the time in Israel. They also found that most of the textiles would have originally been used as clothing, later being cut apart and re-used for other purposes such as bandages and for packing the scrolls into jars. [Photos of Dead Sea textiles]

Some of the textiles were bleached white and most of them lacked decoration, even though decoration is commonly seen in textiles from other sites in ancient Israel.

According to the researchers the finds suggest that the residents of Qumran dressed simply.

"They wanted to be different than the Roman world," Shamir told LiveScience in a telephone interview. "They were very humble, they didn't want to wear colorful textiles, they wanted to use very simple textiles."

The owners of the clothing likely were not poor, as only one of the textiles had a patch on it."This is very, very, important," Shamir said. "Patching is connected with [the] economic situation of the site."

Shamir pointed out that textiles found at sites where people were under stress, such as at the Cave of Letters, which was used in a revolt against the Romans, were often patched. On the other hand "if the site is in a very good economic situation, if it is a very rich site, the textiles will not be patched," she said. With Qumran, "I think [economically] they were in the middle, but I'm sure they were not poor."

Robert Cargill, a professor at the University of Iowa, has written extensively about Qumran and has developed a virtual model of it. He said that archaeological evidence from the site, including coins and glassware, also suggests the inhabitants were not poor.

"Far from being poor monastics, I think there was wealth at Qumran, at least some form of wealth," Cargill said, arguing that trade was important at the site. "I think they made their own pottery and sold some of it, I think they bred animals and sold them, I think they made honey and sold it."

Who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Scholars are divided about who authored the Dead Sea Scrolls and how the texts got to Qumran. Some argue that the scrolls were written at the site itself while others say they were written in Jerusalem or elsewhere in Israel.

Qumran itself was first excavated by Roland de Vaux in the 1950s. He came to the conclusion that the site was inhabited by a religious sect called the Essenes who wrote the scrolls and stored them in caves. Among the finds he made were water pools, which he believed were used for ritual bathing, and multiple inkwells found in a room that became known as the "scriptorium." Based on his excavations, scholars have estimated the population of the site at as high as 200.

More recent archaeological work, conducted by Yitzhak Magen and Yuval Peleg of the Israel Antiquities Authority, suggests that the site could not have supported more than a few dozen people and had nothing to do with the scrolls themselves. They believe that the scrolls were deposited in the caves by refugees fleeing the Roman army after Jerusalem was conquered in A.D. 70.

Magen and Peleg found that the site came into existence around 100 B.C. as a military outpost used by the Hasmoneans, a Jewish kingdom that flourished in the area. After the Romans took over Judaea in 63 B.C. the site was abandoned and eventually was taken over by civilians who used it for pottery production. They found that the pools de Vaux discovered include a fine layer of potters' clay.

There are other ideas as well. Cargill argues that while Qumran started out as a fort it was later occupied by a sectarian group whose members were deeply concerned with ritual purity. "Whether or not they are the Essenes, that's a different question," he said. This group, much smaller than earlier estimates of 200 people, would have written some of the scrolls, while collecting others, he argues.

Other groups, not part of the Qumran community, may also have been putting scrolls into the caves, Cargill said.

Can clothing solve the mystery?

The new clothing research may help to identify the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Shamir told LiveScience that it is unlikely the scrolls were deposited in the caves by Roman refugees. If that were the case, the more-popular textile in ancient Israel, wool, would have been found in the caves along with other garments.

"If people run away from Jerusalem they would take all sorts of textiles with them, not only linen textiles," she said. "The people who ran away to the Cave of Letters, they took wool textiles with them."

Peleg, the archaeologist who co-led the recent archaeological work at Qumran, told LiveScience he disagrees with that assessment. He said he stands by the idea that there is no connection between Qumran and the scrolls stored in the caves.

"We must remember that almost all the textiles were found in the caves andnot at the site. The main question is the connection between the site and the scrolls," Peleg wrote in an email. "I can find alternative explanations for the fact that scrolls were found with linen."

For instance, linen could have been chosen as scroll wrapping for religious reasons or perhaps priests were responsible for storing the scrolls and they wore linen clothing. "The clothes of the priests were made from linen," Peleg wrote.

In their paper, Shamir and Sukenik say that the clothing found in the Dead Sea Scroll caves is similar to historical descriptions of the clothing of the Essenes, suggesting that they in fact lived at Qumran. They point to an ancient Jewish writer, Flavius Josephus, who wrote that the Essenes "make a point of keeping a dry skin and always being dressed in white." (However, Josephus never said anything about the clothing being made of linen, Peleg points out.)

Josephusalso wrote that the Essenes were very frugal when it came to clothing and shared goods with each other.

"In their dress and deportment they resemble children under rigorous discipline. They do not change their garments or shoes until they are torn to shreds or worn threadbare with age. There is no buying or selling among themselves, but each gives what he has to any in need and receives from him in exchange something useful to himself ..."

(Translation from "Jewish Life and Thought Among Greeks and Romans: Primary Readings," Louis Feldman and Meyer Reinhold, 1996.)

In their paper, Shamir and Sukenikalso point to another ancient writer, Philo of Alexandria, who wrote that the Essenes wore a common style of simple dress.

"And not only is their table in common but their clothes also. For in winter they have a stock of stout coats ready and in summer cheap vests, so that he who wishes may easily take any garment he likes, since what one has is held to belong to all and conversely what all have one has."

(Translation from the "Selected Writing of Philo of Alexandria," edited by Hans Lewy, 1965.)

