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The Vela Supernova Event

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Some people argue that the whole flood / Atlantis et al mythos can be attributed to a star going supernova in the constellation of Vela.

About 1,500 years after this explosion, remnants of the supernova, let's call it Phaeton, came tear-assing through our solar system. During it's trail blazing odyssey it pulled two moons from their exisiting orbits, destroyed a planet between Jupiter and Mars - known as "Tiamat" to some ancients, and finally whizzed past us and into the Sun.

During it's whizzing, our green and pleasant land got the proverbial bum's rush, with your commensurate lightning storms, polar shifts, super volcanism and whatnot. This in fact has led to many geological anomalies being discovered here on Terra, and can also explain the asteroid belt and the eccentric orbit of Pluto yada yada yada

Seems to me to be the perfect mixture of damned data, just right for orthodox science to dismissively cock a snoot at.

Anyone else thought about this scenario? Got any pro's / con's??
 
I apologize, because I'm going totally:
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I always heard the 'VELA incident' used in reference to the event in 1979 where a satellite caught a flash from what was suspected to be a South African A-bomb test.
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This 'Vela' constellation? I've never heard of it. Do you mean the star Vega?
 
eljubbo said:
uh, no. I mean the constellation Vela

Philo T, yeah i had to go through the satellite bumpf as well. The "other" Vela is around and about tho':)
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Thanks for that eljubbo. That's why I'd never seen or heard of it, it's a southern constellation.
 
http://www.kmatthews.org.uk/cult_archaeology/zecharia_sitchin2.html

...Get's the Anunnaki in on the act - hooray!

http://www.fourwinds10.com/phb/origin.htm
http://www.earthchangestv.com/Science_Spirit/August2000/0904petrinovich.htm

...start to make things rather complicated

http://user.tninet.se/~aoa478u/start/planet12.html

...is a little simpler but introduces all kinds of planet X/nemesis shennanigans.

http://xfacts.com/sumerian_culture.html

...X "Facts" provides us with the technological, documentary, and genetic "evidence" of the Anunnaki's role in human development.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm

...Poops on the whole planet X party... Aww...

http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/tiamat.html

...brings up the problem of Pterodons flying being impossible, and introduces us to the equal impossibilty of galloping mammoths... And kinda loses it, then regains it, then denies everythin, then loses me completely...
 
Thursday apparently... oh wait - no... looks like it'll probably be 2012 now... :blah:
 
Jack - Thanks for the myriad links! I've looked at a few (the Annunaki ones so far), will keep on trawling

Ebur45 - That's really interesting. The light has reached us, and therefore i guess so have all the radio waves etc, but the "shock wave" is what exactly? I mean what is it made out of.

If the star went supernova, lets say, 11000 years ago, and the light took one and a half millenia to reach us, could the *stellar matter* not have arrived at about the same time?

*by Stellar Matter I mean the physical stuff a supernova gives out*
 
eljubbo:
By conventional thinking:
The light, travelling at lightspeed, would arrive first, along with any EM (radio) waves.
Any shockwave (density waves carried via matter) would neccessarily travel at very much slower than the light.

Remember, any omnidirectional field obeys the inverse square law, where the energy density is proportional to the distance from the source. So, being many lightyears away, 1/X^2 is very very very very small.

all you PX haters ::D
Obviously we can't see planet X, even though it's nearly right on top of us, it's vibrating at the fourth density. Only us highly evolved types can see it!
 
Philo - Thanks for the reply, think i've got it. Never believed the Planet X bumpf tho', just got in the way of my Vela-Supernova-as-catalyst-for-great-flood theory - grud dammit!:)

Seeing as you're the kiddy when it comes to science,this website says that all energy released by a supernova is 10^54 ergs, give or take a few zeroes. Taking a stab at the fact that Vela is 1500 light years distant, can you tell me how much cosmic juice vela is going to put our way?
 
By my back-of-an-envelope, 10^54 ergs at 1500 light years would give about as much energy as 10,000 seconds of sunlight (about three hours).
So if the supernova lasted several days, it would be about 1% as bright as the sun - pretty impressive, maybe visible in daytime.

However, this assumes that all the energy was emitted as EM radiation and that none was absorbed in the intervening distance. Also that the supernova was as big as that.

Now, when does this Planet X thing hit?
 
Philo T said:
eljubbo:
By conventional thinking:
The light, travelling at lightspeed, would arrive first, along with any EM (radio) waves.
Any shockwave (density waves carried via matter) would neccessarily travel at very much slower than the light.

Remember, any omnidirectional field obeys the inverse square law, where the energy density is proportional to the distance from the source. So, being many lightyears away, 1/X^2 is very very very very small.

all you PX haters ::D
Obviously we can't see planet X, even though it's nearly right on top of us, it's vibrating at the fourth density. Only us highly evolved types can see it!
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Um, how do shock waves travel through space when there's no matter? :confused:
 
siriuss:
Good point.

Close in (hmmm, what would be the limiting distance on something the mass of a star?) you would have what is normally expected for a shockwave. Obviously, after a certain distance, is would dissipate into random fast moving (?) particles. Still way slower than the speed of light.

If the star was in a nebula, it seems that the shockwave would propagate further out before dispersing.
 
That's right- really the picture
http://www.seds.org/billa/twn/vela.html
I posted before is the expanding shell of material expelled by the supernova-
this supernova by the way was 6000 light years away, and the light from it reached us 10,000 years ago- so what you see there is the expanding shell after 10,000 years of expansion- I bet it is no more than ten- twenty light years across, and will take millions of years to get here.
By which time it will be no more than a few wandering atoms.

Most of the energy was expelled as light- probably as gamma rays- and any nearby nebulas will have been compressed by the light pressure, possibly causing star formation- this 'shock wave' would have travelled at the speed of light, and passed us harmlessly ten thousand years ago.
So there is no way that the Vela supernova can affect us now, either by light pressure or by the passage of the expanding shell.
 
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