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Britain: Police State?

The people are expected to have a strict sense of moral duty and not steal or alter the data.

They are expected to be conditioned so that they 'know' right from wrong and get the feeling that if they do wrong then they will be caught by their peers, bosses or the police or other authorities.

I expect I have the same conditioning and sense of moral duty - so I would not expect them to do any wrong with my data - it would be unthinkable and highly unlikely given what I 'know'.

These days, I do wonder though.

Remember that documentary 'Third Class Mail'? Since then, I send any cheques or letters with personal info like account numbers via special delivery.

Social conditioning relies on making people trust something or a system of things.

We trust in the authorities and we trust in those holding our data - it would go against our moral code of duty and our sense of right and wrong for them to do anything bad with our data - therefore it is unthinkable and highly unlikely that they would.

We have had no experience that would teach us otherwise.

We trust in our government not to do anything bad with our tax money and not to do anything that would compromise our freedom or rights or way of life - because it goes against what we know is right and wrong; and is therefore unthinkable and highly unlikely to happen.

If there were an evil genius in the world he would surely be laughing at us so hard he would get stomach cramps.

I'm reminded in part of The Master who will be appearing in tonights episode of Dr Who.

Also of the evil genius in The New Adventures of Superman who told Lois Lane about Clark and the spectacles.
 
Some interesting things in this BBC article.

BBC

And a minor snipper

AIS also used firms of "blaggers". Put simply, these were con artists who impersonated someone in a official capacity to trick information from a subject. On at least one occasion, AIS asked a blagger to pretend to be a doctor in order to glean personal medical histories.

Gelsthorpe told the court that "seemed like fair play" to him.

Clients varied. Some were individuals - often suspicious spouses.

These were known as OTS enquiries - for "(A bit) On The Side".

Others were companies. They included a multi-million pound waste disposal company, a transport company and a prestige bathroom firm.

The whole article is interesting, specifically how quickly the various systems in place fall apart due to human frailty. In the end, it would appear that if some-one wants your data desperately enough they will find a way.
 
A SURVEILLANCE SOCIETY?

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'Q89 Mrs Dean: Are you able to say who has the worst protection of data?
Mr Hughes: You cannot plead the fifth in the UK.'

'We work and live in an enforcement and compliance culture in the United States.'

'Q94 Chairman: Recently we had a case where one bank sent 60,000 customers' names on a disk through the ordinary post. Does that sort of thing still happen in the States?'
'I think that in the case of both ChoicePoint and TJ Maxx - I understand that it has a different name in the UK but it is also a US company - criminals managed to infiltrate their systems, one through just a human exploit, saying they were people they were not and getting data, the other by sitting in a parking lot and catching wireless data on a device as it was going from store to store. In those cases the intent was harm; it was identity theft. They were trying to get credit card data in order to run up charges, but those are two of probably a few hundred notices of security breaches that we have seen in the past couple of years.'

'Q126 Mr Browne: Would you give details of individual items? Let us say it is relevant to a court case. Assume somebody has denied being on a certain diet or has been of a certain weight. I am trying to think of a good example. Let us assume the person has bought some pornography, or whatever else it may be. You may disclose not just the location. If the individual items the consumer has bought are relevant to the case you will be willing to share that with the police, subject to the criteria that you explained?
Mr Eland: I think the process is that a request is made by the police and we will respond to that. There is no obligation to provide it, but my understanding is that in the long term they can acquire it ultimately through a court order. The approach we take is to ensure that the request is justifiable and, more importantly, that it does not require more data than is necessary for the purposes they require it. We will then make a decision as to whether we think it is appropriate to pass on that data'

'Q138 Mr Winnick: Mr Eland, in the paper that you have circulated you refer to the analysis of Tesco Clubcard being managed by Dunnhumby. You explain why and so on. In the course of that document - this is related to some extent to the questions put by Mr Browne - you write: "At no stage do we ask Dunnhumby to analyse information on individuals. This information is accessed only at the request of the Home Office or the individual customer." Leaving aside the individual customer, what is the relationship between the information that you collect and the Home Office?'

