Fatima

[Kondoru]

its certainly an interesting article

whether I believe it or not, unsure

 

[rynner2]

The Thunderer's version:

Vatican denies hiding the full truth about the end of the world
Richard Owen in Rome

The Vatican tried yesterday to draw a line under a conspiracy theory that has dogged the Catholic Church for decades – that it was harbouring details of the predicted apocalypse.

The Pope’s second-in-command, Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, denied that the Church was suppressing a vision of the end of the world said to have been revealed by the Virgin Mary to three shepherd children on a hillside at Fatima in Portugal exactly 90 years ago.

The three “Secrets of Fatima” were written down by one of the children, Lucia Dos Santos – who became a Carmelite nun – and sent to the Vatican in a sealed envelope. Two of the “secrets” were made public, apparently predicting the inferno of 20th-century world war and totalitarianism and the eventual reconversion of Communist Russia to Christianity.

Pope John Paul II suggested that the third “secret” predicted the 1981 attempt on his life. He failed to satisfy conspiracy theorists however, with many accusing the Vatican of disclosing only part of the last Fatima secret.

Antonio Socci, a Catholic journalist and author of The Fourth Secret of Fatima, said that he had at first accepted John Paul’s explanation. His researches led him to believe however that the late Pope’s revelation had been “partial”.

He said that the undisclosed portion of the “secret” predicted a crisis of faith in the West and the collapse of the Church hierarchy in the face of a tidal wave of “apostasy and heresy”. Marco Tosatti, a Vatican watcher and author of The Prophecies of Fatima, also said that the Vatican was believed to be “hiding something” so as “not to alarm millions of the faithful”.

But yesterday, as tens of thousands gathered at Fatima, 130 kilometres (81 miles) north of Lisbon, to mark the 90th anniversary of the “visions”, Cardinal Bertone insisted that the idea that the secret predicted “catastrophic world events” or the collapse of the Christian Church were “pure fantasy”.

The cardinal has been fighting conspiracy theories involving the Church, such as The Da Vinci Code, which he dismissed as a “pack of lies”. In The Last Fatima Visionary: My Meetings with Sister Lucia, Cardinal Bertone says that before her death in 2005 at the age of 97 the nun confirmed John Paul’s account of the “third secret”.

“There is no fourth secret,” he declared. “Everything has been published and correctly interpreted.” He hinted that “antiChristians” were behind the conspiracy theories.

In a preface to Cardinal Bertone’s book, Pope Benedict XVI writes that publication of the “third secret” by his predecessor “unveiled the truth amid the confused framework of apocalyptic interpretations and speculation in the Church”.

Fatima visions

First secret

“Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze . . . ”

Second

“ . . . If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church”

Third

“A bishop dressed in white . . . falls to the ground, as if dead, after a volley of gunfire"

Sources: theotokos / catholicnewsagency

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 784780.ece

 

[Kondoru]

Can I got to bed now, please?

 

[AMPHIARAUS]

If the end date is being revealed by a mostly caucasian diety to a minor part of the earths population - who happen to believe in the popist version of the christian story then I am happy to be thrown into hell. when the shit hits the fan.

 

[dr_wu]

The EM projection theory that was linked to was interesting but was the tech available then?
I find Dr Vallee's 'ufo theory' interesting also. He compares the Fatima visions and events to typical contact cases and other 'ufo events' that have happened over the years. He gives his ideas on this in several of his books including Dimensions.

 

[plusk]

Hi Dr.

The articles referred to above make the interesting point that the technology to create the Fatima vision would be publicly available a few years after it happened. So the group who did it were on the cuting edge of new technology discoveries.
As for who they were - at that time in Portugal a liberal (freemason) government was fighting the Church for the intellect and souls of the people; the visions came at a very convenient time for the Church.

It all seems very similar to today's conspiracy theories about a "black" part of the American government having advanced technology (Area 51 etc.) and feeding disinformation from time to time to the "UFO faithful" to keep faith in UFOs alive. Almost like they were trying to create a new religion.

