U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure(s)

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The central questions are.... how did Gribble know about this incident straight afterwards and where did he obtain a direct phone number for the pilot?
I take it Gribble is the interviewer on the recorded phone conversation - is that right? If so ...

It sounds to me as if the person initiating the call was the pilot / witness, not Gribble. At the very start of the recording, it's the pilot / witness who asks about the nature of the person / organization (interviewer; affiliation) and whether it's the proper place for his inquiry, as if he (the pilot) is the one making the call and the interviewer is the one receiving it.
 

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Out of sheer panic, in case it might be 'real', I highlighted this find here, soon as possible, in search of a reasoned doubt.
I am trying to clarify the background and have just - few minutes ago! - came across this:
http://www.noufors.com/research_recordings_of_Robert_Gribble_s_national_ufo_reporting_center.html
Something in the listing on the linked webpage reminded me of another anomaly in this story. The webpage (following the recording, which I double-checked) states the caller / pilot / witness was flying a "Phantom F-4-11" ("F-Four-Eleven").

"Phantom" is the official name of the F-4 fighter / bomber. There were many variants of the Phantom aircraft produced.

No formal label / title for any of these variants ever had the form "F-4-(number)." There's no such thing as an F-4-11.

I can think of two possible slip-ups (by the caller / pilot) that might explain the spurious "eleven."

One possibility was that the caller / witness wanted to mask the fact he'd actually been piloting an F-111- the swing-winged fighter-bomber (informally named the "Aardvark"), which was: contemporary as of 1977; supersonic-capable; widely used for electronic warfare / recon missions; and capable of a ferry range of slightly more than 3000nm (i.e., almost enough to make it from Tokyo to Hawaii with no more than a modest aerial refueling "top-off").

The problem with this hypothesis is that the caller / witness definitely says "Phantom F4" before saying "Eleven." If he meant to hide a connection with an F-111 by fibbing that he'd been flying an F-4 he seriously screwed up.

The second possibility involves the formal designation of the F-4. When the F-4 Phantom was accepted for production in the 1960s it was already dubbed "Phantom." However, an earlier aircraft had already been designated "Phantom", and designation / naming protocols forbade using the same official name for two different aircraft. To resolve this the (then-) new F-4 warplane was re-designated "Phantom II" to keep the nomenclature straight. Under this interpretation the caller / witness read or remembered "Phantom II" ("F-4 Phantom Two") and misquoted it as "Phantom F4 11" ("Phantom F-4 Eleven").

I have a hard time believing an experienced military pilot would screw this up.
 
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Canada routinely says they are not in the UFO business, and don’t inform the Canadian Defense Department of any sightings.

But Parliament Larry Maguire from Manitoba inquired into the UFO Canadian situation and a response from U.S. spokesperson, Susan Gough, said that the U.S. and Canada has had a substantial UFO meeting between the two countries with details classified.

This story was reported by CTV News Channel Canada.
 

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Thank you for the insightful reply.

Still working on this critical question, you have highlighted.
Renowned UFO historian, Jan Aldrich, has been speaking about this case on the Facebook 'UFO Research List', I somehow manage to administer and now over 2,000 subscribers, since its inception in April.

The Forteana crossover is so fascinating and now, personally, meaningful to myself.

That's because I have hopefully become increasingly more understanding - gratis to everyone here - of the inherent Fortean nature, as regards life, the universe and how the hell are 'Birds Eye' cod fish fingers now that price.

The Facebook endeavour was always intended to be an offshoot from discussions here and encompass subscribers who would not generally participate on this forum.

Consequently... some further, online, case material, with a delightful twist, at the outset.

https://robert-barrow.blogspot.com/2011/08/it-defied-all-laws-of-aerodynamics.html?m=1
 
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The mandated annual Pentagon UFO report part of the Defense Bill was to be released unclassified for the public and classified for the Congress which had a deadline of Halloween October 31st but never happened.

Some assume this shows the infighting between the more “ talkative “ Navy and the “ keep quiet “ Air Force.

Rumors swirled that the Pentagon wanted to blame China for the UFO problem to keep the public from knowing the truth.

When Louis Elizondo was popular in UFO TV programs, he too a few years ago also claimed different groups in the Pentagon fighting about release of UFO information.

Obviously, the shadow people in the Pentagon won out.
 

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I have a hard time believing an experienced military pilot would screw this up.
It does indeed seem we have a problem, regarding the authenticity of this report.

There is a separate upload of the recording on YouTube and resultant comments include:

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DISCLOSURE IN THE USA

Is that still 'live', or stymied by conclusions of the recent government open hearings, that there is no existing, material evidence of any extraterrestrial contact and perhaps now NASA should take a look at it... just in case?