Some interesting stuff on commercial data collection here...


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... c50802.htm
 
An interesting use of the cameras already in-situ.

Under the new rules, anti-terror officers will be able to view pictures in "real time" from Transport for London's (Tfl) 1,500 cameras, which use Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology to link cars with owners' details.

But they will only be able to use the data for national security purposes and not to fight ordinary crime, the Home Office stressed.

The director of the human rights group Liberty, Shami Chakrabati, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme access to information from cameras should depend on the severity of a crime.

She described the proposed use of information from cameras across the country by police as "probably disproportionate".

"I would want to know that more is going to be done to get the proportionality right," she added.

The Metropolitan Police will produce an annual report for the Information Commissioner, the government's data protection watchdog who oversees how material from CCTV cameras is used.

And from an earlier paragraph:

Under the proposals, anti-terror officers will be exempted from parts of the Data Protection Act.

Source

An interesting one. Feature/usage creep or nothing to worry about?
 
I think that the real time monitoring etc is ok, probably a good thing really.

The exemption from the Data Protection Act makes my 'spidey sense' tingle a bit though.
 
this might or might not scare 'criminals'... but it sure as hell creeps me out as a concept... have they been watching too many episodes of The Prisoner?

'Talking cameras' to tell off yobs

'TALKING cameras' will soon be used to verbally confront those seen committing street crime in Bridlington under a new attempt to tackle anti-social behaviour.
Six CCTV cameras in known crime hotspots in the resort have been fitted with speakers allowing their operators to speak directly to offenders from the safety of their control room.

The three-month pilot scheme, the first of its kind in the East Riding, aims to reduce low-level crime, such as litter dropping, and play a role in tackling more serious offences including violence and disorder.

East Riding Council, which will run the project with its partners in the East Riding Safe Communities initiative, has said the system will "enable verbal advice to be given in incidents before they happen or while they are happening to discourage escalation".

John Sanderson, group manager of the council's Safe Communities project, said a similar scheme operating in Middlesbrough had produced positive results.

He said: "The main things we are trying to tackle is violent crime and criminal damage.

"If the camera picks up a fracas outside a pub or club which the doormen are trying to calm down and it looks like it might escalate, the operator can say 'The man in the red shirt. You are on camera, stop what you are doing and get yourself home'.

"It has been found to be very successful in Middlesbrough.

"They have found it reduces the number of fights and if it happens it tends to make it stop more quickly and makes onlookers less likely to get involved.

"We'd rather people didn't fight at all, but if this can reduce the seriousness of people's injuries it has to be a good thing."

The cameras included in the scheme are in Queen Street, Prince Street, Promenade, Esplanade and Garrison Square.

They will be monitored and operated by police officers during peak periods.

Councillor Jane Evison, the council's portfolio holder for cultural services and tourism, said she hoped the scheme would help reclaim parts of the town for law-abiding citizens and help boost business in the area.

She said: "It's only a small area of Bridlington that has a particular problem but it does have an impact.

"People being aware there may be trouble there will stay away and it causes a loss of income.

"This is a very new approach to CCTV and we are hoping that it will have a great impact. People will be aware they are being seen and that has to be good news for business.

"It will encourage people to feel safe in the area and they will know
they can go there without coming to any harm."

In 2006, 24 per cent of violent crimes and 19 per cent of criminal damage offences recorded in the East Riding took place in Bridlington.

Almost 24 per cent – 260 offences – of violent crime and just under 10 per cent of criminal damage offences recorded in Bridlington happened in the areas covered by the pilot project, which cost about £8,000 to set up.

Not all are impressed by the scheme, however.

A spokeswoman for civil liberties and human rights watchdog Liberty said: "The Home Office has already poured 78 per cent of the crime prevention budget into CCTV over the last decade without assessing its effectiveness.

"Surely this money would be better spent on a proven crime deterrent such as more police officers on our streets rather than a gimmick like talking cam-eras."

