The Pentagon Finally Admits It Investigates UFOs

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Unless they used a textured skin. One idea that's been floated for a while is that of carefully texturing the skin of an object so that as it moves it creates tiny vortices that work much like bearing in reducing resistance. How that would work at 500 MPH is a good question, but it feels like the sort of question DARPA has probably already asked themselves.
One of the reasons for the dappled texture on a golf ball?
 

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One of the reasons for the dappled texture on a golf ball?
that is the same basic principle in action.

With Golfballs people figured out by experimentation THAT it works before figuring out why. Golfballs used to be smoothly round, but people noticed that new balls didn't fly as far as used ones that had dents and scratches. Then someone made balls with dimples and those worked even better.
 
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" I don't believe we can reverse engineer UFO materials."

Agreed. If you believe UFOs to be alien technology, capable of interplanetary travel, they are so far in advance of our knowledge that it would be the equivalent of giving Alexander Graham Bell an iPhone and expecting him to reverse-engineer that!
 

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" I don't believe we can reverse engineer UFO materials."

Agreed. If you believe UFOs to be alien technology, capable of interplanetary travel, they are so far in advance of our knowledge that it would be the equivalent of giving Alexander Graham Bell an iPhone and expecting him to reverse-engineer that!
A lot of people speculate that alien technology uses mechanical engineering principles that are unknown to us. The key reason to want to study their tech is to figure out HOW it works. Even if you can't duplicate it, learning how/why it works might teach you how to make something similar.

Alexander Graham Bell would probably understand the concept of micro-circuitry, but the mechanics of how to make them would probably be outside his comprehension. They don't really require materials he doesn't have, but machinery and tools he doesn't have.

Applying this logic to UFOs... welll… maybe the hulls of UFOs aren't solid metal but an advanced sort of electromechanical propulsion. Kinda like printed circuits or microcircuits, but metal.
 

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Inside the Pentagon's Secret UFO Program

The government can’t keep its story straight about its involvement with UFO research. After a yearlong investigation, we bust open the files, break through the noise, and reveal the definitive, staggering truth.

...after two years of scant details and a myriad of contradictory statements, Popular Mechanics is ripping open the U.S. government’s massive UFO problem. What follows is a deep, unprecedented well of information that’s only been known by a very small select group of insiders—until now.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi.../government-secret-ufo-program-investigation/

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Inside the Pentagon's Secret UFO Program

The government can’t keep its story straight about its involvement with UFO research. After a yearlong investigation, we bust open the files, break through the noise, and reveal the definitive, staggering truth.

...after two years of scant details and a myriad of contradictory statements, Popular Mechanics is ripping open the U.S. government’s massive UFO problem. What follows is a deep, unprecedented well of information that’s only been known by a very small select group of insiders—until now.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi.../government-secret-ufo-program-investigation/

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Thanks.

It is a long read, which basically boils down to:

The US Military and Intelligence Communities investigate UFOs
They believe that there are phenomena which are not currently able to be identified in standard scientific terms.
At this point in time they have not understood too much about them, they might be aliens but they might be "Interdimensional Phenomena".
They believe there is potential to understand them in the future and gain technological advantage from them.
 
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Thanks.

It is a long read, which basically boils down to:

The US Military and Intelligence Communities investigate UFOs
They believe that there are phenomena which are not currently able to be identified in standard scientific terms.
At this point in time they have not understood too much about them, they might be aliens but they might be "Interdimensional Phenomena".
They believe there is potential to understand them in the future and gain technological advantage from them.
It can be further boiled down to:

The govt investigates sightings because they want to know what people are seeing. If it's extraterrestrial they want to learn more about it.
 
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And as pointed out in that article. Luis Elizondo resigned in 2017 to join the (for-profit) TTSA (To The Stars Academy). So any investigation being carried out by the US govt is no longer being carried out by him.
Good job, too, since he has been entirely unable to interpret the FLIR, GOFAST and GIMBAL video clips, whereas Mick West (also mentioned in the article) has done a much better job as a private individual.
 