Cargill said that the clothing is further evidence that there was a Jewish sectarian group living at Qumran.

"You do have evidence of a group that raised its own animals, pressed its own date honey, that appears to have worn distinctive clothes and made its own pottery, and followed its own calendar, at least a calendar different from the temple priesthood," he said. "Those are all signs of a sectarian group."

He also noted the presence of mikveh (ritual baths) at the site and the fact that the residents could make pottery that was ritually pure.

This group appears to have wanted to separate itself from the priests based at the temple in Jerusalem. "There is a congruency within many of the sectarian documents that appears to be consistent with a sectarian group that has separated itself from the temple priesthood in Jerusalem," Cargill said.

According to Cargill's theory, the people of Qumran would have written some of the scrolls, while collecting others. "Obviously they didn't write all of the scrolls," Cargill said. Dating indicates some of the scrolls were written before Qumran even existed. One unusual scroll, made of copper, may have been deposited after Qumran was abandoned in A.D. 70.

Cargill says it's possible that some of the scrolls may have been put in caves from people outside the community. If that's true, some of the textiles could also be from people outside of Qumran.

"[If] not all of the Dead Sea Scrolls are the responsibility of sectarians at Qumran then it would follow that not all of the textiles that are discovered in the caves are [the] product of a sect at Qumran," Cargill said.

Were there women at Qumran?

The new research may alsoshed light on who created the textiles.

The textiles are of high quality and, based on the archaeological finds at Qumran itself, where there is little evidence of spindle whorls or loom weights, the team thinks it's unlikely they would have been made at the site.

"This is very, very important, because this is connected to gender," Shamir said, "spinning is connected with women."

She explained that the textiles were likely created at another site in Israel, with women playing a key role in their production. This suggests that there were few women living at Qumran itself. "Weaving is connected with men and women, but spinning was only a production of women, [and] we don't find this item at Qumran."
 
This reminds me of the great Shakespeare question: who wrote it is always deemed a much more important question than what was written.

The Essenes were in the frame from more or less Day One of the DSS entertainment. Quicker even than OBL on 9/11.

The usefulness of the Essene cult to question some aspects of Christianity had been identified years before. Yet nothing has identified the DSS sites positively with the Essenes and it does not really look as if this fabric-fest will take us any further.

Thanks for posting it but it does seem to leave the question unsolved. :)
 
At Harrods* yesterday I came across a catalogue from 1965, when some of the Scrolls were seen on an exhibition tour. I was in junior school then and can remember the teacher talking about them. They must have been topical at the time.

I was quite fascinated by the story of the Scrolls, which had only been discovered a few years before. Nobody else was interested, not at school or at home, so I had nobody to discuss them with. All I could do was read any articles or chapters in books I could find about them.

So I'm pleased with my purchase - 20p well spent. 8)

*Car boot sale
 
Google is in the process of digitizing the Dead Sea scrolls, and has currently put up five of them, with a dedicated navigation interface, allowing you to scroll (ha!) through them, and zoom in and out.

At the moment, translation is only available for one of them, the Great Isaiah scroll, accessible by hovering over the written text.

Have a gander for yourself at http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute ... croll.html
 
Thank you for sharing interesting topic. Through the years, the Dead Sea Scrolls are among the best-known and most essential old documents discovered in years. The historical documents are mainly located in museums in the Middle East. The largest variety of Dead Sea Scrolls has been stored in the Israel Museum. The museum has experienced criticism about the limited access they supply to the documents. Now, worldwide access to the documents is being offered on the internet. The Israel Museum and Google have partnered to offer the access to these files. Read more on this article: Digitized Dead Sea Scrolls providing worldwide access.
 
A gang that was stealing ancient relics from a desert cave - close to where the famed Dead Sea Scrolls were found - has been arrested, Israeli officials say.

The alleged thieves were caught as they were leaving a site known as the "Cave of Skulls", halfway down a sheer cliff. Their loot included a 2,000-year-old comb, used to remove hair lice.

Robbers have long been targeting archaeological sites in the remote area, which was a hideout for Jewish rebels in the days of the Roman empire.

Items left behind by the rebels - ranging from shoes and tools to texts written on papyrus - have been preserved for centuries in the arid desert air and can fetch large sums on the black market for looted relics. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30366842
 
IIRC there was a documentary on the BBC many years ago that called into question the idea that the occupants of Qumran were Essenes. Schiffman has pointed out that what is known of the rules of the community were laid heavy stress on priesthood and the Zadokite legacy claimed by the Saducees thus distinct from the various Essene groupings. Check Prof. Schiffman's web page here.

There may be an effort on the part of those of the Rabbinic heritage to downplay the activity of the Saducees because if the distaste towards them expressed by foundational rabbinic scholars such as Maimonides.
 
25 New 'Dead Sea Scrolls' Revealed

More than 25 previously unpublished "Dead Sea Scroll" fragments, dating back 2,000 years and holding text from the Hebrew Bible, have been brought to light, their contents detailed in two new books.

The various scroll fragments record parts of the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Samuel, Ruth, Kings, Micah, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Joshua, Judges, Proverbs, Numbers, Psalms, Ezekiel and Jonah. The Qumran caves ― where the Dead Sea Scrolls were first discovered ― had yet to yield any fragments from the Book of Nehemiah; if this newly revealed fragment is authenticated it would be the first. ...

FULL STORY: http://www.livescience.com/56428-25-new-dead-sea-scrolls-revealed.html
 
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