The scheme is expected to be launched on July 26.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/localnew ... id=3046865
 
maybe this will work out the same way the cs gas spray did - touted as a 'soft option' for armed violent criminals... then one of the first recorded usages was against a woman who objected to having her children taken away from her...

New rules widen police use of Taser stun guns

POLICE in West Yorkshire are able to use Taser stun guns on members of the public in a wider range of circumstances from today.
Currently in England, only firearms officers can use the high-voltage weapons in circumstances when they would have used a conventional firearm.

Now the Home Office has announced the officers will be able to use the stun gun in less serious incidents but still only when faced with violence or threats of violence.

From September, non-firearms officers will also be able to use the weapon for the first time.

A 12-month pilot scheme will begin in 10 forces,
allowing ordinary officers to carry the stun gun after training.

More than 3,000 of the devices, which temporarily disable a suspect by delivering a 50,000-volt shock, have been distributed to firearms officers since their introduction in 2004.

Amnesty International has opposed use of the US-manufactured weapons, claiming they can be lethal.

Police minister Tony McNulty said: "Police officers put themselves in harm's way every day and I want them to have the equipment they need to protect themselves and the public.

"Taser gives police an additional tactical option that is less lethal than conventional firearms and its use can help resolve incidents and limit the incidence of serious injury."

The trials are taking place in forces in West Yorkshire, Avon & Somerset, Devon & Cornwall, Gwent, Lincolnshire, Merseyside, Metropolitan, Northamptonshire, Northumbria and North Wales.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... id=3049104
 
Interesting piece from Spiked, examines the film (and book) Taking Liberties.

Freedom has become a dirty word. So dirty, in fact, that there is now a brand of toilet paper called ‘Freedom’. Seriously. You can buy it at Tesco. It’s light blue, perfumed and it has the word ‘Freedom’ emblazoned across its packaging. What’s that all about? Freedom from skidmarks? ‘Man’s butt cheeks are born clean, but everywhere they are being stained!’ You can now literally wipe your arse with ‘Freedom’.

When the f-word is not being used to advertise all manner of toilet products (you can also enjoy ‘Freedom Tampons’ or liberate the whiffy bits of your home with an air freshener called ‘Freedom in Fragrance’), it is being bastardised to mean its precise opposite. The war on terror promises us ‘freedom from fear’. This actually means sacrificing free speech, free movement and universal legal principles such as Habeas Corpus, in the name of countering the threat posed by a conspiracy of dunces: that ragbag collection of overgrown, woe-is-us Islamist-adultescents who occasionally throw terror tantrums (or at least they would, if they knew how to wire a car bomb properly).

Source
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
maybe this will work out the same way the cs gas spray did - touted as a 'soft option' for armed violent criminals... then one of the first recorded usages was against a woman who objected to having her children taken away from her...
Most UK Police Forces use PAVA (pepper spray) because CS (being a gas) is prone to "blow back" on the user or other innocent people.

Regarding the poor woman who was having her children taken away from her, what were the full facts of this emotive incident? The authorities do not remove children to a place of safety on a whim. If she attacked a police officer, the first option is the spray. Before it's introduction she would probably have been subdued physically, perhaps by the use of a baton.

If I have PAVA and you attempt to injure me or another person - I'll spray you.
 
The buggers at it again...

Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter.

The demand for a huge expansion of powers to take DNA comes as a government watchdog announced the first public inquiry into the national DNA database.

There is growing concern among MPs and civil liberties groups about the number of children under 10 and young black men on the database — the biggest in the world. But a number of police forces in England and Wales are backing proposals that would add millions more samples to it.

The Association of Chief Police Officers gave a warning, however, that allowing police to take samples for non-recordable offences — crimes for which offenders cannot be imprisoned — might be perceived as indicative of “the increasing criminalisation of the generally law-abiding public”.


Source


Errmm - no shit sherlock, of course folks will be mightily pissed off.
 
Yet again a case of stating the bleeding obvious, more on the scope will be known soon as I think this is coming out to tender very soon.

