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Are Statins Good for Wood?

He might have been the man of steel, but he still hid behind the "Iron Curtains" :twisted:
 
Coastaljames said:
Stalin gives me the 'orn.
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Stalin proud and errect

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Stalin not proud or erect

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Mythopoeika said:
Because I'm over 50 and diabetic, and that is the standard procedure in medical-world these days.
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I'm under 50 and diabetic, I assume it was statins that I was given but I ditched them after about two weeks due to cramps and pains in my lower legs. Whatever good they were meant to be doing wasn't worth the alarming onset on what felt like nerves throbbing in my legs.
 
Escargot said:
It's because prick, dick, nob, cock etc are words that mean 'silly' or 'daft', whereas cunt means something like evil and fitlhy. That's how it is.
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Coal said:
Interesting observation.
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Certainly in Scotland the c word is nowhere near as demonised and in fact is often used in affectionate terms. I've a pal who 9 times out of 10 greets me with "Alright, big c***!", my prim and proper mum in her 70s was recently telling an old times story about a friend who was known as Jimmy C***ing as every second word was c***.

Largely joking on the fact that it is used as a term of endearment in the north, my wife and I call each other it all the time. "What's for dinner, ya wee c***?", etc… to the point that sometimes you have to remember in public not to. Obviously any word said in friendly, endearing terms sounds different but I never see it in the way I use it as holding connotations of whatever your garden variety PC warrior would heap on it.

It's all about context. Obviously some white van man, red faced and full of rage shouting "What you looking at ya facking c***!" is different, but is it the word that is the villain there or the entity using it? The more it is used in non-aggressive context the more you rob it of its barbs.

That said, I can't stand comedians or street level idiots who use it for shock value on TV or loudly in public places. Wow! You can say a word everyone says. Big shot, really changed the game there… Bravo!
 
Give it a rest McAvennie ya big c**t .. :)p) ... me and the Mrs have an affectionate routine every morning .. she says "Good morning dick head" and I reply with "That's Mr dick head to you, show some respect" .. I stole the joke from that 80's comedy called 'Class' starring Rob Lowe.
 
Oddly enough I've just been watching the episode of The Larry Sanders Show where Hank calls Larry's girlfriend the C word. That was really funny, but because Hank was so horrified at what he'd just said.
 
min_bannister said:
Well all you people who had side-effects from taking statins should know that it is all in your fluffy little heads you silly billys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37306736
It is backed by a whole range of health organisations so it must be true. Health organisations are never ever sponsored by the drug industry. :BS:
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I think they are a valuable drug I just think a holiday every so often is a good idea.
 
min_bannister said:
Well all you people who had side-effects from taking statins should know that it is all in your fluffy little heads you silly billys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37306736
It is backed by a whole range of health organisations so it must be true. Health organisations are never ever sponsored by the drug industry. :BS:
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And of course none of them ever lie.
 
Back on the subject of statins, I discovered I cannot take statins at all. A bunch of years ago I had a doc tell me I HAD to start taking drugs for my blood pressure and cholesterol or, "You're gonna DIE"! I argued with him and he was quite insistent and I finally relented. I started taking about four or five prescriptions. Within a month or two I developed gout in both feet. Doc insisted none of his drugs was causing it. He prescribed colchisine for the gout, and it did not help. I tried some other drugs and nothing helped. After MONTHS of hobbling around with gouty feet I went back to him and told him I believed one of his pills was causing my gout and he maintained that's IMPOSSIBLE. I wouldn't back down and he got mad and to prove me wrong he went to his giant encyclopedia of drugs. After reading through the long list of drugs and their possible side effects he got to Lipitor. The very last statement in that column said, "Can cause gout". I stopped taking the Lipitor and the gout attack subsided, but I've had arthritis ever since. I've tried other statins since then, because the medical industry can't stand seeing someone with so called high cholesterol, and with each new statin drug I've tried the prescribing doc (WITH knowledge of my statin history) insisted this new drug I'm trying can NOT cause gout. And each time it did. Now, I take no statins, but my joints are badly damaged. It has affected all my joints, feet, ankles, knees, hands and fingers, wrists and elbows.

I would warn anyone and everyone that statin drugs are potentially very dangerous. Personally, I believe they're nothing more than a swindle on the part of Big Pharma. I honestly doubt their claims that statin drugs prevent heart disease and strokes. I doubt their claims on the relationship between cholesterol and heart attacks. There is an obscene amount of money being made and THAT is the motivation behind all this.
 
There's a lot of truth in what you say.
I think a big con is being perpetrated.
I'm on Lipitor (aka Atorvastatin), but I haven't had gout. I did have puffy feet about 10 years ago (not fully fledged gout), but I found that if I laid flat on the sofa with my legs slightly elevated, the problem went away.
My Dad has gout attacks quite frequently, and he's on Lipitor.
 