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What about the recent articles in Popular Mecahnics about Elizondo not working in the capacity he claims....at AATIP?
Is he lying?
In the long article above the relevant summary on that question appears to be:

"Finally, while the Pentagon has denied AATIP’s existence after 2012 and that Elizondo was never involved in looking into UFOs, Popular Mechanics has obtained documentation that seems to unambiguously show AATIP was active after the closing of the BAASS AAWSAP contract, Elizondo was running this extension of AATIP, and the efforts to examine UFOs are still currently underway.
Though the documents were unclassified, they contained sensitive information, and the person sharing them did so only under the guarantee that Popular Mechanics would not make them publicly available. The person said they only were willing to share the materials to support Elizondo’s claims, which they say have been unfairly challenged over the last two years. "
 

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Well its saying there's been various claims that he wasn't involved or in charge or even if he was it had nothing to do with UFOs. Popular Mechanics is saying they have documentation showing each of those statements to be untrue, and that said documents were supplied by an involved individual precisely because they believed Elizondo to have been falsely maligned by such claims.
 
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Whatever the case, Elizondo did resign, mostly because no-one in the top level of government is interested. And probably they are right. The UFO problem is one of perception, interpretation and the shortcomings of sensor equipment, and has nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
 
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Whatever the case, Elizondo did resign, mostly because no-one in the top level of government is interested. And probably they are right. The UFO problem is one of perception, interpretation and the shortcomings of sensor equipment, and has nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Yeah Bluebook is old news, and proof that the govt has cared about UFOs for a long time. It's just that their study has … well we don't really know actually. I don't think they ever made any of their conclusions based on Bluebook public.
 

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My best personal guess to the reality of all this based on the limited things i see and read about the subject is that there are - appear to be - indisputably objects, in many case structured craft, seemingly intelligently guided, darting about the skies doing "impossible" things at "impossible" speeds. That its not reasonable to assume they're novel and secret scientific breakthroughs by some government or military for the simple reason that they've been doing these impossible things for at least 75 years. But that same apparent permanence is reason to assume there is no "they" invading or getting ready to announce themselves. Equally that there is unlikely to be a governmental conspiracy to hush it up because it would have to involve every government and type of government on earth colluding on this one thing while otherwise warring on each other. There may be the embarrassment and fear of not knowing, or looking gullible or foolish, or scaring people by admitting its real and we just don't know who or what they are. But shadowy transglobal organisations in secret cabals plotting to keep the human race ignorant makes little sense. I don't think there's likely to be any world changing revelations in the next 75 years any more than in the last.

The impression of intelligence other than "us" behind the objects in question inevitably fuels the imagination. But the assumption that any "other" behind it must be something like us travelling from another planet seems largely to be a product of 20th century popular culture rather than any thing evidence based. It probably sounds the most logical and least fantastical explanation. But if one sticks to the apparent facts alone all you can really conclude is there is something largely unseen which actually in some way shares this world with us, rather than necessarily coming from another physical world out there.

One mysterious element which bothers me though, given the concentration of navy and airforce pilots encountering them, is why aren't they widely witnessed by all the people on board passenger planes? There are doubtless some such incidents but I'd imagine commercial flights transporting people on holiday vastly outnumber military craft in the sky...why aren't there far more cases of people flying home from Tenerife all taking photos from their window seats?
 
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A lot of sightings do take place from commercial airliners, including some from the wave in '47 from Boise to Portland (Project1947), and some in those old articles. VERY interesting they cluster around the military, eh? :) Aliens from another planet is the least strange possibility. I think they've been here for a long time and came from somewhere else.
 

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Commercial aviation is along highly predictable routes, basically highways in the air. Any ufo that wanted to avoid commercial airspace could do so. Additionally, anyone looking out the window of a commercial plane and seeing something is likely to think it is another commercial plane.

