Windermere, 28 Aug 1977—Re-Entries Or Meteors?

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I wasn't particularly interested in UFOs as a child, but can very clearly recall my first exposure to the concept - a TV report sometime in the early 80s featuring a supposedly impressive case from 28 August 1977.

This involved a series of sightings, mostly by police officers, of two large, slow-moving lights moving around the area of Lake Windermere. A paragraph is devoted to it here:

http://www.nicap.org/chronos/1977fullrep.htm

This makes it sound a bit like there were sequential sightings over a period of about 30 minutes, though a check of the locations show that the 'object' would either have had to jump around a lot in that time or been much higher than the witnesses thought. To me this suggests space debris re-entry, or similar.

Leaving aside the 'black project testing' hypothesis, the sightings sound very much like the 'Cosford incident', which was certainly proved to be a re-entry - particularly the descriptions of a "catamaran like" or "kite like" object, filled in around the lights by the witnesses through the 'airship effect'. Now the thing is I can find a couple of references suggesting that Salyut 5 re-entered the atmosphere on 28 August, but the majority say 8 August. Two questions for anyone with a longer fortean memory, or better library, than me:

- Did anything burn up on 28 August, or were any fireballs reported?

- Did anyone ever publish a solution to this case or was it eventually forgotten about?
 

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Cant remember anything about that one, Windermere is used by the
military for low flying by day and night and that seems a hell of a lot
of Police officers to be knocking about a relatively rural area at night
the place shuts down at 6pm, that's not to say nothing happened though
and a good few odd things have been seen over Morecambe Bay,
thanks for posting.
:omr::bthumbup:
 

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Cant remember anything about that one, Windermere is used by the
military for low flying by day and night and that seems a hell of a lot
of Police officers to be knocking about a relatively rural area at night
the place shuts down at 6pm, that's not to say nothing happened though
and a good few odd things have been seen over Morecambe Bay,
thanks for posting.
:omr::bthumbup:

Yes, from the bit we do know about testing of the real 'secret stuff' in the past it tends to be done over the sea, at night. So there seems a limited possibility they could have seen something military being put through its paces given the location.

I think there might have been a lot more officers on the beat in rural areas in the late 1970s. I do clearly remember at least one being interviewed in the TV segment, which I guess would have been Constable Ian Mackenzie, describing the lights as initially appearing like car headlamps on a hilltop.
 

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Thanks for the link, we simply don't these CE3 reports anymore:

March 7, 1977; Winchester, Hampshire, England
9:00 PM. Mrs. Jane Bowles was driving with a friend, Mrs. Ann Strickland, along a country road when their car stopped and a brilliant glow "like a white sun" lit up the area around them. An oval object was observed that was luminous and making a humming sound. A man emerged from the UFO, one similar in appearance to the one involved in Mrs. Bowles earlier close encounter. He was human like with long hair, a beard, and pink eyes. He approached, holding out his hands, and touched Mrs Bowles. His hands were warm to the touch like a human's. The man looked at Mrs. Strickland and then spoke in an unknown language. He gave something to Mrs. Bowles which she would not divulge, and then he returned to the UFO, which ascended into the sky with a hum and high-pitched noise. The women returned to Winchester, and Mrs. Bowles observed that her hands were red and swollen. She had to remove her wedding ring and she found the skin underneath raw. (Source: David F. Webb and Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Encounters, case 1977-12, citing Lionel Beer, BUFORA).

and:

April 7, 1977; Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales
5:00 AM. Mr. Cyril John, age 64, a former local political leader, was up early for an early start to London when he noticed a light shining in his bedroom window. Looking out he observed two objects. The first was a silvery-gray egg-shaped object with a bright orange-red light on top of it. It was about four feet across and was rocking gently in the air about 60 meters away. The second was a seven to eight foot tall humanoid figure, who floated in the air with arms out and legs bent back, like a "free fall parachutist." There was only about 35 feet between the man and the observer. No features could be seen on the figure's face, and it wore a uniformly silver-gray "boiler suit." It remained motionless in the air for more than 25 minutes. Then both the being and the ovoid object began slowly moving off, gradually disappearing from view in the distance. (Source: David F. Webb and Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports, case 1977-17 [A1719], citing Randall Jones Pugh, British UFO Research Association).

*sigh*
 

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Thanks for the link, we simply don't these CE3 reports anymore:

March 7, 1977; Winchester, Hampshire, England
9:00 PM. Mrs. Jane Bowles was driving with a friend, Mrs. Ann Strickland, along a country road when their car stopped and a brilliant glow "like a white sun" lit up the area around them. An oval object was observed that was luminous and making a humming sound. A man emerged from the UFO, one similar in appearance to the one involved in Mrs. Bowles earlier close encounter. He was human like with long hair, a beard, and pink eyes. He approached, holding out his hands, and touched Mrs Bowles. His hands were warm to the touch like a human's. The man looked at Mrs. Strickland and then spoke in an unknown language. He gave something to Mrs. Bowles which she would not divulge, and then he returned to the UFO, which ascended into the sky with a hum and high-pitched noise. The women returned to Winchester, and Mrs. Bowles observed that her hands were red and swollen. She had to remove her wedding ring and she found the skin underneath raw. (Source: David F. Webb and Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Encounters, case 1977-12, citing Lionel Beer, BUFORA).

and:

April 7, 1977; Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales
5:00 AM. Mr. Cyril John, age 64, a former local political leader, was up early for an early start to London when he noticed a light shining in his bedroom window. Looking out he observed two objects. The first was a silvery-gray egg-shaped object with a bright orange-red light on top of it. It was about four feet across and was rocking gently in the air about 60 meters away. The second was a seven to eight foot tall humanoid figure, who floated in the air with arms out and legs bent back, like a "free fall parachutist." There was only about 35 feet between the man and the observer. No features could be seen on the figure's face, and it wore a uniformly silver-gray "boiler suit." It remained motionless in the air for more than 25 minutes. Then both the being and the ovoid object began slowly moving off, gradually disappearing from view in the distance. (Source: David F. Webb and Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports, case 1977-17 [A1719], citing Randall Jones Pugh, British UFO Research Association).

*sigh*

It's really interesting how the first is very much in the pre-60s "contactee" tradition, whereas the second has the more inscrutable, dreamlike quality of something from Keel or Vallée (in fact the whole 'encounter' sounds more like some sort of dream experience - which is probably what it was).

The 70s were definitely a time of transition in the phenomenon - I suppose with us having gone into space, and then the moon, in the previous decade, the idea of benevolent, nuts and blots Venusians (or whatever) no longer seemed tenable. So both ufology and the sightings themselves started to go in other directions, e.g. those suggested by Keel and Vallée. Since the 1980s these now seem very much of their time too.
 
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