 

[MrRING]

The current Wikipedia article has a nice summation of the controversies surrounding the third secret:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_Fátima

Third Secret controversy

The Holy See withheld the Third Secret until 26 June 2000, despite Lúcia's declaration that it should be released to the public after 1960. Some sources, including Canon Barthas and Cardinal Ottaviani, said that Lúcia insisted to them it must be released by 1960, saying that, "by that time, it will be more clearly understood", and, "because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so."[8][9] When 1960 arrived, rather than releasing the Third Secret, the Vatican published an official press release stating that it was "most probable the Secret would remain, forever, under absolute seal."[10] After this announcement, immense speculation over the content of the secret materialized. According to the New York Times, speculation over the content of the secret ranged from "worldwide nuclear annihilation to deep rifts in the Roman Catholic Church that lead to rival papacies."[11]

The release of the text sparked immediate criticism, even outrage, from the Catholic Church in Portugal. Clergy as well as laypeople had been outraged that the text had been read in Rome and not at the Fatima shrine in Portugal where the reported events took place. Portuguese Catholics responded to the release of the text with disbelief, saying that if the words did not concern some kind of terrible catastrophe such as war, holocaust or apocalypse, there had been no reason for the Vatican to keep them secret. The London Times for June 29, 2000, reported that "The revelation on Monday that there were no doomsday predictions has provoked angry reactions from the Portuguese church over the decision to keep the prophecy secret for half a century." Portuguese newspapers reported that many people felt "dismayed, cheated, and betrayed" by the news.

Some sources claim that the four-page, handwritten text[12] of the Third Secret released by the Vatican in the year 2000 is not the real secret, or at least not the full secret.[13][14][15][16] These sources contend that the Third Secret is actually composed of two texts, where one of these texts is the published four-page vision, and the other is a single-page letter containing the words of the Virgin Mary that has been concealed.[13][14][15]

Critics such as Italian journalist Antonio Socci and American attorney Christopher Ferrara have written many articles disputing that the full Third Secret has been released. Their argument that there's proof of a second part to the secret include the following:

* Bishops working with Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI have commented that the text was written on one sheet of paper rather than four sheets;
* Lucia stated that she wrote the message in the form of a signed letter to the Bishop of Leiria;
* Lucia's text contains words attributed to the Blessed Virgin Mary;
* The full secret contains information about the Apocalypse, a great apostasy, and Satanic infiltration of the Catholic Church.

[edit] Written on one sheet of paper

The text of the Third Secret released by the Vatican is handwritten on four sheets of paper.[12] Multiple clerics claiming familiarity with the authentic text have stated that the Third Secret was written on a single sheet of paper rather than four sheets.[17] For example, Father Joaquin Alonso, official Fatima archivist for sixteen years, reports in his book that, "Lucy tells us that she wrote it on a sheet of paper. Cardinal Ottaviani, who has read it, tells us the same thing: 'She wrote it on a sheet of paper' ...".[18] In addition, Bishop Venancio, who was entrusted to transport the envelope containing the Third Secret to a Vatican representative after Lucy wrote it down, is reported to have held the envelope up to a light and noted that the Third Secret was "written on a small sheet of paper." [19][20] Bishop Venancio also measured the dimensions of the paper, the size of its margins, and estimated there to be 20-25 lines of text.[21] Also, Father Malachi Martin stated that he was shown the text of the Third Secret in February 1960.[22] On a syndicated radio broadcast, Fr. Martin indicated that the Third Secret was written on "one sheet of paper."[22] In a taped interview, Fr. Charles Fiore quoted Fr. Malachi Martin as saying the following regarding the text of the Third Secret: "I cooled my heels in the corridor outside the Holy Father's apartments, while my boss, Cardinal Bea, was inside debating with the Holy Father, and with a group of other bishops and priests, and two young Portuguese seminarians, who translated the letter, a single page, written in Portuguese, for all those in the room."[23]
[edit] Written in the form of a letter

Another reason why critics argue the full Third Secret has not been released is because of documented evidence that the Third Secret was written in the form of a signed letter to the Bishop of Leiria. The text of the Third Secret released by the Vatican is not written in the form of a letter.[12] Lucia was interviewed by Father Jongen on 3 February 1946.[9][24] When Fr. Jongen asked Lucia when the time would arrive for the Third Secret, Lucia responded, "I communicated the third part in a letter to the Bishop of Leiria." Also, Canon Galamba, an advisor to the Bishop of Leiria, is quoted as saying, "When the bishop refused to open the letter, Lucy made him promise that it would definitely be opened and read to the world either at her death or in 1960, whichever came first."[9][25] Also, the Vatican press release from 1960 announcing that the Third Secret would probably never be revealed was written with the following words: "... it is most likely that the letter will never be opened, in which Sister Lucy wrote down the words which Our Lady confided as a secret to the three shepherds of the Cova da Iria."[26]
[edit] Contains words attributed to the Blessed Virgin Mary

