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Zoroastrianism Declines

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Future not looking so bright for Iran's "fire worshippers"

YAZD, Iran (AFP) - In the burning desert north of this ancient Iranian city, the the Islamic republic's last followers of the Zoroastrian religion are making their annual pilgrimage to the temple of Chak-Chak. "We are a species on the road to extinction," laments Babak, a man in his sixties who came from Tehran with his wife for the annual pilgrimage to one of the Zoroastrians' holiest sites -- the rocky peak of Chak-Chak.

The site is a 70-kilometer (50-mile) drive from the central Iranian city of Yazd, the historical capital of what many consider to be the world's first monotheistic religion. From the foot of towering rocks, pilgrims make their way up hundreds of steps to a cave to pray and drink clear water from a spring. "This grotto is a historic site for us. After the invasion of the Arabs 1,400 years ago, King Yazdgerd III escaped to this desert," recounts Ghoshtasb Belivani, head of the Zoroastrian association at Sharifabad, the nearest town.

Yazdgerd III was the last Sassanian king, and last leader of the nation before Islam was imposed as its official religion. "He was arrested at the same time as his first daughter. They were taken to Arabia. Nikbanou, his second daughter, took refuge in the grotto to escape the invaders," Belivani explained.

"After she cried and prayed, the mountain opened up and Nikbanou entered, and the mountain closed behind her. Since then, pure water has been pouring, drop by drop, from these rocks." Legend also has it that a petrified colourful cloth from Nikbanou was also visible in the rocks, although pilgrims eventually took this.

"It may just be folklore, but it is undeniable that somebody important or a group of Zoroastrians took refuge here," added Kasra Vafadari, a respected member of the community and a teacher of history at the University of Nanterre, France. Furthermore, scholars point out that the route was used in following centuries for Zoroastrians fleeing Iran -- or Persia as it was formerly known -- to escape religious persecution.

Once inside the grotto, women shrouded in white cast off their veils -- obligatory in Islamic Iran -- and drink tea and wine, which is permitted for religious use by non-Muslims in the Islamic republic. They also read the Avesta, their sacred book, and light candles and incense. The annual pilgrimage, one of the highlights of the Zoroastrian calendar, lasts just 10 days.

Along with Judaism and Christianity, Zoroastrianism is a recognized -- and therefore permitted -- religion in Iran, where officially 99 percent of the 66 million-strong population are Muslims. The religion was founded by Zarathustra -- known to the Greeks as Zoroaster -- a Persian prophet who believed he had seen visions of a God he called Ahura Mazda. Historians believe he lived at least 600 years BC.

Zoroastrianism was also dualistic -- with God having an opponent, Aura Mainyu. Zarathustra taught that humans are free to choose between right and wrong, truth and lie, and light and dark, and that their acts, words, and thoughts would affect their lives after death. Their keeping of a sacred fire in their temples, symbolising light, led many to refer to them as "fire worshippers".

Many believe such precepts had a profound influence on Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Zoroastrianism also referred to an opposition between body and soul, a concept that is also central to the Islamic faith. In a concession to their Persian roots and in contrast to many Sunni Muslim scholars, the Shiite regime here recognizes them as Kittabiyah -- or people of the book and fellow monotheists as opposed to Kufr, or infidels.

But their numbers are declining sharply. Centuries of persecution have forced many to flee to India, where they are known as the Parsi and number between 80,000 and 100,000. Discrimination in Iran continues today, for example in seeking employment in the state sector where Muslims are preferred.

Certain practices have also been outlawed. They no longer leave their dead on "towers of silence" to be devoured by vultures and not pollute the earth. And ironically, the faith has also fallen victims to its own laws, notably the strict laws limiting their prospects of marriage to within their own community.

"Before the (1979 Islamic) revolution, there were more than 48,000 Zoroastrians. But today there are maybe 22,000, even though the population of Iran has doubled," Vafadari said.

"People are leaving because they have no future here."


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Zoroastrians make Iran pilgrimage

Members of Iran's dwindling Zoroastrian community are making their annual pilgrimage to the temple in the rocky mountain of Chakchak.


The desert site near the central city of Yazd is holy to the minority whose numbers are said to have halved to 22,000 since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

It is believed the last Zoroastrian princess sheltered from the Muslims in a cave on Chakchak in AD640.

Shia Iran tolerates the faith, but orthodox Sunnism deems it heretical.

Yazd is the historic capital Zoroastrianism, considered by some to be the world's first monotheistic religion and a profound influence on Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

The faith was founded in about 600BC by the Persian prophet Zarathustra who believed he had seen visions of a God he called Ahura Mazda.

Zoroastrian rule was driven out of modern-day Iran by the Muslim Arab invasion 1400 years ago.

The last king Yazdgerd III was captured, but his second daughter Nikbanou escaped and is believed to have sheltered at Chakchak.

Religious dispensation

Legend says the Chakchak mountain opened up and received Nikbanou - closing behind her at a spot marked by a fresh water spring.

