What The Hell Are Dreams?

Sabresonic

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I can lucid dream (though it takes a ridiculous amount of effort.)

My son lucid dreams a couple of times a week.

He likes to take charge of his dream and do whatever he pleases.

I like to be aware and let the dream play out.

It's only recently that I've realised how AMAZING this is! - I can be fully aware in a detailed dreasmscape, populated by other characters who I have no idea what they will say or do or what might happen next.

I have no idea what dreams are for, but I know my brain is capable of something incredible. :)
I can Lucid dream to but wonder what's the next step ?
 

CharmerKamelion

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Lucid dreams are fascinating. I have only had a handful. I always have very vivid dreams, but I find true lucid dreams (dreams in which I know I am dreaming and can direct what is happening) are almost as rare as unicorns. They never last very long and only happen shortly before I wake up. On the few occasions I've had a lucid dream, waking out of it leaves me feeling disappointed that I couldn't sustain it for more than (what feels to me like) a few minutes. I envy people who have lucid dreams which they are able to sustain. It must be great!
 

Cochise

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My dreams are occasionally consistent from dream to dream, which I find interesting. For example I have a ‘dream London.’ It’s got tube stations and the British Museum and the Thames and Foyles bookshop and so on, but they are not arranged on the ground in the same way that they exist in real life, the geography is all wrong. Yet when I next dream I am in London, everything will be arranged consistently with my previous dream.
For a long time I had dreams which contained the same 'dream house'. Nothing spooky or weird about the house, except it wasn't anything like any house I'd ever lived in.
 

Cochise

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Anyone else ever have the feeling that someone else is living the life you were supposed to have, in a parallel dimension?
Yes. In fact I've sometimes dreamed that life, and had real difficulty in the moments after waking convincing myself this is the true reality, not the dream I was just in. And yet half an hour later I'll have forgotten pretty much everything about the dream except that I had it.
 

Zeke Newbold

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Some dreams may be telling the dreamer something they may need to know, some may be premonitory, some may be telepathic - but nowadays I struggle to believe that the vast majority of our dreams are anything more than us just stirring the slop-buckets of our daily lives. That's a disappointing conclusion to draw - it would be nice to believe that our nights are spent more productively than that - but there we are.

I really like the line that a poster above came out with, about our dreams being `thoughts with the brakes off`.

I dream every night and my dreams are extremely intricate and incredibly involved and usually suffused with an atmosphere of anxiety (although I always feel sad as I exit them). It's a good morning if I can recall as much as 25 per cent of them these days. I am just left to feel staggered as to where all this material has come from.

I never ever get nightmares. (We have a thread on this issue: https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/nightmares-who-gets-them-and-why.66136/)

The nature of my dreams seems to have changed as I have become older. There was a time when every so often I would have a striking dream, full of clear symbolism, which begged to be remembered and analysed. Accordingly, I have been through phases of being into `dream interpretation` of different kinds and have owned dream dictionaries and taken the precaution of keeping notebooks by my bed and so on. If I am to be really honest though, I can't really think of a dream from that period of my life which really imparted some message to me that I really needed to know. Mostly it was a case of tallying some extraordinary dream image with what I already knew (if deep down) was going on with me in my waking world.

All that stuff has since joined the sad array of Fortean interests which have fallen by the wayside as I slowly but surely morph into a being one Boring Old Git.

Ironically, my dreams these days seem somehow younger - as I have got older. They are full of manic energy and much faffing around and seem to have no discernible plot or clear purpose. I no longer seem to dream much about people that I know - instead the characters in my dreams are strangers, but composites of real acquaintances.. It's the same with places: everywhere I visit in my dreams is a place composed of a mash up of real locations that I have known. And my dreams are full of incessant chatter. Lots of people talking endlessly and verbosely. I only need to nod of on a sofa and - lo! - some stranger is gabbling to me in a prolix way about Some Very Urgent Topic - all of which is forgotten upon waking, of course.
 

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Some dreams may be telling the dreamer something they may need to know, some may be premonitory, some may be telepathic - but nowadays I struggle to believe that the vast majority of our dreams are anything more than us just stirring the slop-buckets of our daily lives. That's a disappointing conclusion to draw - it would be nice to believe that our nights are spent more productively than that - but there we are.

I really like the line that a poster above came out with, about our dreams being `thoughts with the brakes off`.

