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Elenin enters our Solar System. Why no clear photos?

ralphyb

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The "comet"/planet/object Elenin enters our solar system in a weeks time.

By now if it was a comet we would be getting really good photos of it and its tail. But yet there have been precious few photos of Elenin from the Astronomical community.

Why?
 
Comet Elenin is a lump of dusty ice, probably 3-4 km in diameter. Even at its closest it will be more than 34 million kilometers away; it is smaller than Phobos, and so the nucleus would be really difficult to see.

Luckily it will develop a coma before that time, a gaseous and dusty envelope which can be hundreds of thousands of kilometers across. This coma is not very bright yet (here's some images of it) http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomi ... 06-J47.jpg
but hopefully it will get brighter over time.
 
ralphyb said:
The "comet"/planet/object Elenin enters our solar system in a weeks time.
It's probably been part of the solar system all the time, lurking in the outer reaches. But now its orbit is taking it into the inner solar system, where the planets are.

By now if it was a comet we would be getting really good photos of it and its tail. But yet there have been precious few photos of Elenin from the Astronomical community.

Why?
Because it's a "wimpy" comet!

"Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets.
...
This comet may not put on a great show. Just as certainly, it will not cause any disruptions here on Earth. But there is a cause to marvel," said Yeomans. "This intrepid little traveler will offer astronomers a chance to study a relatively young comet that came here from well beyond our solar system's planetary region. After a short while, it will be headed back out again, and we will not see or hear from Elenin for thousands of years. That's pretty cool."

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135

The real "Why?" question is why are so many nutjob websites picking on this insignificant little traveller as the cause of the end of world, in 2012 if not sooner! :twisted:
 
eburacum i am a bit confused here. You mention the size has between 2-4 km in size for Elenin. But the official figures put that figure for the nucleus of the comet alone. But the total diamater (or guesstimate) is a diameter of closer to 80,000 km. Hence my puzzlement. If it has that mass of closer to 80,000 km we should be getting really spectacular photos of Elenin now.

So again why the lack of photos of Elenin?
 
ralphyb said:
eburacum i am a bit confused here. You mention the size has between 2-4 km in size for Elenin. But the official figures put that figure for the nucleus of the comet alone. But the total diamater (or guesstimate) is a diameter of closer to 80,000 km. Hence my puzzlement. If it has that mass of closer to 80,000 km we should be getting really spectacular photos of Elenin now.

So again why the lack of photos of Elenin?
The nucleus is the hard material. The rest of the 80,000km is vaporized gasses.
 
is this another Nibiru-like story? The planet/comet that was never there?
 
It's enjoyable to read the conspiracy theories regarding Elenin on websites like Godlike Productions and ATS these days.

People are really freaking out!
 
Apparently NASA's SOHO satellite is being rotated so it can pick up Elenin, so expect good pics soon.

People are really freaking out!

It's all in the name:- ELEnin, Extinction Level Event ! :p
 
Bigfoot73 said:
Apparently NASA's SOHO satellite is being rotated so it can pick up Elenin, so expect good pics soon.

People are really freaking out!

It's all in the name:- ELEnin, Extinction Level Event ! :p

Are you one of the doomtards who believe in this?
 
Why no pictures?

I've seen highly classified pictures of it...there is grafitti to the tune of "suck on this, earthmen!" scrawled on it.

No. Really. :D


Zoltar
 
Bigfoot73 said:
I should have been more overtly sarcastic. No ! ;)

My sarcasm-radar wasn't working properly the other day. :D
 
ralphyb said:
I am hoping that there are some Astronomers on here. I am posting a video that is making the claim that the approach of Elenin is going to cause an eclipse of the sun for 3 days between Sep 26 to the 29th.

Can someone confirm this or is it just bunkum?
My gut reaction is to say Bunkum! (I'd need more 'evidence' than a YouTube clip for anything so remarkable!)

But, even if the graphics in this video are correct, we can say that any passage of 'Elenin' across the face of the Sun would last mere hours, not days. The clip shows that the perihelion of the orbit is close to that of Mercury. But because the comet comes from deep space, its velocity at this time will be far higher than that of Mercury.

But a transit of Mercury takes hours, not days:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of ... e_transits

The longest one I can see there is 7+ hours (and even that hasn't happened yet!)

As for Elenin's tail being 'larger than Earth', that applies to most comets - but the tails are very diffuse, and would make almost no measurable difference to the brightness of the sun, just as a thin and wispy cloud high in the Earth's atmosphere still lets the sun shine strongly through.