Pilgrims have long since removed a colourful rock believed to be a petrified cloth that was all that was left of Nikbanou.

Today, pilgrims make their way up the towering rocks, following hundreds of steps to a cave where they pray and drink clear water from a spring.

Tea and wine are drunk inside - alcohol being allowed for religious use by non-Muslims in the Islamic republic. Women can also take off their obligatory veils.

As well as the deity, Zoroastrians also believe in a Satan-like figure, Aura Mainyu, and have their own holy book, the Avesta-E-Zend.

Fire temples

Zoroastrians are often mistakenly identified as fire-worshippers, perhaps from the presence of fires in their temples and the celebration of "the birthday of the fire" when they give thanks for the warmth and light afforded by fire.

Although certain Zoroastrian practices have been outlawed in Iran - leaving the dead to be eaten by vultures on "towers of silence", for example - Iranian tolerance apparently stems from the Persian roots of the religion.

Sunni Muslims, by contrast, do not recognise the Zoroastrians as People of the Book like Christians, Jews and some other monotheistic minorities in the region.

But centuries of persecution have forced many Iranian Zoroastrians to flee to India, where they are known as Parsis.

"We are a species on the road to extinction," Babak, a Tehran resident who has come to Chakchak for the pilgrimage, told the French news agency AFP.

But the tenets of the Zoroastrians' own faith - such as strict marriage laws - have also caused a decline in the population.

BBCi News 17/06/04
 
This might be of interest.

In pictures: Zoroastrians in Iran


A cycle of life

Zoroastrianism is one of the oldest but perhaps most misunderstood religions still practised today.

Its spiritual doctrines on heaven, hell and resurrection heavily influenced Islam and Christianity.

But emigration, conversion to Islam and centuries of oppression mean their numbers in Iran have dwindled to around 45,000.
 
Those are some great pictures. NEver seen an existing (if unused) "Tower of Silence", and the pitchfork for the bones was also interesting.... and the lady who was buried in the last picture was supposedly from the town of Yezd.... I wonder if whe was originally a Yezidis then, or from that community?
 
i know this may sound daft, (ive proberly asked this elsewhere) but

re:- the first picture, 'bove the door. there is a design that appears to similar to "the wings of isis".

is there any connection with ancient egypt?

iirc ancient egypt did have trading links with that part of the world
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4675343.stm

Zoroastrians search for their roots

Khojeste Mistree of Mumbai (Bombay) is a known Zoroastrian scholar and historian.

He is a self-proclaimed conservative member of India's tiny Zoroastrian Iranian or Parsi community, trying to uphold the rites and traditions of the pre-Islamic religion of Iran.

A few years ago, he began taking young and old Parsis to Iran to rediscover their religious roots.

He says: "These pilgrimages are a wonderful way to teach people something about their roots and religion."

He wants the Parsis to feel "proud to be Zoroastrian".


Growing trend

The idea seems to have caught on. Every year, hundreds of Indian Parsis are going on a pilgrimage to Iran where they visit Zoroastrian holy sites.


And much to Mr Mistree's satisfaction they come back as "proud Zoroastrians".

Noshir Dadrawala, who takes a group of people to Iran once a year on behalf of a non-profit making organisation, says the demand for the pilgrimage is growing.

"This year for the first time we are hoping to conduct a second tour in early September," he says.

Other tour operators also report a growing interest in the pilgrimage to Iran.

Persis Dadbhoy, of Madras, who went on her first trip to Iran a few weeks ago, says: "A lot of my friends and relatives have inquired about this tour and want to go to Iran as well."

The community is fired by a mix of angst about their dwindling numbers worldwide and yearning about their roots.


The Parsis' collective memory of Iran may have faded after 12 centuries of integration with the Indian mainstream, but Mr Mistree says there is a "genetic memory one has about Iran and ancient Zoroastrian history".


Parsis who have been on pilgrimages say it is a journey of self-discovery.

Sarvar Irani, who still has some relatives in Iran, says: "When I go I feel like I'm back in my own country."

Mr Dadrawala says a lot of Parsis come to him with religious fervour.

They want to go to southern Iran to see the ancient fire temples that still exist.

"India is our adopted motherland but Iran is the spiritual motherland of all Parsis," Mr Dadrawala says.


Rituals

Zoroastrian Iranians came to India 12 centuries ago to avoid Islamic persecution.

They settled in the western state of Gujarat.

Today the majority of the 69,000-strong community lives in Mumbai in the neighbouring state of Maharashtra.

They speak Gujarati but many of their religious rituals are preserved.

Mr Dadrawala says cultural differences do divide the Indian and Iranian Zoroastrians.

But he says: "In terms of religious beliefs it is the same. We say the same prayers, probably with a different accent but the mode of worship is the same."

Mr Mistree says the desire to rediscover roots is a trend prevalent in all faiths.

"The process of discovery is to find out who one is."

Others point to travel becoming cheaper and that Islamic Iran is more relaxed about Zoroastrians visiting holy sites.