The text of the Third Secret released by the Vatican contains no words attributed to the Blessed Virgin Mary.[12] According to the 1960 Vatican press release on the Third Secret cited above, "Sister Lucy wrote down the words which Our Lady confided as a secret ...".[26] Some sources assert that the Third Secret most likely begins with the words, "In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved etc", words which Lucia included in her Fourth Memoir, but which are included only as a footnote to the text released by the Vatican.[27] In addition, evidence shows that Fr. Joseph Schweigl was sent by Pope Pius XII to interrogate Lucia about the Third Secret on 2 September 1952.[28][29] The day after the interview, Fr. Schweigl is reported to have stated the following: "I cannot reveal anything of what I learned at Fatima concerning the Third Secret, but I can say that it has two parts: one concerns the Pope; the other logically (although I must say nothing) would have to be the continuation of the words: 'In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved.' "[28][29][30]
[edit] Contains information about the Apocalypse, apostasy, Satanic infiltration of the Church

According to Cardinal Ratzinger in the commentary accompanying the text[12] of the Third Secret released by the Vatican, "Those who expected exciting apocalyptic revelations about the end of the world or the future course of history are bound to be disappointed. Fatima does not satisfy our curiosity in this way ...".[12] Some critics see this as contradicting a considerable amount of evidence in the record, including previous testimony by Cardinal Ratzinger himself.[15][31][32] In an interview published in the 11 November 1984 edition of Jesus Magazine, Cardinal Ratzinger was asked whether he had read the text of the Third Secret and why it had not been revealed.[33][34] Ratzinger acknowledged that he had read the Third Secret, and stated in part that the Third Secret involves the "importance of the novissimi", and "dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian and therefore (the life) of the world." Ratzinger also commented that, "If it is not made public - at least for the time being - it is in order to prevent religious prophecy from being mistaken for a quest for the sensational."[34] Also, a news article quoted former Philippine ambassador to the Vatican, Howard Dee, as saying that Cardinal Ratzinger had personally confirmed to him that the messages of Akita and Fatima are "essentially the same."[35] The Akita prophecy, in part, contains the following: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres … churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."[36][37]

Father Charles Fiore, in a taped interview, made the following remarks with regard to Cardinal Ratzinger's various statements about the Third Secret: "We have two different Cardinal Ratzingers; we have two different messages. But Malachi Martin was consistent all the way through; he believed that the Third Secret of Fatima had to do [...] with the internal problems of the Catholic Church."[23] On a syndicated radio broadcast, Father Malachi Martin was asked the following question by a caller: "I had a Jesuit priest tell me more of the Third Secret of Fatima years ago, in Perth. He said, among other things, the last pope would be under control of Satan... Any comment on that?" Fr. Martin responded, "Yes, it sounds as if they were reading, or being told, the text of the Third Secret. But it's sufficiently vague to make one hesitate— it sounds like it."[22] In a taped interview with Bernard Janzen, Fr. Martin was asked the following question: "Who are the people who are working so hard to suppress Fatima?" Fr. Martin responded, "A bunch, a whole bunch, of Catholic prelates in Rome, who belong to Satan. They're servants of Satan. And the servants of Satan outside the Church, in various organizations; they want to destroy the Catholicism of the Church, and keep it as a stabilizing factor in human affairs. It's an alliance. A dirty alliance, a filthy alliance, but a very good alliance."[38] In the same interview, Fr. Martin also said with respect to Lucia that, "They've (The Vatican) published forged letters in her name; they've made her say things she didn't want to say. They put statements on her lips she never made."

On 13 May 2000, Cardinal Sodano announced that the Third Secret would be released, during which he implied the secret was about the persecution of Christians in the 20th century that culminated in the failed assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II on 13 May 1981.[39] However, other theologians believe that the secret concerns an apostasy of cardinals, bishops and priests. For instance, Cardinal Ciappi, personal theologian to Pope John Paul II, is quoted by sources as saying, "In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."[40] In addition, on a syndicated radio broadcast, Fr. Malachi Martin stated that the Third Secret "doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress, a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics, and laity in the Catholic Church ...".[41]

