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Cats Stolen To Make Gloves / For The Fur Trade?

Mattattattatt

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OK, is it true that people steal pet cats in order to make gloves? I remember the last alledged speight of "kit"-nappings happening about 12 years ago when my sister's cat (who later returned) was missing for a couple of days. Someone said to her "You've got to watch out - there's people stealing them for the fur".

Of course, this sounds wrong all these years later, but I've heard it a couple of times...

Anyone else heard of such mog-rippers?
 
i once met a man who would kill for pussy, but thats something else all together.

its no joke there's big money to be made in stolen pets. i know cats like bengal kittens sell for hundreds of pounds and where there's money there's a black market im sure there's some sort of reality behind it.
 
Lately it's been more popular to blame missing cats on those pesky satanic cults.

Do they really make gloves (or anything else) out of cat fur? The only car fur I've ever seen that wasn't on a cat was years ago in school. A science teacher had a cat pelt that he used in static electricity demonstrations.
 
Cats skins are popular in Germany to ward off rhuematism . I'm sure I read somewhere though that cat stealing for the fur trade was a myth , most missing cats are run over or killed by people or dogs . If you cycle a lot you get to see a hell of a lot of cats rotting under hedges . It would be very difficult to steal enough perfectly matching cats to make a coat anyway!
 
Over the last thirty years, there have been various claims that cats were being cat-napped. Most claims, seemed to be based on an unusual number of domestic cats being reported as disappearing, with no further proof.

In the mid to late 70's, with the fashionable "fun fur"coat there were claims that they were made of cat fur & UK cats were providing at least some of that fur!!!! I don't know if this was ever proved, but I do remember a local dodgy character having to leave town, having been beaten up several times, as he was suspected of cat-napping.

The latest scare seems to involve "stuffed cat" decorations from China, sold in some shops & at car boot sales, which while looking vaguely life like, are suposed to be made of rabbit fur!!!!!

Did anyone ask the rabbit's permission first?
 
A non-cat interruption

A local-to-where-I-was-staying-then Chinese takeaway closed for a couple of weeks, some years ago. Rumour at the time had it that several Alsatian skins had been found in the rubbish......
:cross eye

No moggies, though :)
 
I remember mention of a takeaway in Gloucester being closed for that very reason during the '80s, was it that one?

http://www.cathate.co.uk/gleanings.htm
Mystery of the cats that Vanish at Night
Paul Sieveking on the disturbing disappearance of our feline friends

IN THE past two months, more than 30 cats have vanished from Hardwicke, Abbeydale and Quedgeley in the neighbourhood of Gloucester. Most went missing when people let their pets out for the night. One clue was the sighting of a white Ford Transit van emblazoned with the words "Bristol Animal Sanctuary" in amateurish red lettering. Inquiries showed that no such place existed.
At 7.45am on May 14, a tall, thin man was spotted putting a cat in a potato sack at Tredworth and driving off in a black Ford Sierra at high speed. At the end of May, reports of seized cats were pouring in from the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire. In Coleford, a group of children saw two women, one with a blue rinse, drive up in a dark blue saloon car. They grabbed a ginger cat which kicked and struggled and shoved it into the car before making off at speed.
In February, the Teesside Cats Protection League said that 450 cats had gone missing in the area in less than two years. In Telford that month, about 40 black and white cats disappeared. In January, it was the turn of Redruth and Trispen in Cornwall to be visited by the phantom cat-snatchers.
Pet-napping scares occur regularly round the country. In May last year, there was a spate of thefts along the North Wales coast. It was suggested that some cats were used for vivisection experiments or in badger baiting to lure badgers out of their setts.
More than 125 cats disappeared from the Clevedon area of Avon in February and March 1995. Many pet owners feared that their pets were being skinned for the fur trade and ending up as hats in eastern Europe.
Paula Greaves of Petsearch, which tries to reunite owners and pets, was quoted this May as saying: "Thefts are growing. We know hundreds of owners who have missing cats. We believe many of the animals are winding up on the Continent where cat pelts can fetch up to £33.50 each."
A spokesman for the RSPCA, while confirming the disappearances, pointed out that it seemed a lot of trouble to snatch cats in Britain for the European mainland when there was no shortage there to begin with.
Gangs of pet-snatchers supplying pelts for shady and unscrupulous foreign furriers - or meat for fiendish oriental restaurateurs - constitute a well-established theme in urban folklore. In Strange Cults and Secret Societies of Modern London (1934), Elliott O'Donnell relates rumours of cat-snatchers who skinned the animals alive and sold the skins to "foreign Jewish fur merchants".
While the poor financial returns suggest that an international trade in stolen cats is unlikely, there are actual examples of this trade in other countries. Following reports of cats disappearing from Mexican cities in May 1994, for instance, investigators for the World Society for the Protection of Animals discovered that children were being paid a dollar for each cat that they stole.
The animals were stuffed into cloth bags and drowned; then embalmed and shipped to four US importers who supplied them for dissection in high schools, veterinary and medical schools.
The following December, investigators from the same outfit announced that stray pets in the Ukraine were being clubbed, gassed or poisoned to supply a thriving fur trade in cat and dog skins. People in Odessa were paid cash for catching strays, resulting in 14,000 cats and 8,000 dogs being killed each year. They were tacitly supported by local authorities who set "kill quotas".
In Kiev, people could make nearly 50 cents per skin and the trade was neither regulated nor controlled, resulting in many pets being killed along with the strays. The carcasses were sold as food for pets and mink farms or to soap makers.
The Gloucestershire stories were originally from The Citizen newspaper from that county during 1997. That snopes website will probably say it's all bollocks, though.