Road tolls 'must respect privacy'

Drivers' privacy must be properly protected if local road charging schemes are to be introduced across England, a committee of MPs has said.
There was a "legitimate concern" about intrusion and "tough" guidelines were needed to address public fears.

Information should be shared across Europe if charges are to be collected from foreign drivers, MPs said.

Public consultation was fundamental and councils should not be able to "ignore" residents' concerns, they added.

The Commons transport committee has been examining the draft Local Transport Bill, which updates rules for councils which want to set up their own charging trials.

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Once again, Henry Porter takes on the subject of forceful (if necessary) DNA collection and suggests the slide to the Police State.

Each DNA swab brings us closer to a police state


The move to widen the UK genetic database is yet another example of a relentless desire to monitor every aspect of our everyday lives

Henry Porter
Sunday August 5, 2007
The Observer


An elderly lady called a BBC Wales radio phone-in programme on which I was a guest last week to say that she wouldn't mind in the slightest if she was stopped and ordered to submit to a DNA test when her dog fouled the pavement. 'Everyone should give their DNA to the police,' she said before the discussion was cut short.
There wasn't time to talk about the sinister absurdity of sanctioning a law that compels old ladies to offer up a mouth swab, whether they want to or not. No time to state that the Home Office and police are engaged on a programme to introduce mass DNA testing by stealth. No time to wonder at the complete absence of parliamentary debate on this crucial issue of liberty. No time to ask whether we can truly trust the police; or to consider what the relatively new science of genetics may be used for in the future; or to wonder at the alarming disappearance of the liberal reflex in British political life.

The show ended and we were on to the news and traffic updates. People were more worried about a lorry blocking the M4. There were supermarkets to visit, jobs to be done, planes to be caught. But before we all shut up shop for the holidays, it is worth underlining one sentence that needs to be written in neon across every town centre: Britain is on the way to becoming a police state.
Writing about the crisis of liberty in Britain, I have been careful not to use these words, but today I see no other conclusion to draw. Taken in the context of the ID card database, the national surveillance of vehicles and retention of information about every individual motorway journey, the huge number of new criminal offences, the half million intercepts of private communications every year, the proposed measures to take 53 pieces of information from everyone wishing to go abroad, which will include powers to prevent travel, this widening of the DNA database for minor misdemeanours confirms the pattern of attack on us all. It is time to pay attention to what the government under Labour has done to British society and what may be awaiting us just a short distance down the road.

Some will say I am being alarmist, but they should consider what we have lost since the mid-Nineties. The inventory of freedoms is eroded every week with measures and laws that individually seem just about acceptable but which accrue to alter the nature of a society where rights and liberty were believed to be as natural as summer rain. People might be reassured by Gordon Brown's talk of a constitutional settlement and a new Bill of Rights, but they should look at his statist views and what is happening in the Home Office, surely one of the most incompetent of the ministries, yet, with its vision for a totally controlled society, also one of the most malign?

Our liberal society is threatened because we don't think it is. This crisis is a crisis because we have not yet acknowledged it.

Let me explain why extension of the database should worry us all. The taking of a swab from a person's mouth - by force when necessary - and retaining that sample indefinitely, whether that person has committed a crime or not, is a very serious intrusion. The state owns and has access to the essence of that individual's being. In the future, it may share the information with whom it likes, investigate the as yet unknown secrets of that sample and make deductions which are prejudicial to that individual or the individual's blood relations. Once on the DNA database, a person is regarded as being in a pool of potential criminals and in an oblique way likely to be guilty of something or other.

DNA is a very useful tool in solving serious crime, but to force people to give a sample because they are not wearing a seatbelt, have littered or let their dog foul a pavement is wrong because it is a measure designed to increase the database, driven by a bureaucratic rather than judicial imperative. In the words of Alex Marshall, deputy chief constable of Thames Valley Police: 'Extending the taking of samples to all offences may be perceived as indicative of the increasing criminalisation of the generally law-abiding citizen.

