Got it in one F! Unfortunately I missed doing the same for a naughty word used in the same thread. Bows head in shame.Or a humorous style of avoiding using the word?
Got it in one F! Unfortunately I missed doing the same for a naughty word used in the same thread. Bows head in shame.Or a humorous style of avoiding using the word?
I suspect he probably found out himself. It is over 40 years ago, but I seem to remember there were broken teeth and ribs involved. I abhor violence but sometimes, just sometimes......Oh how I absolutely love a well placed speeling mistake.
I wonder how much carp he had in him exactly?
And glad your situation seems to have improved. It must affect your work when you were always jumpy/looking over your shoulder so it was to your employer's benefit.
Sometimes it takes that one brave person to put into words what everyone else is thinking. And you are that person. (Or snail?)Spot-on. It's not just me of course, but I'm the only one kicking off. Everyone else seems to feel they're safer if they don't provoke him.
One colleague whom he actually threatened told me 'I'm glad it happened, it cleared the air! I know where I stand now.' That's classic victim-thinking.
Sometimes it takes that one brave person to put into words what everyone else is thinking. And you are that person. (Or snail?)
Management are really laying themselves open to massive problems and huge legal issues if something happens when they have consistently failed to act.I spoke too soon. Upper management have denied my shift pattern change. Apparently all I need to do is avoid Mr Angry and hurry in and out of the depot at night.
Someone will 'have a word' with him.
Time to bitch up!
Management are really laying themselves open to massive problems and huge legal issues if something happens when they have consistently failed to act.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Fuck yeah. :badge::badge:.. legs and the balls .. don't hesitate.Time to bitch up!
Straight to the union with that one. Be interesting to see what a legal mind makes of that - as you say, they're openly admitting he's a danger. Think they're going to regret this one.Yup, I've told my manager that. He is bricking it.
I've got'em now though because the email he read out to me from the big boss stated that although Mr A is a danger to everyone, Scargy can't have early shifts because then the entire depot would be able to ask for the same.
Er, so they're admitting they know he's dangerous? It's on them now. I'll get a copy and take it to the union and I've won.
Couldn't put it better myself.
Because in management, most of them get promoted at least one job higher than their capabilities. It is known. ;o)I never understand why people are so inept.
The Peter Principle.Because in management, most of them get promoted at least one job higher than their capabilities. It is known. ;o)
This makes me so angry on your behalf. No one should have to feel unsafe like this. Dont take any chances, please.I spoke too soon. Upper management have denied my shift pattern change. Apparently all I need to do is avoid Mr Angry and hurry in and out of the depot at night.
Someone will 'have a word' with him.
Time to bitch up!
The problem with sociopaths in the workplace is that employment law doesn't back up well meaning 'common sense' managers .. to put it bluntly, you can't just fire someone for being a cunt unless he uses violence, is caught drinking taking drugs .. then it's instant dismissal. A manager could get big heat if not fired for constructive dismissal and nervous senior management know this which is why they make the right noises to a member of staff who raises a grievance but then also do nothing confirmative about it.This makes me so angry on your behalf. No one should have to feel unsafe like this. Dont take any chances, please.
Hopefully someone in management will encounter him during one of his episodes and get an idea of what you and others are having to deal with and push for something to be done.
Laws like that can protect people who could be ganged up on by entrenched social groups, so I support the intention. It's probably not humanly possible to enact fool proof laws that can't be exploited by the kind of person who knows how to play victim in order to avoid responsibility for their own craziness. Mentally ill people can be incredibly slick in presenting a sane facade to those who hold power over them. Managers, unfortunately, also can be very slick in covering their own rear ends, and throwing yours under the bus (to coin a phrase), when their jobs could be at stake.The problem with sociopaths in the workplace is that employment law doesn't back up well meaning 'common sense' managers .. to put it bluntly, you can't just fire someone for being a cunt unless he uses violence, is caught drinking taking drugs .. then it's instant dismissal. A manager could get big heat if not fired for constructive dismissal and nervous senior management know this which is why they make the right noises to a member of staff who raises a grievance but then also do nothing confirmative about it.
The later stages, when a sociopath realises that their victim is standing up to them is to play the victim themselves to make the victim look like the bully. Textbook stuff and the employment law agencies are aware of this but are still legally impotent to be able to do anything about it. The victim must keep fastidious written records, easier said than done when they're being ground down by a weirdo as well as normal day to day responsibilities both at work and at home.
Good work there, hope he gets all he deservesSome news on the creepy neighbour front. And there will be more to follow, I guess... Can't put up specifics yet because it's possible there's going to be a court case but let's just say an animal has been got to safety.
Having a word will do nothing, and they have shot themselves in the foot by admitting he is dangerous, if so, he should be dismissed, you go rip em another one dear, show them the error of their ways when they tackle a determined snailI spoke too soon. Upper management have denied my shift pattern change. Apparently all I need to do is avoid Mr Angry and hurry in and out of the depot at night.
Someone will 'have a word' with him.
Time to bitch up!
The penalty for unfair dismissal if it's proved is a relative pittance though compared to the potential harm these characters can do to the life of co workers and of course harm to the business . It's not that difficult to follow legal procedures in terms of employment law to get rid of an employee. In E's case I would say the employer has not only shot themselves in the foot but blown off their own head by admitting that this character is a danger to everyone. I suspect that if something happened they would lay themselves open to charges of criminal negligence. Shows you how stupid some management is.The problem with sociopaths in the workplace is that employment law doesn't back up well meaning 'common sense' managers .. to put it bluntly, you can't just fire someone for being a cunt unless he uses violence, is caught drinking taking drugs .. then it's instant dismissal. A manager could get big heat if not fired for constructive dismissal and nervous senior management know this which is why they make the right noises to a member of staff who raises a grievance but then also do nothing confirmative about it.
The later stages, when a sociopath realises that their victim is standing up to them is to play the victim themselves to make the victim look like the bully. Textbook stuff and the employment law agencies are aware of this but are still legally impotent to be able to do anything about it. The victim must keep fastidious written records, easier said than done when they're being ground down by a weirdo as well as normal day to day responsibilities both at work and at home.
The tricky part of this is the person threatening scargy is not an employee of her company. But it is the duty of her employer to protect her in the workplace. You would think that scargy's employers would have a word with the other company about their problem empliyee.
Go @escargot! Take care.
Get the union onto it.The two companies have sent each other emails about it, which I have seen. The consensus is that I am an attention-seeking/hysterical troublemaker. I'm looking forward to having this said to my face.
You will. And that's at least a workable solution for now, in terms of your safety. Those emails that have gone back n forth between the two companies really sound vile. Have you got copies or got a way of getting them? Union has to be involved with this one. Sounds like they keep incriminating themselves in their communications.It's not all bad. My very supportive and helpful manager has already changed my shifts for the next few weeks, lasting until my actual earlies start, so I'm unofficially on permanent earlies for now. I'm up for a fight over the issue - not with him of course - and will win.
How dare they, they are making a situation worse, this is tantamount to bullying you, not acceptable, i hope you take the union in with you, disgusting treatment, puts anybody else off reporting anything, trying to silence any witnesses no doubt, tossers, i believe they picked on the wrong un, get em, an make it painful ScargyThe two companies have sent each other emails about it, which I have seen. The consensus is that I am an attention-seeking/hysterical troublemaker. I'm looking forward to having this said to my face.
They just don't know how to cope with a belly dancing snail, that's all.The consensus is that I am an attention-seeking/hysterical troublemaker.