In a 1980 interview for the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens published in October 1981, John Paul II was asked explicitly to speak about the third secret. He said: "Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication. On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that 'to know' implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one's curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted." He held up his rosary and stated "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray and ask for nothing else. Put everything in the hands of the Mother of God." Asked what would happen in the Church, he said: "We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not-too-distant future; trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives, and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because it is only in this way that the Church can be effectively renewed. How many times, indeed, has the renewal of the Church been effected in blood? This time, again, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong, we must prepare ourselves, we must entrust ourselves to Christ and to His holy Mother, and we must be attentive, very attentive, to the prayer of the Rosary."[42]

Lucia herself is reported to have explicitly stated that the Third Secret contains Apocalyptic content. According to one source, when Lucia was asked about the Third Secret, she said it was "in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse", and at one point she had even specified Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes Apocalypse 12:4, the chapter and verse cited by Pope John Paul II in his homily in Fatima on 13 May 2000.[43]
[edit] Cardinal Bertone's response to criticism

The Vatican has maintained its position that the full text of the Third Secret was published in June 2000. A report from the Zenit Daily Dispatch dated 20 December 2001, based on a Vatican press release, claimed that Lucia told then Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, in an interview conducted the previous month, that the secret has been completely revealed and published, and that no secrets remain.[44] Bertone, along with Cardinal Ratzinger, co-authored The Message of Fatima,[12] the document published in June 2000 by the Vatican that contains a scanned copy of the original text of the Third Secret.
Cardinal Bertone.

Bertone, who was elevated to cardinal in 2003 and currently holds the position of Vatican Secretary of State, wrote a book titled, The Last Secret of Fatima, published first in Italian under a different title in 2007, and then subsequently in English.[45] The book contains a transcribed interview between journalist Giuseppe De Carli and Bertone in which Bertone responds to various criticisms and accusations regarding the content and disclosure of the Third Secret. At one point in the interview, De Carli comments on an unsourced accusation that the Vatican is concealing a one-page text of the Third Secret which predicts a great apostasy where Rome will "lose the faith and become the throne of the Antichrist." Bertone responds as follows:

That's absolutely crazy. Look, are you claiming that the prophecy of Fatima is about the apostasy of the Church of Rome? That Fatima is a prediction of Rome's transformation into the throne of the Antichrist? Despite the love Our Lady has for the Pope and the Popes for Our Lady? Anyone can write books based on conspiracy theories, on biased interpretations. Anybody can take sentences out of context and present them as clues to some supposed plot to avoid divulging the truth and to transmit it in a code that only the initiates can understand. No, the whole theory you allude to is a fabrication. And this supposedly factual account is actually the sort of device the Masons used to invent to discredit the Church. I'm surprised that journalists and writers who claim to be Catholic let themselves be taken in.[46]

At another point in the interview, De Carli mentions that Cardinal Ottaviani had once stated that the Third Secret was written on a single sheet of paper. He also mentions that one of Lucia's memoirs contains the words, "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc", words which some believe introduce the real Third Secret. After the interviewer interjects his own opinion and calls these observations "feeble bits of evidence that neither prove nor disprove anything", he asks Cardinal Bertone about the possibility of there being two texts, where the "first document" contains the words of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the other contains the description of the vision published by the Vatican. Bertone answers in part, "There is no first document. There never was any such text in the archives of the Holy Office." Bertone also says, "So I'm not sure what Cardinal Ottaviani was talking about." Bertone also states that, "We have the word, better, the official confirmation of Sister Lucia: 'Is this the Third Secret, and is this the only text of it?' 'Yes, this is the Third Secret, and I never wrote any other'."[47]

Later on in the interview, Bertone again addresses the question as to whether a text exists with words attributed to the Blessed Virgin that was censored: "The part of the text where the Virgin speaks in the first person wasn't censored, for the simple reason that it never existed. ...I'm basing my statement on Sister Lucia's own direct confirmation that the Third Secret is none other than the text that was published in the year 2000."[48]
[edit] Continuing criticism and controversy

Cardinal Bertone has been accused of lying about the content of the Third Secret in his book, The Last Secret of Fatima,[45] and also in televised appearances.[14][49] After Bertone's book was published, Italian journalist Antonio Socci published an article titled Dear Cardinal Bertone: Who—between you and me—is Deliberately Lying?[49] Catholic attorney Christopher Ferrara wrote an entire book called The Secret Still Hidden (content available online) aimed at exposing and debunking the claims of Cardinal Bertone with respect to Fatima.[14] The book contains an appendix entitled 101 Grounds for Doubting Cardinal Bertone's Account. For example, Ferrara asserts that Bertone has given at least five different versions of Lucia's alleged acceptance of the interpretation of the vision published by the Vatican in 2000.[50]