So I'm sticking with Bunkum - trust me, I'm an astronomer (of sorts)! ;)
 
This might help clarify things.
http://www.universetoday.com/86421/comet-elenin-just-passing-by/

Comet Elenin: Just Passing By

Universe Today. by Jason Major on June 9, 2011

It starts out innocently enough: a small speck against a field of background stars, barely noticeable in the image data. But… it’s a speck that wasn’t there before. Subsequent images confirm its existence – there’s something out there. Something bright, something large, and it’s moving through our solar system very quickly. The faint blur indicates that it’s a comet, an icy visitor from the outermost reaches of the solar system. And it’s headed straight toward Earth.

Exhaustive calculations are run and re-run. Computer simulations are executed. All possibilities are taken into consideration, and yet there’s no alternative to be found; our world will face a close encounter with a comet in mere months’ time. Phone calls are made, a flurry of electronic messages fly between computer terminals across the world, consultations are held with top experts in the field. We are unprepared… what can we do? What does this mean for civilization as we know it? What will this speeding icy bullet from outer space do to our planet?

The answer? Nothing.

Nothing at all. In fact, it probably won’t even be very interesting to look at – if you can even find it when it passes by.

(Sorry for the let-down.)

There’s been a lot of buzz in the past several months regarding Comet Elenin, a.k.a. C/2010 X1, which was discovered by Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin on December 10, 2010. Elenin spotted the comet using a telescope in New Mexico remotely from his location in Lyubertsy, Russia. At that time it was about 647 million kilometers (401 million miles) from Earth… in the time since it has closed the distance considerably, and is now around 270 million km away. Elenin is a long-period comet, which means it has a rather large orbit around the Sun… it comes in from a vast distance, swings around the Sun and heads back out to the depths of the solar system – a round trip lasting over 10,000 years. During its current trip it will pass by Earth on October 16, coming as close as 35 million km (22 million miles).

Yes, 22 million miles.

That’s pretty far.

Link: JPL: Elenin Orbit Diagram

Way too far for us to be affected by anything a comet has to offer. Especially a not-particularly-large comet like Elenin.

Some of the doomy-gloomy internet sites have been mentioning the size of Elenin as being 80,000 km across. This is a scary, exaggerated number that may be referring to the size of Elenin’s coma – a hazy cloud of icy particles that surrounds a much, much smaller nucleus. The coma can be extensive but is insubstantial; it’s akin to icy cigarette smoke. Less than that, in fact… a comet’s coma and tail are even more of a vacuum than can be reproduced in a lab on Earth! In reality most comets have a nucleus smaller than 10km…that’s less than a billionth the mass of Earth (and a far cry from 80,000 km.) We have no reason to think that Elenin is any larger than this – it’s most likely smaller.

Ok, but how about the gravitational and/or magnetic effect of a comet passing by Earth? That’s surely got to do something, right? To Earth’s crust, or the tides? For the answer to that, I will refer to Don Yeomans, a researcher at NASA’s Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL:

“Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets. And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt,” said Yeomans. “So you’ve got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers. It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean’s tides than comet Elenin ever will.”
“It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean’s tides than comet Elenin ever will.”

– Don Yeomans, NASA / JPL
And as far as the effect from Elenin’s magnetic field goes… well, there is no effect. Elenin, like all comets, doesn’t have a magnetic field. Not much else to say there.

But the claims surrounding Elenin have gone much further toward the absurd. That it’s going to encounter another object and change course to one that will cause it to impact Earth, or that it’s not a comet at all but actually a planet – Nibiru, perhaps? – and is on a collision course with our own. Or (and I particularly like this one) that alien spaceships are trailing Elenin in such a way as to remain undetected until it’s too late and then they’ll take over Earth, stealing our water and natural resources and turning us all into slaves and/or space munchies… or however the stories go. (Of course the government and NASA and Al Gore and Al Gore’s hamster are all in cahoots and are withholding this information from the rest of us. That’s a given.) These stories are all just that – stories – and have not a shred of science to them, other than a heaping dose of science fiction.
“We live in nervous times, and conspiracy theories and predictions of disaster are more popular than ever. I like to use the word cosmophobia for this growing fear of astronomical objects and phenomena, which periodically runs amuck on the Internet. Ironically, in pre-scientific times, comets were often thought to be harbingers of disaster, mostly because they seemed to arrive unpredictably – unlike the movements of the planets and stars, which could be tracked on a daily and yearly basis.”