Unsurprisingly, there are quite a lot of other cat related stories at http://www.cathate.co.uk/
 
Justin Anstey said:
I remember mention of a takeaway in Gloucester being closed for that very reason during the '80s, was it that one?

No, a lot further north (I don't get around much ... :) ), but the right time-frame. UL?
 
I've heard tell, and the source is not unimpeachable, that many "vanished" cats are victims of adolescent urban foxes and badgers. (i.e. those just thrown out of the set/holt hungry and unaware of how painful it is to catch a cat)

I think the legend that they are taken by vivisectionists/fur traders has always been just that. I mean why go to the risk? Just watch your local paper for "Kittens - free to good homes" ads and bingo!
 
Re: A non-cat interruption

DerekH said:
A local-to-where-I-was-staying-then Chinese takeaway closed for a couple of weeks, some years ago. Rumour at the time had it that several Alsatian skins had been found in the rubbish......
:cross eye

There was a Chinese near to me that had a similar story attached to it. Apparently the food hygiene people raided the place and found a load of dead Alsations hanging up in the cellar. This would have been early '80s.
 
Justin Anstey said:
How does one go about stealing Alsatians?
You walk slowly towards the alsatian with your hand outstretched. you make low voiced encouraging noises.

When the alsatian bites your hand you quickly put it in the bag you were holding with the other. This only works if you have a plentiful supply of hands. :D
 
I've heard of the satanic cat napping thing .There was a phase in my home town where cats were being skinned alive , pinned to trees with inverted pentagrams carved into the flesh (so the story went at school).
Another theory was the old story of the local chinese using them inculding someone finding cat hair in their meal.
The other theory was that a black van was seen in the neighbourhood at night , they were stealing cats to use in medical and comestic experiements.
 
I find cat hair in my meal every night, and occasionally a cat's face if I'm having tuna. Doesn't make me a felinovore though. ;)
 
Nah, they have a completely different diet from rabbit, they'd taste more like.. erm...some other carnivore. My cat would taste very sweet. :cross eye
 
This UL seems to have died off in recent years. Its clearly nonsense, as it would be much easier to farm cats than to hunt them, even if there was a demnd for the fur. Also there are large colonies of feral cats which no-one would miss(indeed environmental health agencies often cull them), rather than going for pets.

I've always thought that the 'motivation' behind this UL was that cars are the biggest predator of domestic cats, but in our car worshipping culture this is (yet another) negative aspect of our insistence on motorists 'rights'. which we're in denial about. So we make up an evil 'other' to take the blame. When Tibs vanishes we can tell ourselves that the bad cat stealers got her rather than that she went under the speeding wheels of 2 tons of metal just like that glistening on the driveway....

BTW - stories of ethnic takeaways using dodgy ingredients are pretty racist to my mind. Do we have to keep repeating them?
 
wintermute said:
BTW - stories of ethnic takeaways using dodgy ingredients are pretty racist to my mind. Do we have to keep repeating them?

i agree any take-away could be doing it, including english, asian etc. i think this one should be laid to rest in the archive of FT towers.
 
wintermute said:
BTW - stories of ethnic takeaways using dodgy ingredients are pretty racist to my mind. Do we have to keep repeating them?

I agree, they are, but I suspect they only occur when 'ethnic' takeaways first appear in a 'new' area, and, as they become 'accepted', the stories die (in much the same way that racist jokes target the most recent 'incomers', often with the same jokes that were used for the previous arrivals)

As such, racist, but part of the process of integrating new cultures, and which hopefully doesn't last long.
 
Isn't it also just as racist to consider those ethnic minorities barbaric for eating cats and dogs?