An article published in Catholic World News on 27 September 2007 reports that Italian journalists Antonio Socci and Solideo Paolini "produced a tape recording in which Archbishop Loris Capovilla, who once served as private secretary to Pope John XXIII, revealed that there were two texts of the Third Secret."[51] An article dated just two weeks earlier quotes Archbishop Capovilla as saying, "There are not two truths from Fatima and nor is there any fourth secret. The text which I read in 1959 is the same that was distributed by the Vatican." Capovilla is also quoted as saying, "I have had enough of these conspiracy theories. It just isn't true. I read it, I presented it to the Pope and we destroyed the envelope."[52]
[edit] Pope John Paul I

The Catholic Counter-Reformation group, founded by theologian Abbé George de Nantes, takes the position that the released text is the complete Third Secret, but refers to Pope John Paul I rather than John Paul II, pointing out that the latter, after all, did not die when he was attacked, while the bishop in the Third Secret did.[53] John Paul I had met Lucia Santos while he was Patriarch of Venice, and was deeply moved by the experience. In a letter to a colleague after his election, he vowed to perform the Consecration of Russia which Lucia said Mary had asked for.[54]

 

[Tribble]

Catholic Church officials in Portugal said Monday they have assembled more than 15,000 pages of testimony and documentation to support the proposed beatification of Sister Lucia, one of three shepherd children who said the Virgin Mary appeared to them in the town of Fatima in 1917. The officials said the case for Sister Lucia's beatification—the first step toward canonization as a saint—will be sent to the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints, in line with church procedure. Her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto, who also said they witnessed the apparitions, died at ages 9 and 11 of pneumonia during the 1918 influenza pandemic. They were beatified in 2000, reports the AP.

The documentation was presented at a church ceremony in the convent in Coimbra, 120 miles north of Lisbon, where Sister Lucia lived from 1948 until her death at age 97 in 2005. In her obituary, the New York Times reported that Lucia said only she heard what Mary told the children. The third of the "three secrets" of Fatima, said to relate to the attempted assassination of John Paul II in 1981, was revealed in 2000. The Catholic bishop of Coimbra, Virgilio Antunes, said the documentation on Sister Lucia took eight years to compile and includes information from 11,000 letters she wrote as well as some 61 witness statements. Pope Francis is to visit Fatima on May 12-13 for the pilgrimage marking their centenary. He will be the fourth pontiff to visit the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima.

http://www.newser.com/story/238289/for-child-at-heart-of-1917-fatima-apparitions-beatification.html

 

[Tribble]

Wandering through residential areas of São Miguel in the Azores, one notices loads of houses bear tiled (azulejo) artworks depicting religious scenes, e.g. saints and the Holy Family (they also use tiles for street signs and most of Ponta Delgada's pavements are patterned mosaics. Lovely). We saw quite a few depictions of the Lady of Fátima.

 

[Tribble]

Pope Francis is to make two shepherd children saints at the Fatima shrine complex in Portugal on Saturday.

It is 100 years since the two - and a third child - reported seeing the Virgin Mary while tending sheep. The third is also on the way to sainthood.

Two of the children - Jacinta and Francisco Marto - are to be canonised for the miracles attributed to them. They died in the 1918-1919 European influenza pandemic.

The so-called three secrets of Fatima were written down by their cousin, Lucia dos Santos, who died in 2005 aged 97. The beatification process for her began in 2008.

The Church attaches great value to their visions, as Mary is believed to have revealed truths to help mankind. The Church says the first vision came on 13 May 1917.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39904846

 

[ramonmercado]

Pope Francis is to make two shepherd children saints at the Fatima shrine complex in Portugal on Saturday.

It is 100 years since the two - and a third child - reported seeing the Virgin Mary while tending sheep. The third is also on the way to sainthood.

Two of the children - Jacinta and Francisco Marto - are to be canonised for the miracles attributed to them. They died in the 1918-1919 European influenza pandemic.

The so-called three secrets of Fatima were written down by their cousin, Lucia dos Santos, who died in 2005 aged 97. The beatification process for her began in 2008.

The Church attaches great value to their visions, as Mary is believed to have revealed truths to help mankind. The Church says the first vision came on 13 May 1917.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39904846

Really Francis, I thought better of you.

 

[ramonmercado]

 

[McAvennie]

Anybody been?

