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U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure

maximus otter said:
Eric Taber has been a defense aerospace contractor for 13 years and has held a security clearance to work on military aircraft.
In an interview, he revealed the story his late great uncle Sam Urquhart, an Area 51 contractor, told him about a UFO at the mysterious desert base.
'[His uncle, Sam Urquhart] said, 'When I first got there in 1997, I had a personal conversation with a senior EG&G engineer whose group was tasked with trying to reverse-engineer an object that was brought there by some CIA people in the 1980s.'
'It was supposedly just found in a remote desert location fully intact.
'The senior EG&G engineer described to my great uncle that it was egg-shaped, about the size of an SUV, smooth and seamless, metallic-looking, silverish gray in color, with no control surfaces, no flaps, no inlet, and no exhaust, and no writing or symbols on the outside.
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According to Taber, his uncle Sam Urquhart did not see this object himself, but he did see a 'crystal-clear' photo of it up on the wall.
There may be a very good explanation for this.

EG&G Inc, (Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, Inc) were a defence contractor who (amongst other things) specialised in testing radar cross-sections (RCS), often with a view to minimise the radar cross-section of an aircraft or missile entering hostile territory.

Here's an RCS test of the secret OXCART plane that was carried out by EG&G in the 1960s.
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Full-sized radar cross-section mockups would be mounted on a pole and scanned by radar to test their return characteristics.
I expect that the EG&G engineers saw Urquhart (who was only a security man) looking at a photo of a radar cross-section mock-up, and told him a tall story about a solid UFO that was impervious to x-rays.

Some RCS mockups look incredibly similar to classical UFOs.
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Note that almost everything the EG&G man told Urquhart was correct; the RCS mockups were in fact solid, because they were only testing the shape for radar reflectivity. The parts about the x-rays and the tested scrapings were made up, however.
 
This bit raises suspicion on the motive for telling this story…

Taber admitted he sold his great uncle's patch for $600 on eBay in March when he was strapped for cash – a move he now regrets.
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Taber admitted he sold his great uncle's patch for $600 on eBay in March when he was strapped for cash – a move he now regrets.
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Here is the patch concerned;
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note that the lower left-hand side of the patch shows a spherical ball, plus a series of strangely shaped pylons - we've seen this before, in my earlier post: a ball-shaped radar cross-section test article, and the pylon it was attached to.

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UFO whistleblower, David Grusch, tells News Nation TV news his efforts have been squashed by certain U.S. Senators.

David said he would like President Biden to get involved.
 
Not available in the UK, but here is a cached version.
Former Navy rear admiral supports UFO whistleblower claims.

“One of my jobs in the Navy, I was the chief meteorologist of the Navy at the time when Orion was encountering the UAP off the U.S. East Coast,” he said.
Gallaudet said he received a video containing the “Go fast” video, which shows a fighter pilot’s encounter with a UAP, from his superior officers.
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Note that AARO and NASA agree with Mick West that the GO FAST clip shows something small and travelling slowly, such as a balloon or a bird.
 
The almost 900 billion dollar Defense Bill passed today leaving proposals for UAP studies and disclosures in the trash bin.

Rep. Tim Burchett was quick to criticize his fellow representatives claiming they sold out to the “ military-industrial complex” for greed.

It has been rumored that private contractors control “ not of this world” materials.

Senate leader Chuck Schumer claimed that UAP disclosure has been seriously set back.
 
charliebrown said:
This has been an interesting year for UFOs that has been unique.

Arguments in the U.S. Congress about UFOs, whistleblower David Grusch, and the alien corpses in Mexico.
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You mean those little taco people?
I think we’re no further forward despite the blown whistles.
 
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The aliens in Mexico were blatant frauds, made from human and animal bones and bean paste.

David Grusch has told us precisely nothing in detail, and claims it is all secret. To be honest, telling us about secrets that cannot be disclosed because they are secret is not actually telling us anything useful at all.

The argument in Congress is between people who want to disclose any and all information about UAPs, whether it includes military secrets or not, and people who think that automatic disclosure might accidentally divulge secrets to a potential enemy. Mike Turner is in the latter camp, and is resisting any process that would automatically disclose details of sensor systems and military capabilities. I'd like to see a lot more information made public, but if this process involves spreading sensitive data about military tech then that data must be protected wherever necessary.
 
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eburacum said:
The aliens in Mexico were blatant frauds, made from human and animal bones and bean paste.

David Grusch has told us precisely nothing in detail, and claims it is all secret. To be honest, telling us about secrets that cannot be disclosed because they are secret is not actually telling us anything useful at all.

The argument in Congress is between people who want to disclose any and all information about UAPs, whether in includes military secrets or not, and people who think that automatic disclosure might accidentally divulge secrets to a potential enemy. Mike Turner is in the latter camp, and is resisting any process that would automatically disclose details of sensor systems and military capabilities. I'd like to see a lot more information made public, but if this process involves spreading sensitive data about military tech then that data must be protected wherever necessary.
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To my mind Grusch's credibility was seriously undermined by the example of an incident he chose to give - the Magenta 'retrieval', which has always seemed like an obvious load of rubbish / ufologists' tall tale to me.
 