In Denmark there was a program showing how cats are captured and skinned alive, and the fur then used to make different stuff under other names. For example mouse toys for the cats. I didn't see the program, I just read about it. To me the idea of anyone wanting to skin a cat alive seemed strange. If it was me I'd kill the thing first, then skin it. You don't risk claws and teeth all over. That made it seem supsicious to me. Like they tried to exaggerate it to make it appear much more cruel. I think you find that often in urban legends, that somebody apparently goes to a whole lot of trouble just to be extra cruel.
 
I have never forgotten the sight of a cat thrown into boiling water
alive at a specialist Chinese cat restaurant. It was featured on a
UK documentary some years ago, probably for Channel Four.

There are some horrid things online about the dogs beaten to death
for tenderising purposes in Korea.

I don't think we can be entirely proud about Western "painless"
slaughter but racists tend to find a more direct way to express their
opinions.

I found a curious and very unpleasant article in a historical journal
last week which told of animal slaughter in Lancashire during the
1920s. A metal ring set in a concrete floor was used to bring the
heads of the cattle down to the ground. Then the chief slaughterman
would attack the head with a pick-axe until he had a hole large enough
for his stick. This he would use to "scramble the brains" of the animal.
He regarded this as a tender mercy! :eek!!!!:
 
James, it was known as poleaxing and was proverbially famous for producing rapid unconciousness (" . . .he dropped like he was poleaxed"). The difficulty is that it was a very skilled job and training in those days was on the job. But remember it was in no-ones interest that more than one blow was used.

It is precisely the same method as used today today except that the Poleaxe has been replaced with the bolt gun (also called stun bolt). This is a lesser skill than poleaxing but can be ineffective in certain cases.
 
Xanatic said:
Isn't it also just as racist to consider those ethnic minorities barbaric for eating cats and dogs?

I am currently a (mature!) 3rd yr Business Studies student. Two of my classes were 'International Business' and 'Business Ethics'.

Don't know if I've learned much exam-wise (time will tell...) but it's been a bit of an eye-opener regarding 'standards' and how we think of them.... How we compare our 'civilised' society with others....

Like Burns said:

'I wish some power the gift would gie's
To see oorsel's as ithers see us'

(or words to that effect....)
 
Isn't it also just as racist to consider those ethnic minorities barbaric for eating cats and dogs?


In the UK at least, the ethnic eateries are not from cultures who eat dog and cat, so the stories are not just racist but ignorant (what a shock!).

I'd agree that there's a certain amount of hypocrisy involved in carnivores of whatever culture being grossed out by the animals other cultures choose to kill and eat. We've seen some pretty sickening examples of this in the media recently with regard to Korea. As a (smug) veggie, I'd just like to remind you all that pigs are actually smarter than dogs............

These stories remind me of the 60's and 70's, when people (yes this really happened!) used to complain about the smell of ethnic cooking from their neighbour's houses, when it was OK for the teachers at the grammar school I attended to tell racist jokes in class, and horrors like 'Love Thy Neighbor' and ' The Black & White Minstrel Show' were prime time viewing. And of course 'Paki-Bashing' was a major part of Yoof Culchur. Lets lay them to rest with the rest of the crap from that dismal, shameful era.
 
Apparently it is not cultural to eat dog in Korea - it started when the Americans occupied and there was nothing for the people to eat . The major objection is not the fact that dogs are being eaten but , as James said , the appalling cruelty that accompanies their slaughter .
 
cat stealing

in cambridge the legend is that they are stolen by the vivisectionists at huntington life siences. They where being used for evil cosmetic tests even though the city is surounded by country and as such it was probably wild animals doing the dirty. After all everyone knows that vivasectionists are evil...
 
I could not find
"DOG THIEVES"
Woman Slashed Protecting Pet

Apr 27, 2005 10:21 pm US/Eastern
(WBZ) A Revere woman landed in the hospital Wednesday night, protecting her dog.

63 year-old Helen Lovell walks her purebred pug every night on Walnut Avenue. Around 8 p.m. Wednesday night, a man with a knife approached Lovell and her dog, Benjamin. The armed man demanded she turn over her pet. But Lovell refused.

That's when the suspect slashed her in the hand and chest.

Lovell was taken to Widden Memorial Hospital in Everett and treated for superficial wounds. Now police are searching for the man who slashed her.

By the way, the dog, 10 month-old Benjamin, is just fine.
FROM HERE : http://cbs4boston.com/news/local_story_117222336.html
 
i think the cat fur thing may be true up to a point. My gran brought me back a big furry cat keyring from her holiday in Greece (you say you like cats and you get inundated with cat stuff). The fur felt way too real, it was also white and ginger. No one has given me any cat tat that had fur that felt quite so real.
 
Could be a rabbit skin one. you get white and ginger bunnies and they have fur very like a cats.
 
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