Most of the pilgrims are pleasantly surprised that their religious heritage has largely been preserved by the Iranian government.

On his first visit, Mr Dadrawala saw the sites were being renovated but noted the tolerance of the Islamic republic.


"There is a translation of an inscription of Darius which read, 'the Great God is Ahura Mazdah', which shows how faithful the Iranian authorities have been to preserving Zoroastrianism."


The call of the faithful appears to be so strong it has influenced Iranians as well.

Mr Mistree says he has seen Iranian Muslims on the Zoroastrian sites "who go there to rediscover their own Iranian roots".

Visitors to the sites say the experience is uplifting.

"History comes alive in the mountains over there and in the rock carvings and inscriptions of the great kings," says Mr Dadrawala.

(c) bbc 05


mr mistree is a great name :D
 
melf said:
i know this may sound daft, (ive proberly asked this elsewhere) but

re:- the first picture, 'bove the door. there is a design that appears to similar to "the wings of isis".

is there any connection with ancient egypt?

iirc ancient egypt did have trading links with that part of the world

That's Ahura Mazda. There are various connections, but as to who had this symbolism first, or if it came to be independantly is another thing. IIRC, winged symbolism in various Middle Eastern cultures is very old.
 
I know someone who seems to be the most knowledgeable person about Iran and area ever to exist, I will ask her about Zoroastrianism.
 
I tried pronouncing the fire worshippers name and me mom accused me of being drunk! :_pished:
 
Posted on Tue, Jun. 12, 2007
An old religion says no to billboards
By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM
Associated Press Writer
Some might see the towering billboards that rise out of a centuries-old Mumbai funeral ground as a message from beyond the grave.

But the signs - which exhort motorists to "Rev up your night life" by buying a popular car - have bitterly divided the city's Parsi community since they were erected last week, with many people saying they desecrate the sanctity of the place.

Trustees of the funeral ground, who authorized the billboards, say they are needed to raise cash to maintain the Tower of Silence where Parsis, followers of the Bronze Age Persian prophet Zarathustra, or Zoroaster, have wrapped their dead in white muslin and left them to be devoured by vultures since 1673.

Parsis, also known as Zoroastrians, worship fire and believe that cremation is a mortal sin and that burial pollutes the earth. So they leave their dead atop the towers to be devoured by vultures, a process they believe releases the deceased's spirit.

"I have told people who are objecting, bring me 3,000,000 rupees ($73,000) a year and I will stop the advertisements," said Burjor Antia, a trustee with the Bombay Parsi Panchayat, or council governing the community's affairs.

"But nobody brings the money," he said Tuesday.

Antia said the money is needed to maintain the lush 55-acre cemetery that begins at Mumbai's posh Kemps Corner area and spreads across Malabar Hill, the city's wealthiest neighborhood.

"We are not profiting from this; it is proper utilization of land," he said, adding that the billboards should not offend people because they are near the ground's entrance and not near the "dhokma," or towers, in which the dead are placed.

But this has not mollified members of the community, who say it is wrong to profit from the sacred ground where they believe the dead lie waiting for their souls to be freed.

"I am very, very upset. How can you commercialize a heritage ground that has existed for more than 300 years?" Anahita Pundole said.

"I am enraged that this is being allowed. This is a sanctum sanctorum for the dead and it is being destroyed," she said, using the Latin for "a sacred place."

Zoroastrianism is a monotheistic religion that predates Christianity and Islam and is believed to have influenced those faiths - and Judaism as well. It was founded in ancient Persia about 3,000 years ago, according to some scholarly estimates.

Zoroastrians once numbered in the millions, but were persecuted and forced to convert after Muslims rose to power in Iran around the mid-seventh century. A small number fled to India and their descendants became known as Parsis.

According to some estimates, there are only about 150,000 Zoroastrians in the world today.

http://www.kansascity.com/451/story/146569.html
 
This AP news article notes the convening of a world congress of Zoroastrians, summarizes the religion and its history, and describes the state of the religion today. The latest estimate is that there are only 125,000 Zoroastrians worldwide.
Zoroastrians confront depletion of their ancient faith

Among the world’s present-day religions, Zoroastrianism, founded more than 3,000 years ago, is one of the most ancient and historically influential. Yet even though its adherents maintain vibrant communities on four continents, they acknowledge their numbers are dauntingly small — perhaps 125,000 worldwide.

Starting Friday, about 1,200 attendees from 16 countries will be assessing their faith’s prospects during the four-day World Zoroastrian Congress in New York City, the first one held in the United States since 2000.

The agenda reflects a keen awareness of the challenges facing their religion. Prospects for growth are limited, given that Zoroastrians don’t seek to convert outsiders and — in many cases — don’t consider the children of mixed marriages to be members of the faith. Yet there’s also some cause for optimism.

“Have we ever been in a time like this?” wondered Arzan Sam Wadia, a Mumbai-born, New York-based architect who is co-chair of the congress. ...
FULL STORY: https://apnews.com/article/religion-new-york-city-522aeec0050967ef7ed754020e9baf85
 
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