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Thursday Recap ast to coast 2 june 2005 david Icke said...

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Illusion & the Illuminati
Controversial author/speaker David Icke returned to share his insights on how the world works and what defines reality. What you get in the mainstream media, he said, is just a tiny fraction of what is really going on. And that is symbolic of what we see through our own eyes, he continued. We are caught in the illusion of identifying with our body, "a biological computer," and just see its software rather than the reality of who we are—which is the infinite. The chatter of our thoughts is the program defending itself from infinite consciousness, Icke stated.

Such a mode of existence leaves humanity open for manipulation, he expressed. The Illuminati, "a network of interbreeding families," at the top of secret society pyramids, have access to advanced knowledge and seek to enforce their agendas on the population that is caught in illusion, said Icke. Further, he noted that some of these Illuminati are shape-shifting Reptilians that inhabit a dimension beyond our 5-sense reality. Yet, Credo Mutwa, the African shaman, has told Icke that he believes the Reptilians hail from our planet and are not as such extraterrestrial. Their bloodline extends back to Babylon (Iraq) and then moved to the Roman Empire, followed by Northern Europe, and eventually to America, Icke recounted.

The allegiance of the Illuminati/Reptilians is not to a specific country, but rather to their agenda, which is plotted decades ahead, he said. Icke suggested that George W. Bush is a front man, and being used to destroy America from within, in order to make way for a One World government.
SOURCE : http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/200 ... html#recap
 
Who knows what we would have done to save ourselves from the shape shiifting reptilians had Mr Icke not had to end his goalkeeping career at Coventry due to arthritis.

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Re: Thursday Recap ast to coast 2 june 2005 david Icke said.

Their bloodline extends back to Babylon (Iraq) and then moved to the Roman Empire, followed by Northern Europe, and eventually to America, Icke recounted.

Note how completely Eurocentric this 'idea' is. Can one assume the Far East was spared such a nefarious infiltration? Apparently the nasty repltilians only bothered to steer Western culture, as if that's the only one that matters :roll: Not only is this sort of stuff daft, it's also the usual conspiracy-theorist mix of blinkered thinking (in terms of history) and misanthropy (that we're all being duped and that we're basically dumb animals).


Silly bugger.
 
"In the vicinity of the village of Ocucaje and Ica, in Peru, a collection of rounded stones . . . has been amassed by Dr. Javier Cabrera....The people are shown hunting or struggling with a variety of monsters that resemble BRONTOSAURS, TRICERATOPS, STEGOSAURS, AND PTERODACTYLS . . . human beings are portrayed as having domesticated animals that appear to be DINOSAURS and are using them for transportation and warfare. People are shown using telescopes, looking at the stars, and performing surgery" (Charles Berlitz, Atlantis, the Eighth Continent, 1984, pp.193-194).*

The Ica stones are a collection of stones allegedly discovered in a cave near Ica, Peru. The andesite stones have had their oxidized surfaces engraved with depictions that call into question just about everything science has taught us about the origin of our planet, ourselves, and other species. For example, some of the stones depict men (who look like ancient Incas or Aztecs) attacking huge stylized monsters with axes. The monsters are said to be dinosaurs. (One film production company goes so far as to claim that the monsters on the stones are "realistic depictions of Stegosaurus, Tyrannosaurus Rex and Pterodactyls.")

The cave where the stones were allegedly discovered has never been identified, much less examined by scientists. Skeptics consider the stones to be a pathetic hoax, created for a gullible tourist trade. Nevertheless, three groups in particular have endeavored to support the authenticity of the stones: (a) those who believe that extraterrestrials are an intimate part of Earth's "real" history; (b) fundamentalist Creationists who drool at the thought of any possible error made by anthropologists, archaeologists, evolutionary biologists, etc.; and (c) the mytho-historians who claim that ancient myths are accurate historical records to be understood literally.

The Ica stone craze began in 1996 with Dr. Javier Cabrera Darquea, a Peruvian physician who allegedly abandoned a career in medicine in Lima to open up the Museo de Piedras Grabadas (Engraved Stones Museum) in Ica. There he displays his collection of several thousand stones. Dr. Cabrera claims that a farmer found the stones in a cave. The farmer was arrested for selling the stones to tourists. He told the police that he didn't really find them in a cave, but that he made them himself. Other modern Ica artists, however, continue to carve stones and sell forgeries of the farmer's forgeries. In 1975, Basilio Uchuya and Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana claimed that they sold Cabrera stones they'd graved themselves and that they'd chosen their subject matter by copying from "comic books, school books, and magazines" (Polidoro 2002).

Dr. Cabrera's museum is listed as a tourist site by the Peruvian National Chamber of Tourism, though the authenticity of the stones is left open. According to the Chamber of Tourism, the museum has an

exhibition of engraved stones depicting -supposedly - thousand of years of human activities. Based upon the found pieces, collection owner doctor Javier Cabrera, holds a theory according to which Ica was the seat of the first Peruvian culture.*

Dr. Cabrera's authority in the matter of the stones seems to have originated from his declaration that a particular stone (shown above) depicts an extinct fish. The depiction is stylized, as are most of the drawings of ancient Peruvian cultures. It must be admitted that knowledge of extinct fish is rare among physicians, even those who have studied biology. Those who are impressed with this knowledge of extinct fish don't seem to be interested in exactly what fish this is supposed to be, when it became extinct, or what the telltale marks are that allow for this identification.