Grusch seems to be a hero to the current crop of Reddit 'ufologists', but like nearly all the other 'whistleblowers', UAP-friendly scientists and military officers being breathlessly quoted at the moment, he's really a symptom of something that's been gathering momentum for a while:

https://newrepublic.com/article/162457/government-embrace-ufos-bad-science

The current degree of interest in UFOs seems far more to do with Bigelow's funding of fringe research coming to fruition than anything else.

And the usual circus seems to have been dragged along with it: the grifting 'journalists', the people fostering mistrust in government motives, the peddlers of eschatological lunacy. What's particularly sad is that, judging by Reddit anyway, there seems to be a fair number of people who are inclined to take them seriously.
 
What about U.S. Retired Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet and also being retired director of NOAA ?

On News Nation TV news, he has made strong statements of UFOs and humanoids being among us for a long time.
 
charliebrown said:
What about U.S. Retired Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet and also being retired director of NOAA ?

On News Nation TV news, he has made strong statements of UFOs and humanoids being among us for a long time.
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...but no evidence.
 
In 1961, President Eisenhower in his farewell speech warned the world that the “ industrial-military complex” will try to rule the world.

Just recently Senate Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer, in a Senate speech has warned the world that the “industrial-military complex” has possible illegal and secretive UFO information and off world materials.

Something is strange here for Schumer to say this ?
 
I can’t believe that the Pope in his Christmas address warned the world of the “ industrial-military complex”.

The Pope even went further by saying evil old weapons on “unknown” weapons.

This is in line with Eisenhower and Senator Schumer.
 
The UFO subject has been quiet, but a passing note.

The U.S. House of Representatives Committee of House Secrets (I didn’t know the House had this kind of committee) called for a future classified meeting about UFO/UAPs.

All I can say this is just curious.
 
It's been trending on Twitter that several 8-10ft aliens were in a Miami mall a day or so ago. Alleged footage shows a massive police presence.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/aliens-miami-mall-police-response-viral-speculation-rcna132524

Teens running, police converging and a grey splotch that appears to be moving: Videos from an outdoor mall in Miami stoked wild claims this week on social media that aliens had landed on Earth. But the truth is far more terrestrial.

On Monday, a group of roughly 50 teenagers caused a riot at Bayside Marketplace, an outdoor mall roughly 5 miles from South Beach, according to the Miami Police Department.

The teens were setting off fireworks, which led to a panic as some assumed there was a shooting, said Miami Police Department public information officer Michael Vega. Four teens were arrested.
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Mythopoeika said:
Even so, such a huge police presence is a bit odd.
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Hardly. From that article…
On Monday, a group of roughly 50 teenagers caused a riot at Bayside Marketplace, an outdoor mall roughly 5 miles from South Beach, according to the Miami Police Department.
The teens were setting off fireworks, which led to a panic as some assumed there was a shooting, said Miami Police Department public information officer Michael Vega. Four teens were arrested.
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That’s the reason for the big cop turn out I guess.
 
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charliebrown said:
This video is show something tall walking about, maybe the “ Stay Puff “ marshmallow man ?

The police response does seem massive.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/05/miami-alien-conspiracy-video/72123564007/

Edit—I tried to count the number of police cars from the video but it seemed too many to count.

I think the first call to police was a 10 foot alien walking through the Miami mall.

I have never seen this kind of police response !
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60 Police Cars, 2 Black Ops Helicopters, and no media. . . more than just a bit of an out-of-control youthfull fireworks incident?
One report online say's that they (the cops) were shooting at the 'alien,' nothing to do with fireworks apparently?
Sounds as though it's very much an 'over the top' report, response, actions, on all who were there ~ but it did happen in Miami after all! :popc:
 
Sid,

In my posted video what do you think made the image of a huge shadow figure walking ?
 
charliebrown said:
Sid,

In my posted video what do you think made the image of a huge shadow figure walking ?
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Had to look to another link/s into the report/s, as the one you posted didn't bring it up (same problem as 'Analogue Boy's as above.
As regarding the shadow figure walking - I didn't find that personally convincing enough for to say what might have caused that image, and couldn't even make out any shadow, as such, only something of a smoky mist-like form - could just as easily been exhaust fumes from one of the cars drifting along ~ anybody's 'guess' really. Nothing much to see, or to look into apart from the number of Police vehicles, and what 'facts,' as on all sides, it seems very 'unfactual.'
 
Sid said:
Had to look to another link/s into the report/s, as the one you posted didn't bring it up (same problem as 'Analogue Boy's as above.
As regarding the shadow figure walking - I didn't find that personally convincing enough for to say what might have caused that image, and couldn't even make out any shadow, as such, only something of a smoky mist-like form - could just as easily been exhaust fumes from one of the cars drifting along ~ anybody's 'guess' really. Nothing much to see, or to look into apart from the number of Police vehicles, and what 'facts,' as on all sides, it seems very 'unfactual.'
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Looks like 3 people just walking and see other people on the opposite side of the police cars don't seem to be running also seen some feral youths gang jumping a bloke and some kids fighting but still don' have a clue but maybe with the so called firecrackers all the cars were a response to thinking it was a terror attack.
 
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