In Lisbon this week for other celebrations but spent a lot of time in the city in the past so done all the main sights and wondered whether Fatima was worth a day trip.

Purely a Fortean pilgrimage, I've no religious duty to do - that side interests me only on history grounds.

 

[ramonmercado]

They should open a pork curing plant there. Great to be able to get sausages in a Cured at Fatima wrapper.

 

[ramonmercado]

The Devil is in the detail.

L. A. Marzulli Claims "Groundbreaking" New Documentary Has "Smoking Gun" Proving Fatima Apparition Came from Satan
4/5/2018

Yesterday, Nephilim theorist L. A. Marzulli announced that he had discovered the smoking gun proving that the apparition of the Virgin Mary at Fatima in 1917 was actually the work of Satan as part of a carefully orchestrated plot involving the Catholic Church, UFOs, and demons. The announcement coincides with the beginning of his publicity campaign for Fatima 2: Electric Boogaloo, er, Fatima 2: Strange Phenomenon, a new documentary he is selling to evangelical Christians.

I don’t really have the energy to give this story a massive and suggestive buildup before undercutting the argument. Suffice it to say that in May 1917 three Portuguese children claimed to see a female figure that they called the Lady of the Rosary, who imparted to them supposed secrets. Five months later, thousands gathered to see a miracle performed by the Lady. Many, but not all, of those gathered claimed to have seen something happen to the sun, though few agreed as to what they saw. Marzulli goes back to that first apparition on May 13, 1917 and believes he can prove Satan was behind it.

Although Marzulli calls his film “groundbreaking” and only hints in a roundabout way that this information came from elsewhere, it is not original to him, nor is it new. He is adapting claims made by Joaquim Fernandes and Fina D'Armada in their book Celestial Secrets, which is an ancient astronaut text (it was endorsed by Jim Marrs, who wrote the foreword) claiming Fatima as a UFO event. As always, there is less than meets the eye. Let’s look at a couple of the claims. ...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/l...gun-proving-fatima-apparition-came-from-satan

 

[uair01]

The Vatican disclosure and annotated commentary was, in a sense, intended as the final word on Fatima. Still, it left many people unconvinced and disappointed. Skeptics immediately observed that the third secret and the Vatican interpretation differed on a key point: In the Fatima vision, the pope was killed. John Paul II survived his shooting, which was carried out by a lone gunman, not “a group of soldiers.”
When Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who helped write the Vatican commentary, was asked about the discrepancies at a Vatican press conference, he seemed to distance himself from John Paul II’s mystical reading of Fatima. “There does not exist an official definition or official interpretation of this vision on the part of the church,” he said. Ratzinger observed that the language of the third secret was symbolic and therefore open to interpretation, with a “margin of error.” In the church’s tradition, he explained, prophecy is not like a “film preview” of an exact sequence of events, but an offering of potentially helpful signs. He added that while the Fatima message could be useful to some, belief in such revelations was not obligatory: “No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled.”
Cardinal Ratzinger’s comments incensed Fatima devotees, for it was as if the Vatican was deliberately deflating the most prophetic Marian apparition in history. Many suspected the Vatican had not told the whole story. Where were the end-of-the-world scenarios? Where was the divine punishment for a world gone wrong? And if the third secret did not warn of the apocalypse or a global catastrophe like nuclear holocaust, why had the Vatican kept it secret for so long?
The coauthor of the Vatican commentary was Cardinal Ratzinger’s assistant, then-Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, who early in 2000 had made a confidential visit to Lucia dos Santos at her Carmelite convent in Portugal. Bertone reported that Lucia had approved the Vatican’s interpretation of the secret and confirmed that the text, as published, was complete. That prompted critics to speculate that Bertone himself was the architect of a plot to dilute the real Fatima message, perhaps because—as some commentators had long believed, based on Lucia’s other writings—it prophesied a terrible crisis within the Catholic Church, a time when church leadership would lose the true faith and the Antichrist would sit on the throne of Peter. In a book-length interview in 2007, Cardinal Bertone dismissed such accusations as “absolutely crazy.”
But the skeptics, many of them Catholic traditionalists, have kept up their criticism, and to this day some claim that the Vatican continues to hide a “fourth secret” of Fatima.

From:
The Vatican Prophecies: Investigating Supernatural Signs, Apparitions, and Miracles in the Modern Age
John Thavis
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...s?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=tOYqLZzHnr&rank=1