I dream every night and my dreams are extremely intricate and incredibly involved and usually suffused with an atmosphere of anxiety (although I always feel sad as I exit them). It's a good morning if I can recall as much as 25 per cent of them these days. I am just left to feel staggered as to where all this material has come from.

I never ever get nightmares. (We have a thread on this issue: https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/nightmares-who-gets-them-and-why.66136/)

The nature of my dreams seems to have changed as I have become older. There was a time when every so often I would have a striking dream, full of clear symbolism, which begged to be remembered and analysed. Accordingly, I have been through phases of being into `dream interpretation` of different kinds and have owned dream dictionaries and taken the precaution of keeping notebooks by my bed and so on. If I am to be really honest though, I can't really think of a dream from that period of my life which really imparted some message to me that I really needed to know. Mostly it was a case of tallying some extraordinary dream image with what I already knew (if deep down) was going on with me in my waking world.

All that stuff has since joined the sad array of Fortean interests which have fallen by the wayside as I slowly but surely morph into a being one Boring Old Git.

Ironically, my dreams these days seem somehow younger - as I have got older. They are full of manic energy and much faffing around and seem to have no discernible plot or clear purpose. I no longer seem to dream much about people that I know - instead the characters in my dreams are strangers, but composites of real acquaintances.. It's the same with places: everywhere I visit in my dreams is a place composed of a mash up of real locations that I have known. And my dreams are full of incessant chatter. Lots of people talking endlessly and verbosely. I only need to nod of on a sofa and - lo! - some stranger is gabbling to me in a prolix way about Some Very Urgent Topic - all of which is forgotten upon waking, of course.
As I get older my dreams seem to be harking back in some ways. I dream of my children as they were when they were small. Last night I dreamed I was pregnant, I could feel the baby moving and turning and my abdomen was swollen. My youngest child is 26 and I am WELL past childbearing age, which I also was in the dream, but in the dream I was only in my early 50's (rather than my 60's as I actually am).
 

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I've been studying Jung and have come to the module about dreams.
Man and his Symbols (edited by Jung) is quite accessible for the lay man and is all about dreams. The examples show that understanding them requires a lot of effort, knowledge and skill.
Jung: I have spent more than half a century in investigating natural symbols, and I have come to the conclusion that dreams and their symbols are not stupid and meaningless.
Jung: The general function of dreams is to try to restore our psychological balance by producing dream material that re-establishes, in a subtle way, the total psychic equilibrium.
Have there been any developments since Jung?
 

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TangletwigsDeux

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Woah... between 17 and 78%. That's not research, that's a wild guess. A huge range covered there, hardly worth publishing an estimate like that. That's like Microsoft Windows saying your download will be finished in 15 hours, no wait 3 mins 12 secs, no wait 4 hours and 12 minutes, no wait....
Well to be fair M$ Windows does do that ...
But yes the spread did seem a tad wide
 

Endlessly Amazed

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Woah... between 17 and 78%. That's not research, that's a wild guess. A huge range covered there, hardly worth publishing an estimate like that. That's like Microsoft Windows saying your download will be finished in 15 hours, no wait 3 mins 12 secs, no wait 4 hours and 12 minutes, no wait....

These two numbers, and the implied range between them, were from two different studies. So, one study suggests 17%. Another study suggests 78%. The two studies had different parameters and strategies for collecting and categorizing information. So, no wild guess, just medical science grinding along.

If you click on the links for the % numbers, you will see the two different studies. You then can read the studies, if you are well-caffeinated and like going down rabbit holes. Please let us know what you find :)
 

Coal

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Most of my dreams just don't make sense
Back in the day at uni, I spent a few months writing down my dreams on waking. What happened was that the fragmentary and nonsensical elements of the last sleep cycle’s dream, gradually, as recollection increased, joined up to become detailed narrative with common sense explanations for the 'dream jump cuts' caused by part recollection.

I'd be the first to admit this might just be my conscious brain making sense of fragments, but still, interesting exercise. I discontinued the experiment when it got to the point that I was taking an hour to write everything down.

If you plan to do this; first be comfortable in your own skin...
I do get recurring non-existent places in my dreams.
Likewise. I recently woke at 3am ish with such a place in my head and knowing that it was a repeat visit, I spent a few moments committing the details to conscious memory. The next day I jotted them down and although the joins were seamless, I could identify almost every facet of the dream-place from bits and pieces of real places.
 
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