For military pilots, anything else in the area is a potential threat that needs to be identified, especially since the airspace they use is restricted and no other objects are expected. For example in the "Nimitz encounters", the military sent out a warning to private aviators ahead of time to keep out of that airspace (such warnings are routine operation).
 
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My best personal guess to the reality of all this based on the limited things i see and read about the subject is that there are - appear to be - indisputably objects, in many case structured craft, seemingly intelligently guided, darting about the skies doing "impossible" things at "impossible" speeds.
I am surprised that you have come to that conclusion. Have you read Mick West's excellent analyses of the Nimitz, Gofast and Gimbal clips?
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ar...n-the-low-information-zone.10921/#post-234196
Flir1 (also called Nimitz, or TicTac) is a fuzzy blob in the distance. It does not move (although it jumps around when the camera changes zoom settings or does a gimbal lock correction). There's what looks like a final "zipping away at high speed" at the end of the video, but it's actually just the camera no-longer tracking the object, combined with a change in zoom that gives the illusion of speed. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage-flir1.t9190/

Gimbal is a saucer-shaped infrared glare. It rotates because the camera is rotating to counter gimbal lock. We can prove this because there are other light patterns in the sky that rotate at the same time the glare rotates. The video is consistent with a jet engine several miles away. it does not have any sudden acceleration. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333/

Go Fast is what looks like a cool object moving rapidly across the surface of the ocean. However, the angles and range on the screen allow us to triangulate the position and speed of the object. It turns out it's actually moving quite slowly (under 50 knots) and is quite high (13,000 feet). It does not accelerate at all. In fact, it most closely resembles a balloon, or possibly even a large gliding bird. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-footage-from-tom-delonges-to-the-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/
The fact of the matter is, many sightings nowadays can be explained using tools that were not available in the old days, such as the FlightRadar website which can discover which airplanes are in the vicinity of a sighting. Other sightings, like these ones made by Navy pilots, can be explained by analysing the data in the film and onscreen. And every time this is done, a reasonable explanation can be found.
 

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I am surprised that you have come to that conclusion. Have you read Mick West's excellent analyses of the Nimitz, Gofast and Gimbal clips?
Don't be surprised. I make no claim to be immersed in the subject. So no ive not read the article in question, though the fact its from a website dedicated to the act of "debunking" would suggest it has as much an ax to grind as one trying to sell us the idea of government cover ups and hybrid babies. Which is to say i suspect its starting with a view of the world and working its way backwards. The problem to me, as with most fortean phenomena, is that any source is always going to provide you with the evidence (which you take on faith to be accurately reported by those presenting it) that conforms to their argument and ignore anything that counters it. Its why there are 900 books and documentaries identifying a different Jack the Ripper and every one of them is utterly convincing...

So when it comes to the stuff i have no personal experience of I can only view in its broad terms and patterns. In this case that the experience of encountering impossible seeming craft in the sky is a thing that happens both frequently and widely in the world. The experience itself is a thing. I can concieve no explanation of incident A, B or C that would expunge the entire alphabet.
 

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Face it, there are no aliens in our skies.
Atmospheric phenomenon? I don't think so. There are plenty of close-enough observations that show these objects appear to be a technology of some sort, and importantly under very intelligent control; their characteristics and tactics can be seen through all of the reports over the denturies. The only kind of cases you can try and pull an atmospheric phenomenon over, are the distant sightings, blurry photos, etc. If you've been reading the news recently, I'm perfectly certain that you, eventually, will have to face the fact that we are under observation by another intelligence with superior and very strange technologies.
Recently it was shown that the Pentagon is STILL studying UFOs, and is lying about it. It has already been suggested to be ET, in past studies by scientists, here in the US, and other places too. It never went away.
 

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Scientists are just people; they can have biases too. All of this resistance until the bitter end by some, simply shews how resistant paradigms are to change.. It tells us a lot about ourselves. Shostak has already apologized, he should apologize for all scientists who are close-minded, too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions
 
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