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ramonmercado said:....the ex-communists get over 20% support in most of the east German States.
Yes, but what percentage of that 20 percent is under 40 years old?
ramonmercado said:....the ex-communists get over 20% support in most of the east German States.
OldTimeRadio said:ramonmercado said:....the ex-communists get over 20% support in most of the east German States.
Yes, but what percentage of that 20 percent is under 40 years old?
OldTimeRadio said:Well, if we're going to have a Communist leader arising in a unified Berlin even this old Anti-Communist would prefer that she be drop-dead georgeous.
The last time it was Rosa Luxenbourg.
Berlin. 80 000 people came to visit the "Cemetary of the Socialists" to remember to Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the founders of the German Communist Party. Luxemburg and Liebknecht were murdered by "Freikorps" Soldiers after World War I.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/360042.html
ramonmercado said:If you go to the link you will see younger people.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/360042.html
OldTimeRadio said:ramonmercado said:If you go to the link you will see younger people.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/360042.html
Viewing all the photographs collectively there seem to be around a dozen or so "young" people among the individuals close enough to the cameras to recognize. And that includes children tagging along with their parents, which may not count. (Had my parents been flat earthers when I was 10 or 12 I'd almost certainly have been one at that age.)
I'm younger than a number of the people in the photographs.
ramonmercado said:As for kids, I was on my first demo at 2 in a pram. Supporting Cuba during the missiles crisis.
OldTimeRadio said:ramonmercado said:As for kids, I was on my first demo at 2 in a pram. Supporting Cuba during the missiles crisis.
Yes, but I doubt that you were there through any true volitional choice of your own. And that's true even if you are proud as heck today for having been there.
OldTimeRadio said:Yes, on second thought it does seem like something a two-year-old would come up with. <ggg>
Thanks for that. Yes, Kipling was a very widely read writer in his day,so perhaps he popularised it.(Maybe in the way that the Yin-Yang symbol has been made into an icon in our own day). That would make some sort of sense.
As for the Dublin laundry company: could it be that they had Irish nationalist sympathies? I understand some of the Irish nationalists sided with the Nazis -in an any-enemy-of -my enemy-is-my friend tactical sort of way.
As for which way round the swastika should go - my understanding is (and I don't know where I got this from) is that it was the Nazis who reversed the direction in which the swastika `points`.
The original swastika was meant to point in the direction of the rising sun...or something. The four arms represented the four directions in which a man's soul could go: heaven, hell, rebirth as a man, or rebirth as an animal. *
(* This from the novel `Wakolda` by Lucia Puenzo - a fictional account of Joseph Mengele's time in Argentina).
Yes there was a serious blueshirt movement that supported the Nazis and the fascists of Franco's mob in the '30s. I understand that Maynooth (the Catholic church ascendancy at the time) was fully behind the move. No surprises there.
It needs also to be remembered that there was also a very strong united Irish band that sided against Fascism in the Spanish Civil War. Many Irish died in the face of the degeneration of European democracy too. As ever, the powers backed the powers and the salt of the earth stood against.
Thanks for the post. That's a perfectly rational explanation for that instance. I've walked past nazi flags in Korea a couple of times - posted outside coffee bars or nightclubs in complete and total ignorance of their offensive impact on culturally educated passers by. In Korea, the original buddhist reverse swastika is flagged outside Mudang (fortune tellers) dwellings, so I suppose the bar owners had been looking at it all their lives without understanding the rotten associations from the European wars of the 1940s. Or they could just be modern-day supporters of Hitler's reich. In any case, I didn't take tea there.I was very surprised to see that in the Cobh (the nearset town) that day, a huge swastika flag was flying in the main street! I wondered at the time whether this was some kind of anti-British statement and decided to investigate. Luckily though, someone has already had exactly the same thought and written a page about it! A very interesting read it is too:
http://jamescsn.tumblr.com/post/53454237794/the-curious-case-of-the-nazi-flag-in-cobh
As it turns out, there is actually a perfectly mundane explanation. Great detective skills though!