Old_shoe,

..I honestly doubt their claims that statin drugs prevent heart disease and strokes. I doubt their claims on the relationship between cholesterol and heart attacks...

I would disagree.

I had a minor stroke (TIA) back in 2007. Followed by a possible heart attack.
I had a cholesterol count of 7 at the time. And this was deemed to have caused some problem with heart operation. I turned down the option of having a stent fitted to improve blood flow as a close look at the literature shows the chance of death during the fitting operation is only 300:1 . I wouldn't get on a plane with those odds of reaching the other end of the trip safely, let alone have people fiddle around inside my heart.

Anyway, the first statin I was given did give quite severe muscle cramp. It was changed to another and there has been no problem since. My cholesterol is how at 3. And my blood pressure is quite normal.

INT21
 
INT21 said:
Old_shoe,

..I honestly doubt their claims that statin drugs prevent heart disease and strokes. I doubt their claims on the relationship between cholesterol and heart attacks...

I would disagree.

I had a minor stroke (TIA) back in 2007. Followed by a possible heart attack.
I had a cholesterol count of 7 at the time. And this was deemed to have caused some problem with heart operation. I turned down the option of having a stent fitted to improve blood flow as a close look at the literature shows the chance of death during the fitting operation is only 300:1 . I wouldn't get on a plane with those odds of reaching the other end of the trip safely, let alone have people fiddle around inside my heart.

Anyway, the first statin I was given did give quite severe muscle cramp. It was changed to another and there has been no problem since. My cholesterol is how at 3. And my blood pressure is quite normal.

INT21
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Glad you're doing better now X ..
 
Naughty_Felid said:
I think they are a valuable drug I just think a holiday every so often is a good idea.
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There is evidence to show that if you have already had a heart attack* they can help prevent you from having another. Apart from that there is little or nothing going on them. And of course no-one wants to take drugs that give horrible side effects if that drug may not even help them, so the current drive to persuade people they are imagining those side effects does look a wee bit suspicious.

*And this may only be true for men as drug companies do not like to test their drugs in women because of "hormones". Furthermore heart attacks are under reported in women. Think you know the symptoms of a heart attack? These are the symptoms for a man.

Edit-sorry for getting my rant on but this subject really outrages me.
 
min_bannister said:
There is evidence to show that if you have already had a heart attack* they can help prevent you from having another. Apart from that there is little or nothing going on them. And of course no-one wants to take drugs that give horrible side effects if that drug may not even help them, so the current drive to persuade people they are imagining those side effects does look a wee bit suspicious.

*And this may only be true for men as drug companies do not like to test their drugs in women because of "hormones". Furthermore heart attacks are under reported in women. Think you know the symptoms of a heart attack? These are the symptoms for a man.

Edit-sorry for getting my rant on but this subject really outrages me.
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Didn't come across as ranty to me. :)
 
Mythopoeika said:
There's a lot of truth in what you say.
I think a big con is being perpetrated.
I'm on Lipitor (aka Atorvastatin), but I haven't had gout. I did have puffy feet about 10 years ago (not fully fledged gout), but I found that if I laid flat on the sofa with my legs slightly elevated, the problem went away.
My Dad has gout attacks quite frequently, and he's on Lipitor.
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It gives me feet trouble, some numbness, and leg cramps now and then....but it helps keep the cholesterol low.
 
After my husband died and I had a chest infection the doctor sent me for a battery of tests.
He said I had diabetes and high cholesterol-it was 5 -and although he said it was lower than his he put me on Lipitor.
After 2 tablets I ached and couldn't stand up and walk properly.
On looking up the side effects I stopped taking them and went back the next week and haven't taken them since.
Successive doctors insisted I had diabetes till the latest one, a lovely Chinese lady who examined the results I have been having since that original one 10 years ago, said I don't have it at all.
 
Iris said:
After my husband died and I had a chest infection the doctor sent me for a battery of tests.
He said I had diabetes and high cholesterol-it was 5 -and although he said it was lower than his he put me on Lipitor.
After 2 tablets I ached and couldn't stand up and walk properly.
On looking up the side effects I stopped taking them and went back the next week and haven't taken them since.
Successive doctors insisted I had diabetes till the latest one, a lovely Chinese lady who examined the results I have been having since that original one 10 years ago, said I don't have it at all.
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hmm high cholesterol and diabetes are two different things. A GP would just look at the blood test and then prescribe something to fix it.

GP's are not specialists they are trained to act on bloods, tests and symptoms and take it from there.
 
Well both sugar and cholesterol are apparently normal now.
 
Iris, it's possible that you were 'pre-diabetic', which means you were (at the time) showing some signs of diabetes. Your blood sugar control may have improved since that test, so subsequent tests showed you as free from diabetes.
Keep an eye on your sugar intake and you shouldn't get a re-occurrence.
 
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