That is exactly right. Any democratic society with a respect for rights must strike a balance between the needs of crime detection and the principle that a person's privacy is inviolate and their basic innocence unaffected even when they have committed a minor misdemeanour. To compel the sampling of DNA from someone who has driven past a stop sign is a greater offence to society than driving past the stop sign.

The cynical minds of the Home Office concede that the DNA database is inadequate - that the proportion of young black men represented is unacceptable, that the presence of 90,000 innocent minors is regrettable. They argue that these 'anomalies' would disappear if everyone was on the database and DNA was taken at birth as matter of routine. Very well, let the matter of a compulsory national DNA database come before Parliament. Better still, let it become the subject of a referendum so that each party takes a clear stand one way or the other. This is a very important issue which we are letting slip from our grasp. It surely won't be long before someone at the Home Office suggests a DNA sample is added to the information on the ID card database. Indeed, I would guess that is already part of their long-term planning.

Overall, our concern must be that we are allowing the state to accumulate too much power over the individual. The more that power is concentrated, the more likely it is to be abused. On the morning that the Home Office announced the proposals for extending the database, two police officers in Nottingham were found guilty of leaking intelligence to a gangster named Colin Gunn and in London the Independent Police Complaints Commission found that Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman had misled the public about the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes.

These cases underline that police officers are not beyond unlawful or irregular behaviour. If DNA evidence was available during the 1974 Birmingham or Guildford bombings, it seems likely that the police would have used samples to clinch convictions, which would then have been that much harder to overturn. DNA evidence goes unchallenged in court and as the database expands clearly the opportunities to 'fit up' suspects will increase.

The vast majority of police officers are upstanding servants of the community, which is how I'd like them to remain. But too much power will change that.

As a nation, we need to have more confidence in people's ability to determine the course of society during difficult times. In an excellent article in the Daily Telegraph, Janet Daley commented on the ingenuity of and the sacrifice made by ordinary people during the floods. She ended with a suggested sentence for David Cameron's speech writers. 'It is because of that faith we have in ordinary people and their ability to do the right thing that we want to entrust them with more power over their lives and communities.'

We begin by resisting this demonic move to criminalise us with this database.


[email protected].


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnis ... 60,00.html
 
'The state owns and has access to the essence of that individual's being. In the future, it may share the information with whom it likes, investigate the as yet unknown secrets of that sample and make deductions which are prejudicial to that individual or the individual's blood relations. Once on the DNA database, a person is regarded as being in a pool of potential criminals and in an oblique way likely to be guilty of something or other.'

Sorry, but that just sounds ridiculous IMHO. Too much speculation, for a start. Has he any evidence at all that the intent of the DNA database is to do such things, or is it something that springs entirely from his imagination?
 
Jerry_B said:
...or is it something that springs entirely from his imagination?
Imagination is good.

If we can imagine the downside of any innovation, we will be prepared to spot it and hopefully stop it if it actually starts to happen.

Assuming that the Great and the Good have our welfare at heart may well prove to be an illusion.
 
rynner said:
Imagination is good.

If we can imagine the downside of any innovation, we will be prepared to spot it and hopefully stop it if it actually starts to happen.

Assuming that the Great and the Good have our welfare at heart may well prove to be an illusion.

True but if we obsess about the negatives in every change we might put ourselves in danger of paralysis. Also there is a tendency to ascribe only the very worst of motives to the Great and the Good and assuming that they never have our welfare at heart, as many do, is closer to a prescription for dictatorship than anything cited as evidence of a police state in this thread.
 
I don't think of 'obsession' or 'paralysis'.

To use a nautical analogy, it's all about keeping a good look-out, watching for trouble on the horizon, and being prepared for a change in the weather.

It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the voyage while the sun shines and the wind is fair, though! :D


My current reading is "Cold Hit", by Stephen J. Cannell. At first it seemed like an ordinary police procedural about hunting for a serial killer in Los Angeles. But this is set in the present, the world of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, and when a suspicion of foreign involvement in the murders arise, the FBI muscle in - and at one point actually arrest three of LAPD's finest and lock 'em up incommunicado for several hours! :shock:

It's a rattling read, but also provides some good insights into what it's like when even the Police are not safe from the Police State, and all the rights and freedoms we used to take for granted can be brushed aside on grounds of alleged 'National Security'. Recommended reading.