Which is which...
 

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DISCLOSURE IN THE USA
Is that still 'live', or stymied by conclusions of the recent government open hearings, that there is no existing, material evidence of any extraterrestrial contact and perhaps now NASA should take a look at it... just in case?
Which is which...

???? ... :dunno:

I don't understand whether you're referring to something specific with the label "DISCLOSURE IN THE USA", versus some general notion of overall "disclosure".
 

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I don't understand whether you're referring to something specific with the label "DISCLOSURE IN THE USA", versus some general notion of overall "disclosure".
This is an intriguing issue.

Yes, deliberately 'in the USA', as both the 'disclosure' and 'NASA new initiative', are intrinsic.

Equally, they seem incongruous - entirely incompatible?

When I had a have a think about this topic beforehand, it occurred there is no outcry for 'DISCLOSURE IN THE U.K.', as it seems accepted, all of the MoDs related material has now been released.
 

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This is an intriguing issue.

Yes, deliberately 'in the USA', as both the 'disclosure' and 'NASA new initiative', are intrinsic.

Equally, they seem incongruous - entirely incompatible?

When I had a have a think about this topic beforehand, it occurred there is no outcry for 'DISCLOSURE IN THE U.K.', as it seems accepted, all of the MoDs related material has now been released.

The whole approach to the subject has been different in the UK almost since the start. Leaving aside the fact that nuts-and-bolts ETHers were never as prominent here, I think we're still quite culturally resistant to the idea that our military or government would hide anything from us - we never had a Watergate, for one thing.
 

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The whole approach to the subject has been different in the UK almost since the start. Leaving aside the fact that nuts-and-bolts ETHers were never as prominent here, I think we're still quite culturally resistant to the idea that our military or government would hide anything from us - we never had a Watergate, for one thing.
An official disclosure would come from Brazil or Puerto Rico due to amount of sightings of UFO's/ET's ?
 

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Supported by the oldest MUFON which is Virginia, a provision has been put into the new 2023-2024 Defense Bill that government employees and government contractors can freely without repercussions talk about their UFO experiences.

The Republicans who will control the house have said they are undecided.

The Democrats who will control the senate claim they want to write their own version of this UFO provision.
 

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DISCLOSURE IN THE USA
Is that still 'live', or stymied by conclusions of the recent government open hearings, that there is no existing, material evidence of any extraterrestrial contact and perhaps now NASA should take a look at it... just in case?
The great 'disclosure' appears to be that there are reasonable explanations for almost all of the reports collected by the Navy over the last few years, and the Pentagon has begun to realise this.
Here's the New York Times from 29 October anticipating this report.
U.F.O. skeptics and experts in optics have long said many of the videos and sightings by naval aviators represent optical illusions that have made ordinary objects — weather balloons, commercial drones — appear to move faster than possible. Military officials have largely come to the same conclusion.
Besides the images of the green triangles, the other recordings released by the Pentagon have not been categorized as surveillance incidents, at least so far. But Pentagon officials do not believe that any of them represent aliens, either.
One of the videos, referred to as GoFast, appears to show an object moving at immense speed. But an analysis by the military says that is an illusion created by the angle of observation against water. According to Pentagon calculations, the object is moving only about 30 miles per hour.
Another video, known as Gimbal, shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. Military officials now believe that is the optics of the classified image sensor, designed to help target weapons, make the object appear like it is moving in a strange way.
So we have good explanations for the
Green Pyramid UAPs = bokeh from a triangular aperture
GoFast = small, mundane object travelling at 30mph
Gimbal = optical distortion in the sensor system
Add to this the observation of several drones apparently associated with a Chinese spy ship in international waters,
and the toy mylar balloons seen off the Virginia coast (The Batman Balloon and other similar objects).

All these events have been examined at Metabunk with similar results; no aliens, just mundane events seen in unusual circumstances.

All that is left really is the FLIR1 clip, associated with the TicTac sighting of David Fravor. Here's what the NYT had to say.
Military analysts remain puzzled by the third video, known as Flir1. The object captured in the 2004 video appears to hover over the water, jump erratically, then peel away. Military officials say that event is more difficult to explain, but officials who have studied it are convinced it is not a piece of alien technology.
Note that the Metabunk analysis does explain the 'peeling away' aspect of the clip by demonstrating that the camera changes magnification at that point, thereby losing contact with the target - this was almost certainly a distant conventional aircraft, but it has not yet been identified, and many other aspects of that day's events remain mysterious.
 
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