It is argued by the Extraterrestrialites and the Creationists that this depiction of an extinct fish proves either that the Indians who made these stones were given information by aliens about extinct fish (for they could not possibly have found any fossils and copied the fossils) or that the timeline that places extinctions of animals like this fish millions of years in the past are clearly wrong. The Indians lived within the past millennium or two, and so the extinctions must be recent.

It is argued by the Myth-Is-Historyites that since the stones depict men attacking monsters, monsters must really have existed and men must really have attacked them. Thus, either humans existed during the Jurassic period or dinosaurs existed until very recently. It is argued by all of the above that this means that evolutionists are wrong. Furthermore, the fact that they won't admit that they are wrong proves that there is a conspiracy among scientists to keep the truth from the public in order to dupe us into believing things that are inconsistent with both the notion that God created all species a few thousand years ago and that we are all descendents of aliens. (Note: these are the same scientists who have kept the truth from us about the reality of the monsters depicted in stories, on vases, and on temples in ancient Greece, India, etc. They have also kept from us the truth about the ancient Egyptians building pyramids as radio towers. There are many other things these wicked scientists have hidden from us, such as that in 75,000,000 B.C. Xenu ordered a nuclear attack on our planet.)

Cabrera has his own theory about the creators of the stones. His theory is based upon the premise that the stones are not a hoax. This is understandable, since, if the stones are a hoax, Cabrera is one of the key hoaxers. Cabrera's theory is that the stones depict the first Peruvian culture as an extremely advanced technological civilization. How advanced? The stones allegedly depict open-heart surgery, brain transplants, telescopes, flying machines, etc. When did they exist? They came from the Pleiades about one million years ago. How does he know this? That is anybody's guess, but you can read about it in Cabrera's book The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica.

Why don't scientists simply date the stones and settle the matter? Stones without organic material trapped in them can only be dated by dating the organic material in the strata in which they are found. Since Cabrera's stones come from some mystery cave which has never been identified, much less excavated, there is no way to date them.

That no one has ever found any other remnant of this great culture should be troublesome, however. Such a great society might have left at least some garbage or some ruins, maybe even a bone or two, a grave here or there, or a temple, a hospital, an observatory, an airport. But this great civilization, unlike every other great civilization of the past (except Atlantis, of course!) has vanished without a trace, except for Cabrera's stones. Of course, there are the Nazca lines. Unfortunately, the creators of the Nazca figures didn't depict any Indians attacking dinosaurs or doing brain transplants, something which might have tied the Ica stones to the Nazca lines in this exciting new field of "alternative science".

There is, of course, an explanation for the cleanliness of this great people. They were able to exist long enough to hunt dinosaurs and build spacecraft (when they were not doing brain transplants) and yet leave nothing behind but a cave full of artistic scratches on stones because they were not from this planet. They left (and presumably took everything with them), leaving behind only the stones as a kind of puzzle for later generations of stupid humans to solve. Maybe they went on to Nazca or to Lubaantun to create more puzzles. Maybe these aliens are giving us an I.Q. test. Or the stones may be another test of faith given to mankind by the God of the Bible. Or maybe they're just a hoax.

The proof that the stones are not a hoax, says Dr. Cabrera, is in their number. There are too many stones for a single farmer, or even a collective of hoaxers, to have scratched out. He claims that the locals have unearthed about 50,000 stones and that they showed him a "tunnel" where there are another 100,000. However, so far no scientific expedition, or even a film crew led by Charleton Heston of the mysterious "Mysterious Origins of Man" spectacle, has set out to explore this tunnel.

Furthermore, says Cabrera, who apparently fancies himself an expert on volcanic stone as well as on extinct fish, andesite is too hard to carve well by mere mortals using stone tools. True, but the stones aren't carved. They are graved, i.e., a surface layer of oxidation has been scratched away. Dr. Cabrera assumes that the creators of the stones only had stone tools available to them. The Inca, Maya and Aztec cultures all had advanced metallurgy by the time the Spanish arrived. Cabrera and the Ica locals certainly have more than stone tools available to them. Basilio explained how he and Irma achieved the "ancient" look on their stones: They laid out the graved stones in a chicken pen and the "chickens did the rest" (Polidoro 2002).

Are the stones authentic? If by authentic one means that they were engraved by pre-Columbians, then the answer has to be an unqualified "not all of them." Some engraved stones are said to have been brought back to Spain in the 16th century. It is possible that some of the stones are truly examples of pre-Columbian art. However, it is known that some such stones are forgeries. Tourists, not just in Peru, but everywhere on earth where there are antiquities, have been suckers for forgeries. Local con artisans are aware of the market for "forbidden" antiquities. (I myself am the proud owner of a shard sold to me in Arizona by a young Native American as an authentic "illegal" piece of Anasazi pottery. A colleague has some nice forgeries from Egypt made to look old by dipping them in motor oil and torching them.) Pre-Columbians certainly were fascinated with monsters, as were ancient European cultures, but do the stones depict dinosaurs? That is open to interpretation. If they do depict dinosaurs and humans together what is more likely? that they are accurate historical documents or that they are part of a clever hoax? In light of the lack of corroborating evidence, a reasonable person must conclude that the stones are a hoax.

Cabrera's story does not have the ring of verisimilitude about it, though it does have a certain charm. The story certainly has found several ready audiences who have found a niche in their own belief systems for the stones. Never mind that the belief systems not only contradict one another, but are also contrary to the preponderance of the scientific evidence. Creationists, mythohistorians, and extraterrestrialists are in a jihad against belief in evolution where apparently it is one's duty to make the preposterous seem plausible.
 
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