So I'm keeping a weather eye on those ominous-looking clouds on the horizon...
 
Retention of profiles

Retaining profiles of the unconvicted and uncharged has
led to profiles from a greater proportion of the population
being held on the NDNAD and has been criticised. This
has been the subject of a Judicial Review (Box 3). The
Information Commissioner for Scotland believes that the
indefinite retention of DNA profiles of individuals arrested
but not convicted of any offence, and where there are no
longer any policing concerns about them, is an ongoing
intrusion into their private lives6. Under present Scottish
Law, an individual’s profile is removed from the Scottish
database and the NDNAD following acquittal. It is argued
by the Home Office that the benefits of retaining profiles
can be clearly demonstrated. Around 181,000 DNA
profiles currently held on the Database would have been
removed prior toh CJPA 2001 (Box 2). Of these, 8,251
(5%) have been linked with crime scene samples relating
to 13,709 offences including over 570 serious offences
such as murder, attempted murder and rape.1 Further,
following CJA 2003 (Box 2), DNA profiles of thousands
of arrestees who have not been proceeded against have
been linked to crime scene profiles including serious
offences8. DNA profiles have been linked with crime
scene profiles relating to over 3,000 offences including
37 murders, 16 attempted murders, 90 rapes , 92 drugrelated
offences and 1,136 burglary offences1.

ttp://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/postpn258.pdf

There is a case (perhaps) for retention.
 
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffa ... 56,00.html

Unpaid fines may stop people leaving UK

· Home Office plan outlined in 'e-borders' scheme
· Huge amounts of data likely to be produced

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Monday August 6, 2007
The Guardian

Tens of thousands of people who have failed to pay court fines amounting to more than £487m would be banned from leaving the country under new powers outlined by the Home Office. Ministers are also looking at ways of using the new £1.2bn "e-borders" programme to collect more than £9m owed in health treatment charges by foreign nationals who have left the country without paying.
The programme, to be phased in from October next year, will also allow the creation of a centralised "no-fly" list of air-rage or disruptive passengers which can be circulated to airlines.

The e-borders programme requires airlines and ferry companies to submit up to 50 items of data on each passenger between 24 and 48 hours before departure to and from the UK. With 200 million passenger movements in and out of the UK last year to and from 266 overseas airports on 169 airlines, an enormous amount of data is expected to be generated by the programme.
Passenger numbers are expected to rise to 305 million a year by 2015 and ministers claim the £1.2bn programme is the only way to provide a comprehensive record of all those seeking to enter and leave the UK. The immigration minister, Liam Byrne, claims that the programme will create a kind of border control, with information being passed to police and security services before passengers board a plane, boat or train: "It will create a new, offshore line of defence - helping genuine travellers, but stopping those who pose a risk before they travel."

However, the long-term nature of the programme means that by 2009 only half the passenger movements in and out of Britain will be logged in the e-borders computers, and even by 2011 coverage will have reached only 95%.

A Home Office assessment of the secondary legislation that is being used to implement the programme gives some early indications of who, other than suspected terrorists and international criminals, will be on the British no-fly list and be banned from travelling to and from the country. It floats the idea that provisions should be introduced to ban travel overseas for the tens of thousands of offenders who have not paid outstanding court fines or failed to discharge confiscation orders made against them. Although no official estimate exists of the number of people who have to pay court fines the amount they owe has now reached a record £487m, with a further £300m in unpaid confiscation orders.

Passengers will be further encouraged in future to book their tickets and check in online. Other suggested benefits of the e-borders programme include easier identification of those who falsely claim non-domicile or non-resident status to avoid UK income tax, thought to be costing as much as £2bn a year, and those who wrongly claim social security benefits despite having left the country.

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Sounds good! Too good to be true, perhaps...?