– David Morrison, planetary astronomer and senior scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center
The bottom line is this: Comet C/2010 X1 Elenin is coming, and it will pass by Earth at an extremely safe distance – 100 times the distance from Earth to the Moon. It will not be changing direction between now and then, it will not exert any gravitational effect on Earth, its magnetic field is nonexistent and there are no Star Destroyers cruising in its wake. The biggest effect it will have on Earth is what we are able to learn about it as it passes – after all, it is a visitor from the far reaches of our solar system and we won’t be seeing it again for a very, very long time.

I’m sure we’ll have found something else to be worried about long before then.
“This intrepid little traveler will offer astronomers a chance to study a relatively young comet that came here from well beyond our solar system’s planetary region. After a short while, it will be headed back out again, and we will not see or hear from Elenin for thousands of years. That’s pretty cool.”

– Don Yeomans
For more information about Elenin, check out this JPL news release featuring Don Yeomans, and there’s a special public issue of Astronomy Beat, a newsletter from the Astronomical Society of the Pacific, that features David Morrison of NASA’s Ames Research Center discussing many of the misconceptions about Elenin.

An updated chart of Elenin’s orbit and statistics can be viewed here.
As Far as I can make out, the comet's coma, the gas and dust cloud it gives off when it nears the Sun and heats up, could be about 80,000km across, but the comet Elenin itself is probably only about 10km across, if that. If we're really lucky, we might just about see it. Against the Sun? not likely.
 
Playing about with the orbtal applet given here

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C ... 0#phys_par

shows that Elenin will pass through the ecliptic on about September 13th, so by September 27th (the middle of the 'eclipse') it will be above the ecliptic. This will further reduce the transit time. (Indeed, there may not even be a transit, but if there is I expect the many satellite observatories will try to pick it up.)
 
The bad news is that Comet Elenin will strike Earth on September 11, 2011, causing a conflagration which will quickly incinerate all life on Earth.

The good news is that my neighborhood supermarket will have marshmallows on special sale,
 
OldTimeRadio said:
The bad news is that Comet Elenin will strike Earth on September 11, 2011, causing a conflagration which will quickly incinerate all life on Earth.

The good news is that my neighborhood supermarket will have marshmallows on special sale,

Your local supermarket will probably be the last building left standing, by the sound of it. So...we all need to hide there until the conflagration passes... :)
 
It's being reported that Elenin is disintegrating. Of course this is just the Annunaki invasion fleet assuming attack formation. Well it might have been were it not for the fact that it never got much nearer than Venus and was going in the wrong direction anyway. :p
 
I blame Voyager. The handy map they provided on it was wrong!
 
Bigfoot73 said:
It's being reported that Elenin is disintegrating. Of course this is just the Annunaki invasion fleet assuming attack formation. Well it might have been were it not for the fact that it never got much nearer than Venus and was going in the wroIng direction anyway. :p

According to Richard C. Hoagland, it's a spaceship. :D

Elenin the spacecraft

Yepp, must be the Annunaki... ;)
 
I quote: The full dimensions of this extraordinary "geometric force structure" now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge -- more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon!

:rofl:
 
I think we're all forgetting Kohoutek! Um, like we'll all forget this one.
 
Oh God, I hope they bring back Elvis!



:lol:
 
And Hoagland must be right BECAUSE HE USES CAPITAL LETTERS... :D
 
gncxx said:
I think we're all forgetting Kohoutek!
No, I remember Kohoutek!

Er, actually, I have forgotten it... :oops: (Sneaks out to Google it...)
 
SameOldVardoger said:
Bigfoot73 said:
It's being reported that Elenin is disintegrating. Of course this is just the Annunaki invasion fleet assuming attack formation. Well it might have been were it not for the fact that it never got much nearer than Venus and was going in the wroIng direction anyway. :p

According to Richard C. Hoagland, it's a spaceship. :D

Elenin the spacecraft

Yepp, must be the Annunaki... ;)
And yet Hoagland ignores the much larger vertical thin line, which is clear evidence of the invasion fleet of the very thin people. ;)
 
The difference between Kohoutek and Elenin is that it was working professional astronomers who promised us that the former would appear from Earth as fully one-third the size of the full Moon.

Wow, would that have made a neat final chapter to C. Fort's LO!

And I even bought extra POPCORN....
 
kamalktk said:
And yet Hoagland ignores the much larger vertical thin line, which is clear evidence of the invasion fleet of the very thin people. ;)

But they'll not be thin any longer after the EAT us.
 
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