Just make sure you don't get a speeding ticket or a parking fine before you go on holiday! :twisted:
 
It's a great idea if it works - imagine the amount of chavs unable to go to Falriki or Budapest and sully the good British name if they are banned from going because they hadn't paid their fines.

If it works.
 
Assuming of course the data is accurate. Can they prove it? Can you complain if you are barred from flying?

Anyway...

There was a five-fold rise in the number of stop-and-searches under counter terror laws in the wake of the attempted car bomb attacks in London.

The Metropolitan Police said 10,948 people were stopped and searched in July. The average monthly figure for 2006/7 was 2,114.

The Met also said it was increasing the use of stop-and-search powers as a part of its anti-terrorism campaign.

Civil rights group Liberty said it was "a waste of valuable police resources".

The latest figures also show the number of stop and searches in London under the Terrorism Act 2000 has risen from 13,519 in 2004/5 to 25,374 in 2006/7.

'Untold damage'

The powers, under section 44 of the act, allow officers to randomly stop people providing they are in an area deemed to be a potential target for terrorists.

Unlike the main stop-and-search powers, officers do not need to prove they had "reasonable suspicion" of the individual.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6932796.stm

So, are the police doing their jobs properly with these checks or would they be better off relying on intelligence information? More interestingly, if report indicate that the checks are over used then why step them up?
 
The Information Commissioner's Office - the UK public body tasked with protecting ordinary individuals from abuses by the rapidly-multiplying organisations which hold personal data - has today "published new guidance to help individuals understand how and why their personal information may be shared by organisations."

As the Financial Times noted yesterday, most of us nowadays leave a substantial electronic and paper trail which can be used in ways we might not expect. Well, not if we had our eyes shut and our fingers in our ears, anyway. Someone who is wanted by the cops and then goes to the supermarket and asks for the points on their loyalty card - and is then surprised to find the police waiting in the car park - is surely too ignorant to survive as a criminal. Likewise a crook who would continue to use his Oyster card on London public transport.

Not many people would have trouble with that sort of thing, at least not in the case of serious criminals. But obviously there has to be some kind of limit on the process. A cop with a normal warrant from a judge - fine. A spook with a secret warrant from a politician - well, maybe. But what about a repo man? Or a cop or spook with no oversight, who can track you merely because he feels like it, or because a computer has profiled you as dodgy in some way, or some lying nark of theirs has fingered you as a terrorist?

What about when you find it more expensive to get a mortgage, because you use the bus a lot and the lenders decide that bus users are more likely to default on loans? What if, in general, poor people began to find everything more expensive as a result of burgeoning databases?

What about when private detectives buy or hack databases, and search them for individuals? Uh-oh. Those guys can be working for anybody - your hateful ex-spouse, your mad bunny-boiling ex-lover, your business rivals, that guy you got in a flame war with last month. May be they are that guy. Bad news.

It's an argument that the Information Commissioner's Office has often made, referring to the danger of the "Surveillance Society" that could develop over the coming decade. Their point, essentially, is that you can't just trust big organisations of any kind to deal squarely with you - and as an individual in the UK you do have certain rights under the Data Protection Act. Essentially, anyone holding data on you ought to make sure that the info is:

Fairly and lawfully processed

• Processed for limited purposes

• Adequate, relevant and not excessive

• Accurate and up to date

• Not kept for longer than is necessary

• Processed in line with your rights

• Secure

And of course,

• Not transferred to other countries without adequate protection

Arguably, the spooks at MI5 have busted a lot of these guidelines in recent times, when they told American spies that Bisher al-Rawi, Jamil el-Banna, and Abdallah el-Janoudi had left the UK for the Gambia and that they had previously been arrested in possession of parts for a car bomb.

Source

So sort it out yourself seems to be the bottom line here.
 
RoboCop ;)

Beat officers to use head cameras
Beat officers in Cambridgeshire will use head-mounted video cameras to help in the fight against crime.
The move comes after police officers in Essex used the devices on the beat earlier this year to record evidence of people causing trouble.

The tiny £1,800 cameras, each the size of an AA battery, will be fitted onto the side of the officers' headgear.

Police say the clearly visible cameras will act as a deterrent as well as an aid to gathering evidence.

A Cambridgeshire police spokeswoman said: "Having head cameras at our disposal would undoubtedly be welcomed by officers in Cambridge and the surrounding area.

This can only be an advantage to officers - and potentially the courts - when examining the circumstances of an incident
Cambs police spokeswoman

"It would give us considerable advantages in the detection and prevention of crime, as well as evidential benefits.

"By seeing an incident filmed from the viewpoint of an officer on the ground it may be possible to detect the attitude of those involved and how co-operative they are.

"This can only be an advantage to officers - and potentially the courts - when examining the circumstances of an incident."

The cameras have enough memory to record an officer's full patrol and footage is downloaded on a computer.

The video images can be used in court as evidence to support a prosecution, or in support of an application for an anti-social behaviour order (Asbo).

Helmet cameras have already been trialled by forces in Wales, Sussex, the London borough of Haringey, Northampton, Greater Manchester and Merseyside.

Officers in Plymouth said the cameras led to an 85% increase in arrests for violent crime.



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I wonder if the cop can turn them off? Or are they only turned on as required? I'm fairly sure that there are somethings you don't need recording (toilet stops?).
 
I am willing to bet that in future, some of the footage will turn up in a prime time 'People do the most amazingly stupid things' type of programme.

I find it quite disheartening that CCTV and police patrol footage which should be regarded as evidence appears in shows like these.

EDIT: On the other side of the coin, does this form of spontaneous recording of incidents mean that there'll be more bobbies on the beat or is the idea just to monitor the threatening behaviour experienced by the police, traffic wardens (sorry, Parking Ambassadors) etc?
 
Not specifically 'Britain as a police state' material but not unrleated

'Predictive' security system plan

A 'Minority Report' security system that can remotely screen thousands of air passengers for any who are planning a terrorist attack is being developed in the US. The aim of Project Hostile Intent (PHI) is to find a way of catching would-be terrorists when they are just thinking of committing a crime.

A battery of lasers, cameras, eye trackers and microphones would be used to spot tiny changes in facial expression, pulse, perspiration, and gait that give away 'current or future hostile intentions'. After tests at a handful of air and sea ports and border checkpoints the system could be deployed at all US entry points by 2012. But critics claim PHI is unworkable. One British expert compared it with Minority Report, the sci-fi movie starring Tom Cruise in which police arrest the perpetrators of future crimes predicted by psychics.

The system is being developed by scientists working for the US Department of Homeland Security, New Scientist magazine reported.

It would employ some of the techniques already used in polygraph lie detectors and by security staff trained in recognising body language.

But PHI would have to operate remotely, screening thousands of passengers having their bags checked or waiting to show their passports, most of whom will be innocent.

Computers would be used to carry out a rapid assessment of all the data received. Identified individuals would be apprehended and led off to be interviewed by security officers.

Since 2003, a system called Screening Passengers through Observation Techniques (Spot) has already been used at airports in the US. It uses trained 'behaviour detection officers' who have been taught how to recognise suspicious 'micro-expressions' in people milling around airports that may signify guilt or deception.

Spot has had some success and ensnared drug dealers, money launderers and one double murderer. However it is expensive, labour intensive and time consuming. PHI is intended to automate Spot while at the same time increasing the number of signals that can be investigated.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/s ... ws_itnnews
 
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The Police Federation said that imposing targets was causing them (the police) "to criminalise middle England".

I do consider London the "test tube" of the country.
 
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The Police Federation said that imposing targets was causing them (the police) "to criminalise middle England".

I do consider London the "test tube" of the country.

Very worrying. At the same time, it doesn't make a lot of sense either. Isn't there supposed to be a serious problem with the police spending a disproportionate amount of their time on paper work relating to arrests and paperwork generally already? That's one of the reasons why they are not on the streets arresting more people now? It's alright telling them to arrest more people, but when?

I hate the fact that the government love to hand out targets to the police, teachers, NHS &c but are totally fucking incapable of meeting their own deadlines and targets.
 
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